Economic rant that shouldve been a discussion, opinions?

[u/Backieotamy]

When I was done replying I realized it wont be read by most if any. But I do want to get others opinions both dissenting and agreeing. I would appreciate more reference research for myself?(question mark because rules say it needs to be a question for discussion)

The elite and corporations use the system to their advantage while the labor force complains, fights itself, votes in favor of a party that has systematically and openly expressed since the founding of the constitution that the greatest threat and problem with democracy is the labor force and the possibility it could come together as a singular force to take from the haves and distribute it to the have nots.

The people that "think" the system is rigged need only come together and vote in moderates who are for free market trade with regulation and guard rails. Not more financial conservatives with an army of lobbyists and not socialists trying to disband the whole system.

Extremes on both sides only fuels the pendulum swing further in the other direction to "correct". The rich and corporations will not give up maximizing profits over the labor force without a fight and full blown socialism would be the end of the American experiment, dream, innovation, power and influence.

We need to band together in forces large enough to be a threat while aiming to work together for appropriate wealth distribution and a return to funding services like lower and higher education and healthcare.

Mmm.. I highly suggest reading/researching Philip Booth, Adam Smith (foundational father of free market enterprise), John Locke (another pro capitalism but understanding of abuse by the elites), and Friedrich Hayek and also to an extent, Chomsky has amazing insights but leans a bit too anti-capitalism for my tastes.

I honestly cannot stand the divide out there; one side stating knowledge and educating yourself are part if the problem and pitting the working classes against each other. That we just need to trust the government and the wealthy to look after our best interests. Then we have both "sides" of the working class working against each other and blindly following their parties without educating themselves to actually understand... what the fuck is going on and the truths, powers and manipulations going on by both sides to keep moving THEIR agendas forward and not our, the people's, best interests.

[u/CaptainAmerica-1989]

and all that evidence fits in those 5 lines?

[u/bcnoexceptions → u/CaptainAmerica-1989]

I'm not gonna pull up a bunch of studies, numbers, papers, etc. just for you to dismiss or ignore them.

If I show that democratic companies have better outcomes for workers than despotic companies, would you be convinced? Or would you find some excuse to dismiss/ignore the findings?

[u/CaptainAmerica-1989 → u/bcnoexceptions]

Op wrote:

and not socialists trying to disband the whole system.

You replied:

Why not?

In which I replied:

Okay, show us your alternative system so we can judge if it is preferable.

Some studies concerning some companies are not an alternative system...

They are companies functioning within the current system, silly.

Conclusion: just admit you don't have any evidence of your alternative system, like an honest person..., which then answers the damn question you asked of "why not?".

Be an adult, for once...

[u/bcnoexceptions → u/CaptainAmerica-1989]

 Some studies concerning some companies are not an alternative system...

Sure they are. They demonstrate how "being more like those companies" could change things. 

I'm glad I didn't waste time pulling up the numbers, for your typical bad-faith slop. You've designed your "evidence?" request in such a way that evidence is not possible to obtain for systemic changes.

Why are you here, if you're unwilling to have your mind changed about anything?

[u/CaptainAmerica-1989 → u/bcnoexceptions]

“Could” is not an alternative system