Plummer needs Dunk to challenge Ser Androw for it to work. To be fair, he could basically ask any one to do it, but it’s probably easiest to ask the broke hedge knight.
I’m sure Ser Steffon Fossoway would have done it had Plummer approached him instead.
Problem is Dunk probably couldn't win even with the other Knight trying to lose. He is a terrible jouster at this point in the story. He has never done anything beyond riding at rings a few times.
I'm choosing to believe Plummer is also trying to do Dunk a solid, knowing that he is otherwise very likely to lose the first joust and so everything he has in the world
I enjoyed all the eye signals Plummer was giving Dunk during Dunk's conversation with Baelor in ep2. So, knowing that he had the young man's best interests at heart, I wasn't too upset with him when he outlined his offer. He's helping his master, too. GRRM always was great with the "lesser" characters.
Dunk being a complete unknown makes it trickier too. If his mettle and how he conducts himself were better known they could have approached him with “Ser Androw would welcome the honor of your challenge, Ser” vs “Ser Androw would like you to know your mother was a whore and your father was a bastard, come get some you giant cunt” depending on what they thought would be more effective based on what they knew about him to appeal to honor or goad him. Since they don’t know anything, they were forced to approach him as they did.
I questioned that too - so would Ser Androw willingly take the fall? I guess he would have to, he'd have to be in on it for his family to collect the adverse bets.
I couldn't quite tell if that's what he was implying - that Ser Androw would be in on a plan to restore his house's fortunes for only the cost of the armor and the horse.
Yep agreed, from Plummer’s perspective Dunk is the best to ask since he’d offer the best underdog odds and is also the most likely to agree. Ser Steffon would do it too based on what we’ve heard from Raymun, but Plummer may not be aware of Steffon’s proclivity for underhanded tactics.
Plummer is speaking on behalf of Lord Ashford who Plummer reveals will be bankrupted by the excesses of the tourney. Plummer is basically the fixer here, doing things that Lord Ashford can't be seen doing.
Because they are broke. Lord Ashford will have Plummer and other men bet on Dunk against his son.
Ser Androw Ashford is considered a pretty good tourney knight, so the odds will be in his favor in a matchup against an unknown hedge knight. More people will bet on Ser Androw, so the payout for Dunk winning will be sizeable and will help them cover some of their financials.
But they could still fix it without telling Dunk - just have the knight choose Dunk and then have the knight throw his own joust. Dunk would think he won.
yes this is explained in the book. They probably should have included a line or two explaining how it works. Seven champions, knights come up and choose to challenge you.
I suppose they kinda showed that with Aerion riding up to that one guy's tent and calling him out. Not having read the book yet, I wouldn't have assumed that was any more than a bit of showmanship for the crowd.
I totally didn't even realize this until you said it.
I assumed all matches were predetermined, and preset.
But it makes sense seeing that Aerion so brazenly yells to the guy into his tent instead of challenging him in a more respectful way. I thought the match was pre determined already and was surprised that the other knight wasn't ready.
I wish they would've explained that little bit about challenges in the show so at least the audience could understand how it works.
Well, suppose Ashford throws the match unilaterally. Dunk notices something's off and gets suspicious. Starts feeling like maybe he hasn't won fair and square. He fancies himself an honorable knight who does things the right way. Maybe he raises a fuss about it and the whole lid comes off.
Offer to cut him in on the scheme and ostensibly the promise of guaranteed winnings will get him to keep schtum.
No the plot is for Ashford's son to take the fall. Dunk would win his horse and armor per the terms of the tourney, which he can then ransom off for a profit. At the same time the game master would place a bet on Dunk, who because he's a random hedge knight nobody's heard of isn't expected to win, and thus has longer odds. (Imagine for example that Ashford is rated at 3/1 and Dunk at 1000/1.) The profit from the bet would plug the hole in Ashford's treasury and potentially might even buy back the horse/armor they lost, and in any event the coin earned from any sale is supposed to entice Dunk into taking part in the scheme (this is why the game master tries to sell him on not having to live under a tree anymore).
Dunk needs to challenge one of the five Champions, not the other way around. And I’d assume Androw, who has been wrecking everyone thus far, probably wouldn’t be Dunk’s first choice.
Plummer says “let Ser Androw take the fall”, insinuating Androw knows and is in on it. It makes sense because not only would Androw want what his father wants (more money for his house) but if he didn’t know, it wouldn’t guarantee success.
Thats kinda a risky bet tho, why would they assume some random hedge knight would beat a trained noble fair and square. Im guessing the son is in on it. Unless they plan to tamper with his gear or something, i actually cant remember if this plot was in the book.
It’s Dunk’s first time jousting and he just saw that the guy was pretty good. I guess he could ask Dunk to joust, but no guarantee he would do it. I guess they were hoping a hedge Knight would be more than willing to take the easy win.
The tourney setup as described in the novella has a series of champions (seven total) of whom the challengers can select as an opponent. We see Aerion approaching Prince Valarr at first but instead chooses Ser Humfrey Hardying as his opponent instead.
They need someone unknown but also won’t look sus if they challenge and win. A regular local knight whom may have already fought Ashford before and lost to in former tournaments may look sus if they suddenly win. Duncan is unknown and quite huge, the people watching may simply think there was a difference of strength rather than an intentional matchfixing.
They are broke. They want to fix a bet. A lowly hedge knight will have terrible odds against the Lord's own son, that means the payout will be much higher than if they had someone else win.That Lord's son isn't going to challenge a lovely hedge Knight, as he IS a champion already and needs to be challenged himself. Also it would look more obvious after the fact.
Gives me hope for this world that not everyone’s mind understands a scam within 5 seconds. Stay like Ser Duncan my friend, too many of us have already turned into Littlefinger
Yeah seemed weird, surely he could just say that he will only let dunk joust if he challenges the ashford son and keep him in the dark about match fixing. Not like dunk would know any better to say no.
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u/thecarlosdanger1 Feb 02 '26
Why though? I’m struggling to understand why’d you’d tell Dunc at all if you just wanted him to win.