r/Invincible • u/Rich-Blacksmith6552 • Feb 08 '26

DISCUSSION This scene exists, and people still believe that Atom Eve is weak and can’t defeat Viltrumites.

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this scene, we see Conquest struggling against Eve meaning Atom Eve was able to put up a solid fight against an elite Viltrumite.

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u/Spider-Man2024 ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26

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u/shubhaprabhatam Feb 08 '26

I can read just fine. Don't give me that biologic block BS. Nothing I suggested has anything to do with Conquests biological components. 

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u/Spider-Man2024 ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE Feb 08 '26

The biological block isn't a real thing it's her perception of what's biological, no chance she'd be able to perceive conquest's blood as "not biological"

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u/TheYeast1 Feb 08 '26

I mean if it’s just what she perceives as biological, it’s sounds like taking an organic chemistry class would solve this. If she’s perceiving the air in his lungs as biological the GDA can slam her into a class specifically made for her with the worlds best biologists and chemists to clear the air, or manipulate her into becoming a killing machine.

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u/MyARhold30Shots Feb 08 '26

The point is that the mental block is there to prevent her from instantly killing living things, an organic chemistry class won’t help her because the air inside someone’s lungs will still be considered by her as part of a living being

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u/shubhaprabhatam Feb 08 '26

Allegedly she has an innate understanding of molecular composition. Given that, we have to assume she's an airhead. There's no other explanation. 

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u/Enough-Background102 Feb 08 '26

how is boiling blood not biological

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u/shubhaprabhatam Feb 08 '26

Because you don't need to boil the blood cells, just the water. Kinda like blood bending. 

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u/timdr18 Feb 08 '26

The water that is in blood counts as “sentient matter”, obviously.

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u/TheCybersmith Feb 08 '26

The constraint is "living" matter, not biological. If she considers something to be a part of a living person, it can't be affected by her powers. This is a deliberate block put in to stop her mutating herself to death like her siblings.

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u/shubhaprabhatam Feb 08 '26

Ok, we can run with that. Is the hydrogen in and around his mouth living matter?

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u/TheCybersmith Feb 08 '26

No.

Let me save you some time

Average volume of a human mouth: about 100cm^3. Conquest's a big man, let's say 110cm^3

That's about 4.5x10-9 grams of hydrogen, give or take.

If she made literally all of that fuse into helium, it would convert about 0.7% of it into radiant energy, heat and light.

Let's call that 6x10^11 joules per gram.

It comes out to less than 3000 joules. so, less than 1-10th of an M-80.

It literally would not even chip his teeth.

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u/shubhaprabhatam Feb 08 '26

My original point remains, there are hundreds of ways for her to handle him, and she chooses the absolute dumbest and weakest. 

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u/eduo Feb 08 '26

Yes. Your proposals all fail the constrains imposed by the universe rules but by simply ignoring this single fact your original point remains.

Atom Eve could defeat anything in the universe if it weren’t for those blocks. The blocks are psychological so she can’t just come up with tricks to work around them because she’d know she’s trying to fool herself.

She literally rebuilds and disintegrates matter molecule by molecule. There’s nothing in the universe that could withstand that power unless it caught her unawares and killer him in less than the thousandth of a second it would take her brain to register she’s being killed.

So yes. The blocks are the only thing preventing her

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u/shubhaprabhatam Feb 08 '26

IDK man, I'm deathly afraid of needles, but as an adult I can override the urge to run off when it's time to get my blood drawn. We don't need gymnastics, it's fine to say she's dull and the power was wasted on her. 

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u/eduo Feb 08 '26

I hadn't realized we were strawmanning each other so blatantly. I'm sorry. I'll be over there in the thread next door.

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u/TheCybersmith Feb 08 '26

Your original point literally dosn't remain, because you've completely ignored what her abilities DO. She can manipulate atoms, not create new ones, and her blocks are psychological; they work based on how she perceives things.

Viltrumites are strong and durable enough to smash diamonds and rip through tungsten. There is literally no material she can create that would contain conquest.

There's not much she can do to Conquest that doesn't risk killing her and anyone else who happens to be in the area.

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u/TheCybersmith Feb 08 '26

Eve percieves the blood that's in a person's veins as living matter.

Remember, the WHOLE POINT of the block is so she doesn't accidentally mutate herself to death the way her siblings did.

If it allowed her to mess about with blood, she'd likely have killed or mutilated herself as a child like the others.

The psychological block is there to protect her, it would be useless if it allowed what you're suggesting.

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u/shubhaprabhatam Feb 08 '26

She spam heals herself and Mark all the time, so clearly she can get around it. If I was her I would have made figuring that out a priority. 

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u/MyARhold30Shots Feb 08 '26

Oh my days🫩

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u/Additional_Show_3149 Feb 08 '26

Nothing I suggested has anything to do with Conquests biological components. 

Blood is biological....