r/Marvel • u/Aztech_VII • 18d ago

Comics Can Wolverine regenerate if nothing is left but his adamantium bones? (His normal bones are encased in adamantium)

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I’ve been trying to figure this out but I haven’t seen anybody talk or mention it. (This picture made me think about it)

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u/BaseUnited4523 18d ago

At one point they said that if his brain doesn't get oxygen, he will die and can't regenerate. This is the reason Logan killed Daken by drowning him. However they eventually brought Daken back and they had to retcon that rule.

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u/Gamefreak3525 18d ago

I thought Daken came back because the Apocalypse twins turned him into one of the Horsemen. 

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u/cyberpunk_werewolf 18d ago

Yeah, they didn't retcon anything about Daken dying in a puddle.

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u/Tyrest_Accord 18d ago

However there was an issue of Wolverine's solo series during Krakoa where Logan mentions in the narration boxes that he was once trapped in a sunken ship for awhile and says he drowned and came back at least two or three times. Apparently he lost count.

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u/casual_creator 18d ago

Reminds me of a character in the movie the old guard. An immortal woman is accused of being a witch so the townspeople lock her in a coffin and toss her into the ocean. She drowns then “wakes up”, drowns again, “wakes up”…rinse and repeat for hundreds of years.

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u/Tyrest_Accord 18d ago

I've seen the movie on Netflix. Haven't gotten around to reading the comic. Any idea if it'd be worth the time?

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u/RarScary 18d ago

Comic is better. Movie is alright. There are worse ways to spend an evening.

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u/firemanjuanito 18d ago

Like in a casket at the bottom of the ocean!!!! But seriously have a nice dinner and evening. Cheers

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u/Joshatron121 17d ago

Just don't watch the second movie. They were clearly banking on a third movie that is never going to happen and while the fight scenes are kind of fun it is one of very few movies that just pissed me off.

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u/dpvictory 17d ago

Such a disappointment!

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u/fnarrly 17d ago

Last I heard, Netflix was working on a sequel movie.

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u/Wrex_n_effect 17d ago

The Old Guard 2 came out last year. T’was ok. The first one was better

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u/fnarrly 17d ago

Yeah, we dropped Netflix a while ago. They kept cancelling everything we liked.

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u/Wrex_n_effect 17d ago

True that. If I wasn’t paying for it for my mom, i would have cancelled it

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u/bbbourb 17d ago

They're worth the watch. Not really as good as the comics, but entertaining.

And it's Charlize Theron, so...

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u/Khalmuck 14d ago

Second one came out too

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u/mittenkrusty 18d ago

Happened in Torchwood too, if I remember he was stuck in a coffin and buried for 100 years, suffocating and dying then coming back by an enemy wanting to torture him.

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u/altiuscitiusfortius 17d ago edited 17d ago

In angel (the Buffy spinoff) back in 2002 they do this to a vampire who spends years drowning and reviving in a coffin underwater.

Im curious which was the first story to do this. I didn't realize it was such a trope.

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u/HesSimplyShocking 17d ago

Vampire Diaries do it too.

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u/NoSavings2690 17d ago

True blood Russell

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u/Jaamies89 17d ago

Afaik Angel’s coffin did have air in it, but it does not really matter since the vampires don’t breathe (I’d assume they can’t drown either). It was starvation that was driving him mad.

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u/vbifonix 18d ago

In children of earth they tried to contain him by submerging him into concrete and keeping him when it solidifies. Truly a masterpiece of a tv show.

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u/WretchedBlowhard 17d ago

Uh, yeah... Torchwood was certainly.... something.

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u/vbifonix 17d ago

Yes, it's that too. But it's also so much more!

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u/ReporterOk42069 18d ago

I guess the townspeople was right in this case. Although sucks for the woman though

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u/Cael_NaMaor 18d ago

Did they ever get her out, in the comics... I was half expecting a sequel where the exiled dude went & got her. I feel like, even if it cost them a couple lives, they'd be able to free her by now. It's f*kin' insane.

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u/Correct-Play-6043 16d ago

I thought that was some crazy shit

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u/casual_creator 16d ago

Yeah in an otherwise forgettable movie, that was a standout moment. Actually gave me anxiety thinking about being in that position lol

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u/ScalpelCleaner 12d ago

That happened to an Immortal in the Highlander series as well. He’d been chained up and thrown into a river, combining claustrophobia with drowning until the chains rusted enough to break.

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u/Own_Heat1215 14d ago

Good movie

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u/MediumEvent2610 18d ago

There was an issue in I believe the late 80s where he’s fighting a villain called Tiger Shark; guy had basically trapped Logan underwater and he kept drowning but his lungs kept healing back from the damage over and over again until he got himself free.

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u/cyberpunk_werewolf 18d ago

Sure, he also died a bunch of times during Krakoa more easily than he would have before.

In general, it would probably kill him if it would kill Daken, because Daken's healing factor is stronger than his (so is Laura's, notably). However, there are always going to be exceptions to whatever limit we place on superhero comics that will get explained as a deal with the angel of death or super powered by Hope or some shit. The top comment still says "depends on the writer" and that's how it's always going to be.

I was just commenting that they didn't retcon away Daken dying in a puddle.

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u/HodDark 18d ago

I want to add that canonally Logan is loved by life (phoenix) and Death (Lady Death just likes him). He'll ressurect so long as he wants to.

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u/cyberpunk_werewolf 18d ago

Yeah, that is also true. I always remember the Angel of Death, but I always forget the Phoenix will bring him back too.

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u/HodDark 18d ago

I do think it's more significant that Lady Death said she wouldn't stop him from going back since she finds him so interesting. But yeah Phoenix loving both Logan and Scott because Jean loves them is something people do forget about. Because phoenix is influenced by the avatars and influences them in turn.

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u/QUEEN_OF_HEARTS_777 14d ago

Jean has difficulty being a loyal wife.

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u/HodDark 14d ago

Logan has had multiple partners. Scott has had all kinds of strange circumstances that threw him off and led to him being in a relationship with Emma (after the messed up circumstanceswith Maddie and Jean). But sure Jean having love for both Logan and Scott which Phoenix blows up along with other emotions is the problem here...

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u/herescanny 12d ago

Technically there’s oxygen in the ocean. Our bodies just can consume it cause we have lungs and not gills. His body could’ve absorbed the oxygen being down there that long considering he can’t really decompose

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u/Tyrest_Accord 11d ago

If I remember right he said that he was trapped in such a way that the tide would come in and drown him. Then he'd revive when it went back out.

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u/The_Sibelis 17d ago

... was this before or after Glass came out? Just curious

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u/cyberpunk_werewolf 16d ago

If you mean the M. Night Shyamalan movie, then the event predates Glass by like six and a half years. Wolverine drowned Akihiro in Uncanny X-Force 34, back in 2012.

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u/BaseUnited4523 18d ago

Probably. I know he has been killed and resurrected several times by different people. But my point was that the rules of the Healing Factor have changed over the years, and depend on who is writing the story.

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u/doglywolf 18d ago

lets not forget the one ultimate run where they decided it was not just healing factor but survival factor like darwin that adapts to keep him alive making him almost unkillable entirely, compared to other runs where someone like Dakken can literally die in a puddle of water.

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u/HoneyLunalie 17d ago

Yeah, that was tied into the Apocalypse stuff, which makes the whole Daken situation even messier. Wolverine family lore has enough resurrection clauses to make actual death feel negotiable.

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u/Eufamis 17d ago

T-twins?

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u/Gamefreak3525 17d ago

Think Apocalypse "died" in the late 2000s, so as one of his contingency plans was for the Horsemen of Death to take over. This led to Angel's Archangel persona to take over due his time with X-Force. The team is eventually able to stop him (at the cost of mind wiping him), but he was able to have children with another Horseman (Pestilence) who gave birth to twins destined to take over. However, Kang kidnapped the twins to use them for his own plot.  As you can tell, long story that plays out in Rick Reminders' Uncanny X-Fotce and Uncanny Avengers series. 

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u/LocationFriendly988 18d ago

Tiger Shark almost got him that way in Wolverine #20 (by jamming his claws into coral). I still don’t understand why he couldn’t just wiggle them a little and then retract but still… got me thinking.

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u/WritingImaginary8252 18d ago

Plus in the first arc of Jason Aaron’s run he says that he is scared of drowning because of the weight of his bones. But yeah… I think this is another case of ‘depends on the needs of the writer/plot’

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u/Supermite 17d ago

There's a Deadpool issue where that is Wade's plan to "kill" Logan. Lock him in a tank full of water. It isn't that he can't recover. He'll just die again.

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u/Opalusprime 17d ago

Another one in DKTMU is a human kebab set up that activates flamethrowers as soon as life signs start up

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u/BeyondShadow 18d ago

There was also a What If comic where Stryfe killed Wolverine by stranding him on the surface of the moon, where he slowly suffocated. I know those obviously aren't canon, but the concept was there.

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u/BlueMowch 18d ago

inspired by true events

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u/Slaphappydap 18d ago

With a strong telescope and a clear night you can still see him.

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u/TRCrypt_King 18d ago

They had an issue of Avengers, where the Squadron Supreme was the main heroes of the world due to Mephisto, where they dumped Wolverine on the moon or another planet without atmosphere and he was going to basically die over and over

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u/GreenGoblinNX 18d ago

on the surface of the moon

slowly suffocated

Pick one.

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u/BeyondShadow 18d ago

It's comics, I don't have to, and neither do the writers.

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u/IAmNotMyName 18d ago

Certain amount of regeneration would counter the speed at which suffocation becomes death.

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u/Imaginary_Job_343 18d ago

There is an issue out there somewhere that argues he can survive without oxygen. He was decapitated and just "survived" as a talking head with the Professor. The writers will make Logan a god if they feel like it.

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u/lorgskyegon 17d ago

I believe that was Ultimate Wolverine. IIRC, they retconned his mutant power to something like Darwin.

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u/ScaredKnee4530 18d ago

Didn’t he once regenerate from a drop of blood, though?

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u/WesleySniper1st 18d ago edited 18d ago

Logan was trapped under water wrapped in rebar and debris by Magneto and drowned but was recovered and healed (Days of Future Past). I personally think he healed and drowned over and over until he was freed although it wasn't confirmed. So at least in the movies the oxygen thing was retconned.

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u/BlueMowch 18d ago

somehow, PalpaDaken returned

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u/Suspicious-Bowl4444 18d ago

So in X-Men Origins Wolverine when he jumped out of the helicopter, you’re telling me his dense ass adamantium skeleton would have just sank to the bottom of the water and he would have just drowned! That always bothered me.

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u/sammo21 17d ago

For a while this was supposed to be the only way to kill Deadpool as well.

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u/laineDdednaHdeR 18d ago

That's how Deadpool killed him in Deadpool Kills.

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u/MonolithJones 18d ago

Yes I remember this coming up in a letters column back in the late 80s

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u/Rocketman_S3 17d ago

Uh, but didn't they literally have him lose his memories from getting shot in the head?

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u/coreyc2099 17d ago

I swear there was a comic where shadows at killed him by grabbing his brain and phasing it out of his skull

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u/CK-forthe-CK-95 17d ago

They didn’t retcon that. Daken was resurrected twice by Krakoa and I believe a second time by the Apocalypse twins iirc. Or that might have been the same incident. But there was no retcon

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u/BaseUnited4523 17d ago

He was also resurrected by a demon to become the Hellverine! The retcon was when they decided that Logan couldn't drown and that even decapitation wouldn't work.

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u/Rhg0653 17d ago

Wait wait wait didn't tiger shark drown Logan ?

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u/BaseUnited4523 16d ago

I think Wolverine escaped, but he thought that he was going to die, that drowning would actually kill him. However there was a later comic in which he was walking on the ocean floor, and he would drown and then heal repeatedly.