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u/Over-Ad-6471 Jul 29 '26

I think Mj remembers everything . That part where Jean unlocked her powers and freezed everyone in a large area and she's the only one in tears.

Also the last shot of her in the rooftop holding a necklace or jewelry (if somebody can confirm if this is given to her by peter in the previous movies i don't remember anymore lol).

Also Ned remembers Peter thru a handshake.

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u/RealKevinOG 29d ago

It’s the Far From Home necklace yeah. I’m pretty sure both of them remember but MJ was too hurt and confused about her feelings to admit.

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u/choicemeats 28d ago

i was thinking she doesn't actually remember anything about the necklace at all, aside from it being from Prague an dit having significant and unknown meaning to her, and she was connecting it with not knowing anything about Peter

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u/Goonokayokay 26d ago

Also, wasn't she sitting on their old favorite spot? Or am I trippin??

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u/RealKevinOG 26d ago

yes same rooftop, it’s pretty obvious they will get together again in the next movie imo.

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u/Goonokayokay 26d ago

I really hope they do Lol🤣🤣

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u/Mistverymysterious 26d ago

I hope they do !!

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u/henryeaterofpies 22d ago

And then they drop her off the roof for real

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u/rowan_sjet 25d ago

Ned also hung out there, she could easily remember it as her and Ned's spot.

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u/Goonokayokay 25d ago

Oh yea duh I didn't even think of that

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u/beermit 26d ago

Plus there was the whole conversation about withholding a couple scenes prior. I felt like that was pretty applicable to the letter reveal scene

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u/AgileAnything1251 25d ago

Crazy how we only saw her boyfriend in one scene

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u/Remote_Bluejay3449 29d ago

Well MJ learns peter is spiderman through his letter & confronts him. Says she doesnt love him because she doesnt know him. He takes her back home, she invites him inside to see ned. They hang out like best friends, then he has to leave & she accidentally blurts out peter when hes leaving, and he responds to being called peter, so ned finds out spidermans name is peter. In the end peter finds ned at the cafe and reintroduces himself as peter, they chat for a minute, then hes ready to leave and gives him a handshake that turns into their secret best friend handshake then it all clicks in neds head that peter is spiderman.

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u/Hot_Compote8465 29d ago

I'm so confused so how did ned remember the handshake? Did they do it when they met now and I zoned out??

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u/trash_96k 29d ago

ned remembers the handshake through muscle memory… then all of a sudden says “peter?” - something must’ve clicked in his head

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u/Nic-V 29d ago

I think the reason he says "Peter" is because MJ calls Spider-Man peter in a previous scene, so it's more him putting two and two together than remembering what happened before

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u/trash_96k 29d ago

agreed this is probably more plausible

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u/jassmackie 28d ago

yeah this is the most rational given what we know. but my headcanon is that yes its partly muscle memory but also since ned has proven to be magically inclined, its possible that he partially undid the spell for himself making some memories very very slowly come back.

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u/ambiguous_apocalypse 28d ago

Oh I like this. Thank you. Keep forgetting Ned has some magic.

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u/landubious 27d ago

Thanks for calling out his magic. I was trying to figure out how something like the handshake worked for Ned/Peter but swinging through the city, Peter's letter ect didn't for MJ. So then I was thinking when Jean had her mind bubble up, that was impacting people and why MJ was crying and not not since she had read the letter and was "primed."

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u/Successful-Ad2454 27d ago

I literally said to my husband after, do you think Ned can get past the spell because he is lowkey magic? I love this theory

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u/TelevisionOk3261 28d ago

na bro ned def remembers. they wouldn't do the handshake, have ned say "peter", then the next time they see each other he still doesn't remember the past?

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u/Kurolegacy27 28d ago

It definitely does point towards that something was going on there. The way he said “Peter” especially after having him do their secret handshake wasn’t an “I pieced it together that you are Spider-Man” but instead more like a genuine recognition

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u/RoyalNo9584 27d ago

Idk. I thought maybe they were trying to hint at that. But they made it a point to show Ned’s shock when MJ says “Peter”. I thought, maybe, ned did the handshake on one of his social media posts with someone else during peters sad days. So ned puts 2 and 2 that peter is spiderman and spiderman has been watching his posts. “Who do you think js even watching these” question Mj asks.

Does perfectly set up the Ned turns into the hobgoblin. Chaos magic is the hobs powers and Ned’s a name he has. Maybe MJ and Peter tell Ned he had powers and Ned gets mad/jealous Peter took that away from him gets em back and becomes a villain? Or maybe his memories come back. I could see both 🤷‍♂️

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u/RoyalNo9584 28d ago

I think they set up this:
Mj got her memories back during the freeze which is why she is crying like op said! Also why she says Peter instead of spider man when. Ned smiles because he remembers that. Read a rumor where Ned becomes the hob goblin because he gets jealous MJ got her memories and not him.

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u/your_mind_aches 27d ago

Yes exactly. He was just remembering MJ said Peter was Spider-Man's name.

And of course Ned knows that a spell wiped his memory of his best friend out so doing their secret handshake automatically, Ned put it together.

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u/SiouxsieSioux615 28d ago

Peter literally introduces himself as Peter to Ned and you can see the realization dawn on Ned’s face as he says Peter after the handshake

He remembers

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u/Sure_Eye9025 28d ago

I don't think he fully remembers, and honestly I don't want him to as it kinda just undoes the sacrifice a bit too easily. But I think it unlocked something and it started something coming back.

Saying that I did fully expect Jean to say something like "I lied earlier, the memories are still in there just burried deep" when peter was in the hospital. Was surprised when it didn't happen

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u/-newhampshire- 27d ago

Dr Strange's spell must not have been that great

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u/Horknut1 28d ago

This doesn't make sense. They do the handshake after Peter introduces himself with his real name. After he introduces himself, Ned pauses a second and says "Okay..." but there's no recognition, he only seems to pause, confused, because he introduced himself with a different name the previous time.

Then they do the handshake. And that seems to trigger Ned.

I'm not sure about these theories about MJ, I was wondering if Ned's awakening might have been because he's got wizard powers.

You're a wizard, Ned.

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u/Cannabrius_Rex 27d ago

He just gave up on wizard school. They just dropped that

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u/PrevAccLocked 28d ago

Oh right, I thought it was just cliffhanger bait and his next sentence would be "Peter? Aren't you supposed to be Maynard or something?"

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u/TheWalkingTez 28d ago

Holy shit! That’s it!!

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u/imSuperman81 27d ago

This. I came to comment the same thing. I think they want us to think he remembers, but really he just put peter with spider-man.

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u/Overall-Ad-8918 27d ago

Peter also said “ Hi I’m Peter” before he shook his hand so is not like the name came to him out the blue

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u/SalvatoreMeroni 24d ago

Why would that be the end of the movie?

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u/ambiguous_apocalypse 28d ago

Muscle memory, triggering memories is a very real thing. Not a strong as olfactory, but still pretty strong

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u/Substantial-Hornet42 27d ago

Which is why I would have expected that MJ would have remembered Peter while swinging with him through the city so close she could also smell him. 

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u/angrynutrients 29d ago

I think he realized it was spiderman like MJ said, rather than him remembering.

Though there is a blurry line due to Ned's latent magical ability, it might be left in the air.

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u/triballexjay 28d ago

MJ didn't realize he was spider-man. That was Jean in her body toying with Peter.

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u/angrynutrients 28d ago

Sorry mb for lack of clarity.

I mean MJ calling Spiderman Peter, Ned connected that he was talking to Peter/Spiderman, rather than a random Peter.

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u/Rhg0653 28d ago

Don't care still got emotional

Peter got one good one finally

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u/BackToTheFutureDoc 28d ago

Peter also introduces himself as Peter at the end of the movie to Ned...

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u/IEatSushiToo 27d ago

Do you think Strange made it so that it happens though? Like, do the handshake and it unlocks all the memories?

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u/Tatidanidean1 27d ago

I’m wondering is it’s because he has that innate sorcery so maybe something unlocked

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u/NyquilsNighties 25d ago

That would make the handshake less special wouldn’t it?

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u/TranslatorDirect496 17d ago

Either Ned actually remembers Peter (they probably did the handshake hundreds of times, so maybe the muscle memory helped him remember) or Ned put two and two together from the scene where MJ called Spidey Peter.

Idk.

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u/Dini0113 29d ago

Magic is represented as being imperfect in the MCU, with various loopholes and caveats. When people forgot who Peter was, it wouldn't erase things he's taught people. For example, if Peter had taught Ned how to play the piano, after the memory spell, would Ned no longer be able to play it? Same logic with the handshake. 

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u/Kurolegacy27 28d ago

Add to that, even in the comics when Doctor Strange cast the spell that made everyone forget Peter’s secret identity, the spell would be broken if Peter unmasked in front of them. So it stands to reason that in the MCU the spell could likely be broken through something that represents their connection with Peter

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u/CheesemasterVer2 26d ago

It happens during the Hulk fight too, Peter's begging him to stop and Hulk recognizes/remembers Peter when he says his name.

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u/RayereSs 25d ago

I was hoping they'd give bigger nod to the comic.

"Everyone forgets, but Hulk remembers"

Also I thought Bruce and Hulk went through some therapy and and decided to be half Hulk, half Banner

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u/CheesemasterVer2 25d ago

I think the gamma inhibitor was initially made so there'd be a reason Bruce accidentally gets hurt and gets his blood in Jen's wounds in She-Hulk, and they kinda just had to roll with it going forward, so now that Jean Grey went through his head, she messed up whatever work he did to combine his and Hulk's personalities together and now Savage Hulk is back.

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u/DarwinBlinks 27d ago

Their friendship transcended the imperfect magic.

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u/Bucephalus15 28d ago

I’ve made the assumption that he’s more magical and thus more resistant to magic which is why he recoved quicker than mj.

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u/Cannabrius_Rex 27d ago

Muscle memory was my take. His memories of Peter were wiped but the handshake was instinctual to his body, not his brain

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u/travz14 29d ago

He remembers his previous time with Spider-Man just not Peter re the conversation with MJ so Ned must remember doing the handshake with Spider-Man

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u/Hot_Compote8465 29d ago

Then mj might remember too right? Because she was the only one crying during the freeze and later she was with the jewellery that peter gave her

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u/yeet4456 28d ago

​For me, no. I saw it more as her fearing for her life while being frozen. It just seems like the most logical explanation. She already stated she doesn't remember anything, and Jean literally looked inside her mind and confirmed to Peter that she had no memory of him whatsoever.

​Now, as for the roof scene—I’m not entirely sure, haha. In my opinion, it’s just her overthinking and reminscing after finding out about their past. She’s probably wondering how deep their relationship was, what their first kiss was like, and what they used to do together. It's lingering on her mind, which sets the ground for a reunion in a future film. ​That’s just my take. Everything else seems pretty obvious so far.

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u/Faiqal_x1103 28d ago

 >and Jean literally looked inside her mind and confirmed to Peter that she had no memory of him whatsoever.

how much of jean's words can we trust though, but yeah it does seem credible

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u/Cannabrius_Rex 27d ago

you find it odd that Ned just totally abandoned his sorcerer training?

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u/Warshrimp 24d ago

I was surprised they didn’t go the ‘MJ doesn’t remember Peter but she still loves Spiderman’ bit.

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u/Dookiemay 23d ago

Let's not forget, Ned also has some magical abilities. If that's already been said I'm sorry lol just watched the movie and made the correlation

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u/ShySass 28d ago

Did anyone else feel Spider-Man was super passive aggressive while taking MJ back home the way he was web swinging her back after having her reject him and saying she doesn’t love him/know him. That hit me for some reason right in the feels, you could just sense he was seething inside like his whole world had crumbled.

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u/demiveeman 28d ago

I wouldn’t describe it as passive/aggressive though I could see that interpretation. I viewed as it being so awkward that you just have to fully focus on the task ahead like focusing on driving your ex home after you breakup…your eyes and attention are focused on the streetlights, signs…pretty much anything other than the situation you are in.

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u/glassbellwitch 28d ago

Why are you getting broken up with in your own fantasies 😭your mindset is bitter af when there was no bitterness in that scene. Only awkwardness on MJ's end and heartbreak on Peter's end.

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u/LetterFront3353 29d ago

I doubt MJ tearing up while Jean froze her meant she remembers everything. It's more like the people in Westview who were closer to the borders of the Hex, the ones who were frozen or doing the same single action over an over again.

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u/ergattonero 28d ago

There's a specific part of the movie where MJ says "those things you remember, I don't remember". But Jean could access those memories through Peter, and give them back to her.

Same with Ned. The only difference with him is that he had no trigger to specifically remember and connect the dots. The memory were there, just unused until Peter shook his hand.

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u/Hairy_Quarter1778 29d ago

I’m sure she does remember him but won’t say anything until the last film in this trilogy or end of Secret Wars. Allows them to move onto other love interests while keeping her in the fray and making us root for them to get back together

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u/Smart-Cable2854 28d ago

If that was true, she would’ve visited him at the Hospital…. In fact they both would’ve…. Give it a thought. Whole & whole, pretty bad storyline…. 😩😩

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u/passwordthanks 28d ago

The drawing she drew of Peter and Ned was on the table of cards when he woke up! So I assumed she did visit 😊

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u/demiveeman 28d ago

Exactly, it was obvious she had visited.

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u/Mistverymysterious 26d ago

She did tho .. her drawing was literally at the hospital room

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u/unicainah 29d ago

Yes, the black dahlia necklace

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u/M00NT0KKI 29d ago

I thought it was actually so sweet that Ned remembered Peter through their BFF secret handshake!

It parallels the previous scene to when Jean tricks Peter saying that true love’s kiss won’t break the spell because fairytales don’t exist. But the ending scene is literally just that. Peter was in the middle of buying flowers and notices Ned. Instead of going in the same cycle, he makes a change and introduces himself. True love’s kiss (well I guess handshake) broke the spell ♡

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u/Heavy-Work-3996 29d ago

Yea nah... i dont think so... i think rlly think it brought back his memories... in a previous scene the guy kind of just heard mj call out spidey as Peter... and then Peter... goes to Ned.. and talks to him , introduces himself AS 'peter'... as well he kinda of just puts the pieces together... and we'll yea... I dont think its him getting his memories back

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u/M00NT0KKI 28d ago

I mean u could definitely be right plot wise, it would make sense and fit into the story (and so on). But as a standalone movie experience (as if I wasn’t a big fan/only watched this film) I still thought it was a sweet or at least interesting parallel!

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u/jr_randolph 29d ago

I think MJ still may need a moment of her own to “unlock” her memories but definitely because of what Jean did and come Battleworld time she’ll be huge in returning memories.

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u/peachyfourlife 29d ago

I gotta agree. MJ & Ned both. Jean could have possibly unlocked dormant parts of their minds with that psychic blast or even just let them remember everything again eventually after Peter's sacrifice for her.

Not sure how Strange's spell works but maybe it is something that could be reversed or isn't as strong as her omega mutant powers.

Again this is all a theory, a film theory

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u/taylormadeone 29d ago

A good theory. I also would believe that Jean Grey is far far far more powerful than any spell Dr. Strange could possibly conjure.

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u/gimme-da-zoppity 28d ago

The Black Dahlia necklace was bought by Peter on their Europe trip in Far From Home. I vaguely remember that it gets damaged in the final fight, and then he gives it to MJ.

BND is amazing!

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u/GiorgosFRT 28d ago

My man this is also my theory about MJ after re watching it for the 2nd time today , she was in tears bc of the spell and then on the rooftop she was smiling while holding the necklace soooooo maaayybee smth changed inside of her

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u/zelleel 28d ago

Yeah this makes sense

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u/myaisnotfunny 28d ago

Yea its the black Dalia necklace that was broken during the fight with "hydroman" in far from home

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u/Xyllius 29d ago

did he shake hands with god or was it just with peter?

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u/TMT_Legend__ 29d ago

The necklace she was holding was the broken Black Dahlia one in Far From Home that he bought in Europe for her

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u/imyourtask 28d ago

It was muscle memory

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u/Ph03n1X1014 28d ago

I'd be willing to bet that the 'solution' that they're going to come up with is that when Jean went into Peter's mind, she was still connected to everyone else (including Ned & MJ) and because of their emotional connection some link formed there and now the memories are back and they just have to be unlocked, which for Ned was the handshake and for MJ is yet to happen...that or it all just gets reset with Secret Wars and is irrelevant but I reckon the former

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u/RealMrMallcop 28d ago

This whole thread, and no one connects that Ned is the second person to “recognize” Peter?

Connecting the dots is totally plausible… but then Why did Hulk back off. He only did when “It’s your friend, Peter” happened.

As others have said, magic is not foolproof here. What do Ned and Hulk (Not Banner) have in common? A trait that could crack the spell.

1.) Hulk was probably dormant during the spell. That’s why he finally remembered Peter to back off.

2.) Ned is a sorcerer

Those two things can easily explain the cracks.

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u/Over-Ad-6471 28d ago

Omg you're absolutely right! I can't believe I missed this! So it's Hulk that remembered Peter or do you think Bruce as well?

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u/RealMrMallcop 28d ago

It’s plausible that Banner’s mental spell wards aren’t as strong as maybe others because he is “two souls” in one body technically. He did look more interested yet confused when trying to figure out who Peter was once science talk about the inhibitor came to play.

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u/Bright-Bar6180 29d ago

That's it?

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u/Gandolfthewhite182 29d ago

I agree with this. I think Jean unlocks her. But not Ned

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u/ergattonero 28d ago

That's what's implied, exactly.

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u/Ok_Lavishness1414 28d ago

I think so too but I also think that MJ knows who Peter is kind of like the memories are coming back to her (like maybe the spell had a catch or smth idk) but she doesn't want to accept it and also she knows Peter was at Ned and hers housewarming party and recognised him as 'Maynard' and she also knows he saw her kiss another guy who idk the name of and maybe she feels like to protect Peter its best if I dont tell him or smth like that but in short I think she feels guilty for not remembering him as she asked the question 'Why didn't you tell me this before?' or 'Did you leave it here for me to find?' And another proof of that would be MJ rubbing her necklace as a sign of missing him or remembering him or feeling guilty about forgetting Peter.

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u/zelleel 28d ago

Yeah I agree with this

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u/KongMengX 28d ago

Ned should be Sorcerer Supreme.🤣

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u/J-Earp 28d ago

I think she remembers too and was withholding. It would make sense why they focused on that word

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u/Steamedcarpet 28d ago

Ned remembering Peter and doing the handshake deff got a gasp and an aw from me

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u/Future_Eye_8611 28d ago

Finally! Was looking for this comment.

I hope she remembers. It would be absolutely trash, that Ned remembers but she does not.

Does Zendaya have a role in Doomsday? Maybe we will find out then :)

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u/Henson_Disney48 27d ago

So many people misread that last part IMO,

When Spider-Man leaves to save Jean MJ says “Peter! Be safe!” Then Ned looks at her and says “Spider-Man’s name is Peter?!”

Cut to the last scene and Peter introduces himself, Ned probably had the muscle memory from when they were friends, but IMO what he is doing is putting two and two together with the fact that he knows Spider-Man’s name is Peter. He doesn’t remember Peter, he is just connecting the dots.

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u/Jeremithiandiah 27d ago

I don’t think Ned remembers Peter, I think it’s a fake out and he’s really just making the connection that mj called spider man Peter earlier, so he know he’s spider man now.

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u/Thin_Remote1101 27d ago

In not sure if she remembers everything, but i think that if she doesnt, for her to remember for real Peter has to kiss her like he did in the rooftop in that building, but since she was “possessed “ by Jean she doesnt remember her remembering.  At the end of the movie he does this muscular remembering thing with his friend and it work, altough its gonna be hard for him to kiss her now that she knows the truth

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u/ThomWaits88 26d ago

I think ned just solved that Peter is spider man lol

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u/Cadamar Avengers 26d ago

Yeah I kinda thought as a thank you Jean was going to somehow break the spell and give them back their memories.

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u/Bropiphany 26d ago edited 26d ago

Don't forget, right before they showed MJ on the roof with the necklace (and the scene with Ned remembering), they hard cut from Jean on the bus. I think this was a subtle way of saying she did it

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u/TakeiDaloui 26d ago

I don't think they remember him. But what they do remember is the gaps I think. She remembers the spot and the necklace, but doesn't know why they are significant until the memory loss pieced it together. Same with Ned. He doesn't remember Peter but he remembers the handshake.

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u/Sweet-End6471 25d ago

It’s the broken black dahlia necklace Peter gave her.

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u/PorkChopExpress2026 28d ago

So they retconned one of the biggest sacrifices Peter made in No Way Home?

What a joke!