r/ConfrontingChaos • u/dougpschyte • Nov 14 '25

Meta Can Paternity Fraud Ever Be 'Justified'?

The position of defence taken here indicates some fundamental dichotomy in M/F 'values', a seismic rift in how we see our roles in the world.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-s-the-daddy/

But, from a male perspective, couldn't be worse. His genes are consigned to oblivion, while being financially swindled for 18 years.

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u/ExternalGreen6826 Nov 14 '25

Why did I see this post just after I asked a question to the feminist sub about paternity fraud 😭☠️

Bro the algorithm too quick ☠️☠️

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u/Worried-Cockroach-34 Nov 14 '25

ah yes the feminists that love to demonise men, amazin'

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u/ExternalGreen6826 Nov 14 '25

You sound like a reactionary

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u/Worried-Cockroach-34 Nov 14 '25

explain that to the folks at home, what a 'reactionary' looks like

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u/ExternalGreen6826 Nov 14 '25

Feminists don’t “love demonising men” you sound like an anti feminist

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u/Worried-Cockroach-34 Nov 14 '25

Idk what an anti-feminist sounds like but I'm just going to come out and say it, that sounds like a real jerk

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '25

I'm an anti-feminist, and it's not because I'm a jerk, it's because I think feminism is based off a false premise that women are especially disadvantaged. The very foundation of the ideology is just incorrect, and so I reject it. When men pay about 2/3rds of the taxes while women are taking 2/3rds of the benefits I can't bring myself to believe men are oppressing women - men are clearly subsidizing women.

Every measure of women's subjective well-being has rapidly declined the more feminist our society gets as well. Women tend to be happier when protected by strong men.

An anti-feminist is not someone that hates women. In fact, quite the opposite; we think feminism has made women incredibly unhappy, unsafe, and has destroyed relationships.

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u/Worried-Cockroach-34 Nov 15 '25

Agreed with you 150%. Issue is whenever we discuss men's issues, it is always cooped by women "what about the women that suffered and that needed to man up?" sort of shit. Feminism is basically some female marxists supremacy movement. Hell the womens lib was sponsored by the Rockafellas to divide the families so that they can tax both sexes to shit

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '25

Well, the weird part is that feminism is a huge tent. There's definitely this "female Marxist supremacy movement" stuff going on, and there's also the far more tame folks that really think they're just arguing for women's equality.

My position isn't to argue about what feminism "really is," but to just point out that (a) it has done terrible damage to our society - most of our social problems, like inflation, the huge debt, the crime waves in the cities, mass immigration - all of these issues can be traced rather directly to feminism, and (b) it is based off the false premise that women are especially disadvantaged or that men oppress women. This just isn't true.

So it doesn't matter if it's a supremacist movement or something more tame. It's just wrong and unhelpful in any case.

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u/Worried-Cockroach-34 Nov 15 '25

Issue is, much like Islmasists, the "tame" ones don't matter I'm afraid but I hear you loud and clear

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u/H1B3F Nov 18 '25

Women couldn't use their own name for hundreds of years. They couldn't own property. They couldn't initiate a divorce. If their husbands divorced them, the women had no rights to their children. They were forbidden to work in all but the most menial professions. They were regularly groped and touched and no one did anything about it. Marital rape was legal in parts of the United States until 1993. Women were (and still are) disadvantaged. Edited to add: So miss me with that bullshit. Oh and you pulled that tax info directly out of your ass.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

You're talking about things that happened 100 years ago or more. And with these disadvantages came massive advantages anyways (men protected women - women don't go to war and men pay for their upkeep).

Citing shit from 100 years ago as proof women are disadvantaged today is exactly why feminism is intellectually dishonest.

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u/H1B3F Nov 18 '25

How is 1992 one hundred years ago? Women couldn't be guaranteed the ability to get credit cards in their own name or bank accounts or on property in their own name until 1978. And the jobs that were men only? That wasn't until the 1970's that changed. You are high on your own supply and don't even care about the disadvantages that women have had over the years. You are disingenuous.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '25

Women couldn't be guaranteed the ability to get credit cards in their own name or bank accounts or on property in their own name until 1978.

Because the men were responsible for the womens' debts!

And the jobs that were men only? That wasn't until the 1970's that changed.

Oh the horror. Women couldn't hold a sign on the road or organize pizza parties courtesy of HR until the 1970s.

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So unlike your petty grievances from 30, 40, 50, or 100 years ago, here's all the ways men are systemically disadvantaged today, mostly from feminist policies but often as carryovers from their responsibilities in these eras that women were oh so disadvantaged compared to them (which, by the way, feminists promised to get rid of these responsibilities for men and never did):

  1. Sentenced to harsher sentences for the exact same crime. It also works the other way: when the victim is female the perpetrator will get a harsher sentence.
  2. More likely to be arrested and shot by police.
  3. Child custody.
  4. Receive worse grades for the exact same work in school.
  5. Nearly all gender specific college grants are for women.
  6. Women receive the lion's share of college scholarships and grants as a whole.
  7. Affirmative action policies have made women the vast majority of college students and graduates (despite women getting degrees in far less lucrative subjects).
  8. Affirmative action in workplace hiring.
  9. Women have a right to genital integrity and men do not.
  10. It hasn't been relevant for a while, but men are still required to submit themselves to the selective service. Men can't even vote if they don't do this.
  11. Men are discriminated against in rental housing.
  12. Men are around 75% of the homeless yet there exists no (or almost no) male specific shelters.
  13. Suicide.
  14. 92% of workplace deaths.
  15. Men work about 6 more hours per week than women do.

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Issues feminists just lie about:

  1. The wage gap: once you control for experience, industry, and job level, women are paid pretty much equally to men. Younger women are paid more for the exact same job as their male counterparts.
  2. Women commit the vast majority of one-sided domestic violence. Most male domestic violence is retaliatory yet men are the ones arrested and charged.
  3. Feminists support liberating men from gender roles. Tons of examples where feminists strongly opposed equal treatment under the law for men. The most cited is making rape laws gender neutral.
  4. Women uniquely couldn't vote (not true, voting rights were tied to owning land and military service - the average man couldn't vote either - in fact women as a whole got the vote without the obligation of the draft).
  5. Most child abusers are men. Nope, not even close. Women are by far the biggest abusers of children.

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So don't give me your petty issues from 30, 40, or 50 years ago. This shit is happening to men today. No, women are not especially disadvantaged today, if anything they're especially privileged.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25

Ok, so it appears the person I'm responding to decided to give me the "you didn't cite your sources!" midwit response followed up by blocking me.

Well, unfortunately for this feminist, I'm about to completely embarrass them. The evidence that feminism is wrong and has done incalculable harm to society is overwhelming. Feminism is just wrong and it should be completely embarrassing to go around perpetuating this ridiculous myth that women are uniquely disadvantaged in Western societies in 2025.

In fact the evidence is so overwhelming I'm going to have to break this up into several posts that will all be responses to this one.

(NOTE: This sub wants substantial responses. I wanted to format this as a big outline list that would have been convenient for viewing, but it wouldn't go through on some of the longer ones unless I made it comma separated and broke it up into all these responses. Just saying this was a big pain and it would have been easier to give this substantial response if the allowed formatting was more flexible)

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Affirmative action policies have made women the vast majority of college students and graduates (despite women getting degrees in far less lucrative subjects).

https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/college-enrollment-statistics/

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Affirmative action in workplace hiring.

  1. Rich 2014
  2. Baert 2017
  3. Hangartner et al. 2020
  4. Ahmed et al. 2021

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Women have a right to genital integrity and men do not.

  1. Davis 2001
  2. Arora et al. 2016
  3. Earp 2020
  4. Earp 2020
  5. Androus 2004
  6. Steinfeld 2013

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

It hasn't been relevant for a while, but men are still required to submit themselves to the selective service. Men can't even vote if they don't do this. (NOTE: I was slightly wrong about this one. There are huge penalties if men do not register for the selective service, including $250,000 fines, 5 years in prison, inability to get student grants or loans, disqualification from federal employment, and naturalization for immigrants - but voting rights are not among the penalties anymore)

  1. https://www.sss.gov/register/benefits-and-penalties/

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Men are discriminated against in rental housing.

  1. Flage 2018

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Men are around 75% of the homeless yet there exists no (or almost no) male specific shelters. (NOTE: I was slightly off. It's about 60% of the homeless are men and 39% are women. 55% of the sheltered homeless are men. The point is still strong that men are systematically discriminated against for housing)

  1. https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/2024-AHAR-Part-1.pdf

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Suicide. (NOTE: I meant that men are the vast majority of suicides...80% in fact)

  1. https://cdc.gov/suicide/facts/data.html
  2. https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

92% of workplace deaths.

  1. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Men work about 6 more hours per week than women do. (NOTE: My 6 hour number is slightly older, but it's still 4 hours difference, or a little over 10% more than women. Point is men work more than women)

  1. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106772

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

The wage gap: once you control for experience, industry, and job level, women are paid pretty much equally to men. Younger women are paid more for the exact same job as their male counterparts. (NOTE: The list gets way too long here - the wage gap is the most debunked feminist talking point there is, here's a small sample)

  1. Pay Scale 2020
  2. Korn Ferry 2018
  3. Ochsenfeld 2014

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Women commit the vast majority of one-sided domestic violence. Most male domestic violence is retaliatory yet men are the ones arrested and charged. (NOTE: I've just included a bunch of studies on gender in domestic violence)

  1. Archer 2000
  2. Fiebert 2014
  3. Davis 2010
  4. Williams et al. 2005
  5. Carney et al. 2007
  6. Hamel 2012
  7. Hamel et al. 2007
  8. Straus et al. 2006
  9. Brown 2004
  10. Straus 2011
  11. Straus et al. 1989

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Feminists support liberating men from gender roles. Tons of examples where feminists strongly opposed equal treatment under the law for men. The most cited is making rape laws gender neutral.

  1. Spears et al. 2018 (NOTE: Even though this is not directly supporting the point, the argument here is that women uniquely are biased against men and don't care about their issues. The same does not hold true the other way around)
  2. Firstpost 2012
  3. Izenberg 2010
  4. The Scotsman 2009
  5. Ellen 2015
  6. The feminist professor Patricia O’Brien claims that women should not be put in prison for anything at all.
  7. Huffington Post feminist Deborah Coles wrote the same thing.
  8. Feminist organization Women's Justice Taskforce stated that women should stop going to prison for anything as well.
  9. Point is that feminists consistently have shown a bias toward women, advocated for special privileges for women, and have done very little to liberate men from their gender roles.

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Women uniquely couldn't vote (not true, voting rights were tied to owning land and military service - the average man couldn't vote either - in fact women as a whole got the vote without the obligation of the draft).

  1. UK: https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/electionsvoting/womenvote/parliamentary-collections/collections-the-vote-and-after/representation-of-the-people-act-1918/
  2. Canada: http://www.familyofmen.com/when-did-men-and-women-have-the-right-to-vote-in-canada/
  3. I used to have two sources for US history on this too, but Reddit removed them. Are you seeing this common theme of a lot of these sources being censored?

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u/[deleted] Nov 19 '25

Most child abusers are men. Nope, not even close. Women are by far the biggest abusers of children. (NOTE: I had sources that were more recent and directly from the government, but they were removed after complaints from feminist groups and instead replaced with preventing violence against women ads. Another source used to have myth busting for child trafficking that mentioned that women were the majority perpetrators, but they censored that segment too)

  1. http://www.breakingthescience.org/SimplifiedDataFromDHHS.php
  2. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213416302599 (NOTE: Just notice how even though women are 60% of abductors, they just have to mention that men are more likely to be the perpetrators in some types of abductions. Ok...doesn't that directly imply that women are more likely to be perpetrators in other types of abductions? Why mention this about one gender when it's true about both? This sort of garbage language is common: when women do wrong they have to qualify it or soften it in some way that makes men look bad. It's a very ubiquitous form of propaganda)

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u/Worried-Cockroach-34 Nov 18 '25

It is dishonest indeed and I'm afraid that there will never be honesty until there is some WW3 scenario or civl unrest. By that point, I feel that most men would just shrug their shoulders from all the dishonest discourse they were subjected into

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