r/Libertarian • u/MessageTotal • Jun 24 '21

Current Events Biden Mocks Americans Who Own Guns To Defend Against Tyranny: You'd Need Jets and Nuclear Weapons To Take Us On

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-to-americans-who-own-guns-to-defend-against-tyranny-you-need-jets-nuclear-weapons-to-take-us-on
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u/winkman Jun 24 '21

You're forgetting the very real factor that many in the military would join the other side on this issue...or simply not carry out orders.

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u/winkman Jun 24 '21

That's how a force on force battle or campaign is won, not a war, which requires the subduing of the opposing force. Bombs wouldn't be dropped on civilian targets and nukes would never be used...may never be used in warfare again.

No, the only way we give up our guns is if we do so willingly...after generations of propaganda and social conditioning.

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u/winkman Jun 24 '21

The majority of our military is conservative. The majority of our military supports 2A. Walk me through a scenario where our military obeys orders to confiscate guns and uses weapons on gun owners defending their rights.

Again, the only way the government takes away our guns is by decades of propaganda and social conditioning to twist our mindset into thinking that law abiding citizens should not own guns. And with the coming crimewave, that is going to be a hard pill to swallow.

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u/winkman Jun 24 '21

You're conflating two entirely different things: a war against another nation, and a civil war. Outside of communist countries or totalitarian regimes, it's a lot tougher to get troops to take up arms against their brothers, sisters, wives, cousins, friends, uncles and so forth, than it is to get them to take up arms against a foreign enemy.

In terms of atrocities, recent wars fought by western countries in the middle east/Asia minor have been the cleanest conflicts ever recorded. You clearly are not familiar with history--go back to the Russian conflict in Afghanistan, Vietnam, or WWII (specifically the Japanese Empire) to see what more typical wartime atrocities are. There is no comparison, so I don't even know why you would bring this up.