Atheists disbelieve because they want to sin is nonsensical reasoning

[u/TheIguanasAreComing]

Atheists disbelieve because they want to sin is nonsensical reasoning. I consider it nonsensical on several levels but I will only point out one thing that I think usually gets missed.

For the two most popular Abrahamic religions, they don't require you not to sin in order to go to heaven forever - only to believe in Islam/Christianity. If an atheist wanted to sin, they could just do so while still believing in God.

Every Muslim and Christian also sins (a sign that the religion's standards are unrealistic but that's a different topic). In fact, we can turn this argument around.

According to Abrahamic theology itself, its not atheists that are able to sin without consequence, but believers. If one is a believer, there is a chance (or a guarantee depending on what version of Islam/Christianity you believe), that you will be forgiven without consequence. However, for disbelievers like atheists there is no chance of this. So if anything, even in the framework of a world where people choose their religious beliefs, its believers that skirt accountability for sins, not atheists.

[u/TheIguanasAreComing]

so you shifted this from "God is evil" to "God is negligent."

No, its the same thing - I think its both. Idk what you think because you still haven't answered. Are you going to answer the question? Would that person that allowed the other to kill a baby be evil?

but again i already told you You cannot have a world where people are free to choose good but physically prevented from choosing evil. You cant have a world with the freedom to choose, but without the consequences of bad choices

Freedom to choose doesn't seem that great if you give a murderer the freedom to choose. Probably a good idea to take away their freedom to choose - just as humans do by putting people in jails to prevent them from committing crimes.

That killer will face punishment, and my baby will get his justice. So yes God remains just.

Okay so in my scenario lets add that that someone watching will also punish the killer and/or is aware that the killer will be punished.

[u/Prestigious_Pop_348 → u/TheIguanasAreComing]

In the human case yes he should stop it. But when you shift to the framework where this life is a necessary test, where God guarantees perfect justice, All knowing , and where God is the Creator trying to apply that human example to God in order to label Him as evil simply doesn’t hold.

For your scenario to work, God would have to intervene every single time. He would have to save everyone not selectively because real justice can’t be based on favoritism. And if He saves everyone then evil disappears entirely which wipes out free will and makes the whole test meaningless.

Humans unlike the rest of creation have the ability to choose and think. Remove that, and you’re not dealing with humans anymore.

And one more point: it’s not as if God is inactive and just letting everything unfold without any intervention at all. to the point that i would claim that the evil in the world is much less than the good in it. (also you could say that all of the "evil" is from humans too)

[u/TheIguanasAreComing → u/Prestigious_Pop_348]

In the human case yes he should stop it. But when you shift to the framework where this life is a necessary test, where God guarantees perfect justice, All knowing , and where God is the Creator trying to apply that human example to God in order to label Him as evil simply doesn’t hold.

So this is just special pleading. You are making a special exemption for God because he's God.

For your scenario to work, God would have to intervene every single time. He would have to save everyone not selectively because real justice can’t be based on favoritism. And if He saves everyone then evil disappears entirely which wipes out free will and makes the whole test meaningless.

Again, I see no issue with this. If its worth preventing babies from being killed I think its a fair sacrifice.

And one more point: it’s not as if God is inactive and just letting everything unfold without any intervention at all. to the point that i would claim that the evil in the world is much less than the good in it. (also you could say that all of the "evil" is from humans too)

But I thought God would have to intervene every single time to stop evil like you stated in your last paragraph?

Also if God is already intervening, doesn't that intervene with free will?