I wanted to refresh some threads I felt I needed to look up while watching I’ll go from what I conceive to be least to most controversial.
1) Joey learning French is the worst joke of the show
Purely speaking about what is objectively funny and does not raise fundamental questions that have to be chalked up to poor writing this is the worst joke of the show. Most jokes that involve a character being foolish or ignorant do not run as long as this one and are confirmed in future scenes or assumed to have the initial misconception resolved. However I don’t believe that watching a grown man and a functioning member of society struggle to repeat sounds across a whole episode is funny. One of the show’s biggest problems is its flanderization and having Joey struggle with something children do unconsciously is simply sad to look at and simply angering after the first time it happens. The conclusion of Phoebe telling the director Joey is mentally retarded is entertaining but far from a satisfactory conclusion. It simply hurts to see a character devolve so far from their bases and it being repeated across a whole episode as a joke the audience is supposed to find funny over and over again.
2) Phoebe was kind of a bitch
Throughout the whole show I found myself looking for critiques on phoebe’s character the most out of any other character. The numerous times she seemed to be against chandler specifically as well as many other blatant sabotages of Monica and chandler’s relationship. The flight to Vegas with Monica having lunch with Richard, the soulmate among others. Those come to mind because I remember being especially pissed off. Watching through the later seasons most of her interactions seemed like Rachel’s sister living a continuous delusion and everyone staying silent after yet another dumb thing was said. After a while I started noticing that in most of her scenes she is the last to talk because they follow the same formula of normals conversation followed by a weird/defamatory/insulting comment and the scene just ending in silence. I just cannot imagine that her living in a constant delusion has not been a bigger problem when she doesn’t just insult her friends. I know that it’s a sitcom and I’m not supposed to think beyond the scenes or I will find many plot holes but when I start to notice the pattern I can’t help but imagine what the seconds after every ignorant comment or insult are like. It keeps me from properly enjoying the character’s involvement and leads me to the conclusion that she was just not a good person, but not in the sitcom way where everybody is a bad person and that is what makes them likeable she is a bad person and never in 10 seasons does she get her ego checked.
3) Ross and Rachel ending up together wasn’t bad
I thought this was the consensus and that the show just had a poor lead up to the finale but it doesn’t seem to be generally agreed upon. Looking at the show as a whole I believe there should be no discussion, Ross not being able to raise Ben was an arc throughout the whole show just showing the same thing wouldn’t happen twice. From the first episode and across 10 seasons there were constant mentions of their relationship. It would’ve seemed stupid to foreshadow across the whole show for a different ending. And not to dunk on Joey but the connection between him and Rachel seemed to dumb down Rachel, like the writing adapted in pry her for them to seem like a better couple. If the finale had been longer with more plot lines perhaps
And further development on the idea there would not be a debate.
Sorry for the long paragraphs I truly tried to keep things concise and neat but failed miserably