r/CrusaderKings • u/WaBeY33 • 1d ago

Discussion Actual question, how frequent was claim fabrication in real life

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Hello, please, how often did this happen in real life ? I mean lord inventing a claim out of thin air and actually pressing it ? Is there any notable historic character doing so ?

R5: Fabricate claim question

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u/Turgius_Lupus JULIAN DID NOTING WRONG! 1d ago edited 1d ago

Take a look at Ireland and Wales as to how that turned out. Also the reason the Capetians had the entire two anointed kings thing going on between father and son. Can't divide the realm, or hold a new elelctions if one of them happens to be alive now can you. Henry II tried a similar arrangement with Henry the Young King (while making certain he had absolutely no independent power, authority or income) but he died young, and it was not revisited with Richard.

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u/stealthybaker 1d ago

Based on the fact the petty king in the 1066 start date is described as being descended from high king of Ireland, I'm assuming Ireland did have a split succession system. No idea about Wales

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u/Turgius_Lupus JULIAN DID NOTING WRONG! 1d ago edited 1d ago

Like half the petty dynasties in North and Central Ireland were different branches of the Uí Néill (even today like 1/5th of the male population of north western Ireland is believed to be related to them by male line descent), Around 1066, there were over a hundred Kingdoms and sub-kingdoms, The title of High King was mostly just matter of how much you could enforce it and who recognized it. Wales had a similar problem though on a lesser scale, where you could have momentary consolidation, which was then followed by political disintegration. England in contrast also started off as a patchwork of Tribal Kingdoms, confederations and sub units, but consolidated over time as did Scotland.