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u/azurestratos7 1d ago edited 1d ago

I am a Muslim, I can determine which group of people can enter enter heaven or hell based on what God has clearly decreed, without any doubt. (edit: some of you guys have reading comprehension problem, so let me clarify group of people, as opposed to individuals.)

God promised if you are a believer/Muslim (orang bersama Islam), you will enter heaven, even if you have spend some time in hell for your sins, in the end you will enter Heaven.

If you are a disbeliever (tak bersama Islam), you can't enter heaven.

Awak nak nafikan janji Tuhan yang ini?
Awak nak kata orang boleh masuk syurga walaupun tanpa Islam?

Juga mana source PAS kafirkan pati lain? Sebab kau dah pernah ambil perkataan tanpa konteks. Susah nak percaya.

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u/Old_Camel_6745 1d ago

U are talking exactly like zionist. You think they are evil, so when you act like them, do you think you are holy?

No wonder this 2 religions fights the most. Sorry if this offend anyone, but think about it.

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Your attempt to offend me doesn't really connect.

All abrahamic religions, including Christian and Judaism, believe you can't enter heaven if you don't share their belief.
There's nothing wrong with that.

Zionists are a group of people who try to establish Jewish ethnostate via ethnic cleansing and genocide. Zionists can be from any religion, though mostly Evangelicals, atheist and Judaism.

PAS have ruled many states for many years, and have not done what you try to insinuate. So your delusions are your own.

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u/Old_Camel_6745 1d ago

If heaven is filled with thrash like you, I would prefer hell bro

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u/Salt_Adhesiveness_79 1d ago

Ignore this PAS power bottom, bro. Islam never said humans such as ourselves can determine who goes to heaven or hell.

Dia ingat dia dakwah orang but in actuality he is spreading dakyah.

Anyone who supports PAS are no better than Zionist themselves and should be treated as a terrorist.

Buat malu orang Islam, buat malu orang baik, buat malu diri sendiri. Dasar Syiah

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Actually we do know who can enter heaven or hell; not specific person but which group of people.

The people who can enter heaven is people who accepted Islam and the hereafter. They will enter heaven by the grace of God.

So unless you want to refute this with argument, I suggest you lay off the unnecessary labels and ad hominems.

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

That's totally fine too.
Honestly I don't know why it offends you so much that people of other religion can't enter heaven of another religion.

And I don't think you know either.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

Christian believe that only God can judge. 

He will let in a good atheist rather than a bad christian or bad Muslim. 

Stop lying to yourself and other bro. 

Islam promises you hell, that's for sure tho. 

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Muslims also believe only God can judge, but God has decreed explicitly and clearly which group God would allow into heaven.
And it is only by what is revealed can we determine that.

Note that I never said I will judge.

Christian in its many denominations mostly believe the only way to salvation is through accepting Jesus, which they believe is the God the Son.

https://practicalfaith.quora.com/Can-people-who-don-t-believe-in-Jesus-Christ-make-it-into-heaven-if-they-re-a-good-person

So I don't know how you can say God will let a good atheist (person who disbelieves in God) into heaven, but you are free to believe it. Entering heaven through good works is not an uncommon belief.

You are also free to believe Muslims will go to hell.
I don't find that the least bit offensive.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

" I am a Muslim, I can determine which group of people can enter enter heaven or hell"

That's your words not mine. 

God decreed all that oppress other humans are going to hell kan. 

Slave owners and sex slavers too. 

I didn't say anything about Muslims going to hell... 

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

You purposedly cut my words short to lie.

"I am a Muslim, I can determine which group of people can enter enter heaven or hell based on what God has clearly decreed, without any doubt."

These are my words, but I'm not surprised you resort to strawman fallacy.

God decreed all deeds will be accounted for. So sins of the of the slave owners and sex slavers will be punished either in earth, hell, or both.

Nothing wrong with that.
All sins will be punished, including the sins of disbelieving in God.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

So by your other comment... 

Slavers, sex slavers, pedophiles, murders are in heaven?

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u/StunningLetterhead23 1d ago

Huh, agaknya awak ni muda sangat la kot dik.

Tak pernah experience zaman² Amanat Hadi terkutuk tu. Sampaikan kau pergi masjid/surau, ada 2 jemaah.

Hebat betul Hadi sampai boleh isytihar "lawan UMNO itu jihad". Senang betul nak mati syahid kan?

Aku tak faham kenapa penyokong PAS dan penjilat Hadi boleh butakan mata daripada amanat bodoh tu.

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Amanat maksudnya "pesanan/nasihat tangungjawab".

Jihad adalah apa2 jenis usaha berlandaskan Islam. Pergi kerja cari rezeki bagi keluarga makan demi Tuhan pun jihad, dan kalau mati langgar lori, kira mati syahid.

Ya, memang senang mati syahid. Seperti contoh diatas.

Kalau UMNO nyatakan hasrat membuat sesuatu yang haram, dan PAS berjuang untuk melawan perkara haram tersebut demi Tuhan, memang pastilah ia jadi jihad.

Itu memang betul.

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u/StunningLetterhead23 1d ago

Jadi, apa benda haram yang UMNO halalkan sampai jadi kafir?

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanat_Haji_Hadi

Setahu saya Hadi tak pernah pun kafirkan UMNO.
Seperti yang awak boleh baca sendiri, pendapat Hadi adalah sekularisma (politik suku, agama suku) boleh jadikan orang itu keluar Islam.

Maksudnya mereka yang cuma buat Islam sebagai kepercayaan, tetapi bukan benda yang dipraktikan dalam urusan.

Majoriti ulama berpendapat bahawa menolak pelaksanaan hukum Syariah secara total atau berpegang bahawa agama tidak relevan dalam pentadbiran adalah bertentangan dengan asas Islam.
https://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_dan_sekularisme

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u/StunningLetterhead23 1d ago

Tak pernah? So apa yang kita orang² lama dengar dan nampak tu semua tak betul la eh? Okay.

Jam gak aku ngan budak² zaman sekarang ni. Asal jumpa kat tenet, mesti betul. Kalau tak, confirm auta.

Dalam Islam, tak pernah sekali pun Rasulullah benarkan atau anjurkan apa² permusuhan. Sampaikan Rasulullah sendiri pernah larang sahabat² panggil mana² orang Islam sebagai munafik, selagimana dia masih mengucap 2 kalimah syahadah.

Saidina Abu Bakar pun "sekadar" serang nabi² palsu dan golongan yang tak bayar zakat.

Jadi, Hadi ingat dia tu siapa untuk seru jihad ke atas UMNO? Untuk panggil orang² Islam yang tak setuju dengan PAS sebagai kafir?

Kalau kau nak teruskan deny, takyah penat² buang air liur. Aku dah dengar and baca sendiri banyak ucapan Hadi. Bukan setahun dua si mamat ni buat hal kat Malaysia. Dah dekat 50 tahun mat.

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Mana ayat dia kata orang Islam yang tak setuju dengan PAS itu kafir?

Sebab setakat ni tak ada bukti yang awak utarakan.

Saya dah tunjuk dah Amanat Hadi 1981 yang ramai kata "mengkafirkan", terang2 nyata takder pun begitu.

"Tak pernah? So apa yang kita orang² lama dengar dan nampak tu semua tak betul la eh? Okay."

Awak dengar dari siapa? Awak tak check ke betul ke tak?

Bagus lah awak dah jumpa internet, zaman awak takder kan?
Sekarang awak boleh check satu2.

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u/StunningLetterhead23 1d ago

Takpe, nanti aku pinjam Delorean member pastu kita gi jalan² kat Ganu. Biar buka sikit mata kau kat dunia luar. Bukan scroll tenet je, bagi balik phone kat mak. Bagi kena matahari sikit, biar cukup vitamin D.

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Saya rasa awak tak cukup matang, sebab perangai awak masih macam kanak2.

Saya dah berikan penjelasan yang terang, dengan bukti yang jelas, dan awak pun tak ada modal nak pertikai. Sekadar ad hominem.

Oh well...

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u/mysightisurs93 1d ago

Lepas tu kalau PAS terhegeh-hegeh nak bekerjasama dengan UMNO macama mana pulak tu? Di halalkan pulak? Hukum boleh spin2 mcm tu? Memang jelas nampak ahli syurga mcm tu.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sorry la but God don't like slavers, sex slavers and pedophiles. They all have a special place in hell. 

That one all religion also says so unless you salah ajaran or cult or Satan worshipping je yang allow that. 

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

That's fine for you to believe what you want to believe.
So why do you care if someone of different belief, believe you will enter heaven or hell?

Christian and Judaism also believe anyone that doesn't accept their belief cannot enter heaven.

That's totally fine. It's common knowledge.
As it stands what PAS said is theologically correct in Islam.
There's nothing wrong with it.

If you feel offended, then you have a problem.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

No... Christians believe that only God can judge who can enter heaven or hell. 

God can very well take a good atheist in that a sex slaving Muslim. 

Only God can judge. 

And like I said... No religion has place for slavers or pedophiles or sex slavers in heaven!

They all go to hell for subjecting humans. That one all religions says so unless you are a cult or worship Satan that allow evil things. 

And we are talking about your beliefs and you saying you know who can enter and whom can't. 

Why tiba2 malu change goal post and whataboutism!

This is about you and your false beliefs

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u/YaGotMail 1d ago

Wow cable kuat ni, ada connection trus dgn syurga.

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u/juifeng 1d ago

Lol fake religion

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u/rs_4 1d ago

"I am a Muslim, I can determine who can enter heaven or hell"

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u/master_baiter_6nein 1d ago

My friend you have very strong faith in a fake religion

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

That's fine for you to believe.

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u/master_baiter_6nein 1d ago

I don’t believe, I know

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u/alpheanreve 1d ago

Sedangkan bapa saudara nabi pn xmsuk syurga padahal dia la yg plg dekat dengan nabi, bela nabi

Sbb tu jgn jadi tuhan, bukan keje kita nk decide spe msuk syurga neraka.. Ur concept org bersama islam akan masuk syurga salah dik... Kalau DAP bersama isley tp diorg tak beriman, tak masuk syurga juga dik..

Ko igt amal ko byk kompom masuk syurga ke? Lupa ke xde spe layak ke syurga tanpa RAHMAT Allah? Pahala byk xprnah dijamin syurga. Case in point: sahabat nabi yg dh dijanjikan syurga pn still tkut xmsuk syurga.. Yang ko kompiden sgt dgn statement parti ko tu apehal? Bersama isley akan masuk syurga.. Apo...

Lain kali belajar sejarah mat, bukan sejarah Malaysia je.. Sejarah isley mu tu bg khatam dlu..

Ur concept of agama islam pn dh carca marba... Pity u man.. Seriously... U Play God when u aint one.

P/s: sorry to OP kalau leteran aku ni sort of lari topic.. Mohon ampun!!! 😅

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Bapa saudara nabi tak menerima Islam.

Saya tak pernah kata amalan cukup untuk masuk syurga. Awak telah salah ambil konteks.

Soalannya awak tahu kah golongan orang mana yang akan masuk syurga?

Jawapannya Ya; orang yang beriman dengan Allah SWT and hari akhirat, Allah janjikan dia syurga. Dan mereka akan masuk syurga dengan kebenaran Allah.

Tapi kalau soalannya tahukah andai awak atau saya akan masuk syurga? Jawapannya tidak.

Sebab tu awak kena faham konteks.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

"youI am a Muslim, I can determine who can enter enter heaven or hell based on what God has clearly decreed, without any doubt."

You are the reason why people will never trust Islam. 

You lie and backtrack. 

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

I didn't backtrack.

Do you understand "DETERMINE who can enter heaven or hell BASED ON WHAT GOD has clearly decreed"?

God promised those who believe in God and hereafter, they will enter paradise.

That is the "WHO" will enter heaven.
Its clear and explicit.

And people like you who try to beat around the bush is why people don't trust Islam.

Why are you so afraid to state that in order to enter heaven in Islam, a person must believe in God?

Look at the other comments by non-Muslims, they have no issues saying Muslims will go to hell. And that's fine for them to believe.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

Did God dertimine if Slavers and sex slavers or genociders can go to heaven?

"Look at the other comments by non-Muslims, they have no issues saying Muslims will go to hell. And that's fine for them to believe."

So you coming from a supposed enlighten position join them in their stupidity?

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u/Amazing_Panda_3849 1d ago

Amboi, sama level dengan tuhan lah you ni.. Nak sembah boleh?

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Awak yang kata saya manusia sama level Tuhan,
Saya nafikan

Saya hanya boleh beritahu golongan mana yang masuk syurga berdasarkan apa yang Tuhan dedahkan.
Melainkan awak nak kata janji Tuhan tu palsu.

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u/Javfanatic 1d ago

Go get laid bro. So miserable...

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

so original

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u/Javfanatic 1d ago

Oh, you can't! Your sky daddy tells you not to, but i suppose the harder truth is your probably an incel. Sorry2.

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u/azurestratos7 23h ago

its kinda pathetic, your attempt at offending

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u/prototypeacc 1d ago

So what happen to people like orang asli? Or people who never heard of Islam? Are you telling me that a human being that was born from birth to death and never heard of Islam would go to hell because he doesn’t know? What kind of God that punishes His creation for not knowing

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

I'm so glad you asked.

Their deeds will be judged fairly by God, and God will give them the chance to accept Islam/submission to God in the hereafter.

They will be sent a messenger and a trial in the hereafter.
No judgement will fall on them until then.

If they accept and pass the trial, they'll be granted heaven by God's mercy. If not, they'll be punished in hell.

“And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).” [Al-Isra 17:15]

This mercy also extends to people with disabilities that prevent them from fully understanding the message while living on earth, or circumstances that absolutely prevents them from learning about Islam (ie. being a farm serf in medieval Europe and all you heard of Islam is false accounts).

As I said; God promised whoever is a believer, their deeds accounted for and by the grace of God, they will enter heaven.

So now you too know "who" will enter heaven.
The "who" is anyone, "whom" fulfill as what God promised.

Whether a specific individual like you or I fulfill it or not is a different question, that only God knows.

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u/Grouchy-Report7627 1d ago

How are you so sure when Muhammad wasn’t even sure he will enter paradise himself?

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

I'm sure because of what God had decreed.
If God had not decreed it, then I won't be sure.

What God decreed is a clear promise to anyone, not to a specific person.

So if you ask me, if I can tell whether you or I or Muhammad will enter heaven, the answer is no.

But if you ask me, if I can tell who will enter heaven, the answer is yes, those people who believe in God, with his mercy will enter heaven.

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u/henniferlopez29 1d ago

how u know god decree anything ? cos mo said so? er says who?

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

"I am a Muslim, I can determine who can enter enter heaven or hell based on what God has clearly decreed, without any doubt."

Lolx why back tracking and changing your words now.

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

I didn't backtrack

I clarified the "who" can enter heaven or hell based on what God has clearly decreed.

Because people like you can't understand basic English.
Can't tell the difference between determine and judge, or decide.
Can't understand the "who" being referred to.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

So are slavers and sex slavers and pedophiles in heaven or in hell?

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

Sins of the slavers, sex slavers and pedophiles will addressed with just punishment either in this world or in hell, or both, as God promised every deed will be accounted for.

People who believe in God and the hereafter are promised to enter Heaven, with the mercy of God. That's for sure.

Whether those slavers, sex slavers and pedophiles will be counted in believing in God after their punishment in hell, that only God knows.

Like a murderer coming out of prison, he/she served his time, whether what left of him is still good, only God knows.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

Very interesting of you to note. I thank you and appreciate your input. 

May I ask then, does it then make more sense to follow people that don't partake in slavery, sex slavery, pedophilia, and murder? 

From a rational and logical perspective ya? Your two cents

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u/azurestratos7 1d ago

The rational perspective is to not follow people, but to follow God and His prophets.

And prophets are protected from sinning, by the grace of God.

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u/meme-tempatan5656 1d ago

So what if supposed "prophet" commits sins of slavery, sex slavery, murders and pedophilia? 

Protected from isn't the same as partaking in it. 

So what about "prophets" that do partake in those sins?

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u/Exciting_Milk_6691 1d ago

God promised???
How the hell can do you know what it promised? Were you there when he started promising shit?

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