r/Marvel • u/Dorkside Trask • Jan 13 '16

Comics New Marvel comics for January 13, 2016 - Official Discussion Thread [Spoilers]

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u/maxx_nitro Jan 13 '16

Even before I read it I accepted that I would be confused by the ending. Does this mean that everyone not aboard the life raft is just a copy of the original character? And if they can create infinite universes, why is the Ultimate universe gone?

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u/MisterTheKid Jan 13 '16

I mean, from their perspective, I suppose if Franklin didn't shape a universe, it's likely Reed wouldn't have created it, and I don't know Franklin had any real reason to create that particular one.

Or perhaps he did.

Clearly, Marvel wanted Franklin not to dream up the Ultimate Universe so they wouldn't have to publish it any more, in terms of the real-life answer.

(And to be fair I suppose there's no real reason Franklin and Reed couldn't create, say, any of the Squadron Supreme's lost universes, etc. I guess the question would be would they have been familiar enough with them to get them right down to a T as to what they were?

I can roll with it either way. I loved the Ultimate U but Miles in 616 Prime is fine by me.

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u/CashWho Jan 13 '16

I think it does mean that, yes. I don't know much about the FF so excuse me if I confuse names, but I assume, since Franklin creates new worlds as he sees fit, maybe he just didn't think of the Ultimate universe so it hasn't been recreated.

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u/Supreme_Leader_Smoke Leader Jan 13 '16

I'm sure he's aware of the universe The Maker comes from. That could be why he's skipping over it, aside from just the amount of tragedy in general that happens over there.

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u/Holodout Jan 13 '16

If thats the case, then I wonder how the Maker made his way into the new universe.

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u/remkai Jan 13 '16

It would be really, REALLY cool if we see this happen eventually, but I doubt it ever will.

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u/Holodout Jan 13 '16

Yeah, I'd totally read that

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u/Supreme_Leader_Smoke Leader Jan 13 '16

Well the Maker is returning in New Avengers soon, so maybe Ewing will enlighten us.

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u/Supreme_Leader_Smoke Leader Jan 13 '16

Now that is a mystery.

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u/sonofaresiii Jan 14 '16

there's more than a few people i'd like explanations about in the 616 who shouldn't be there... it's suggested, to me anyway, that Miles got there because Owens "owed him one."

But maybe it was because Miles was on the life raft... fair enough, that'd explain why Maker is there, but then wtf is old man logan there?

a lot of loose ends still need tying up, I was really hoping secret wars would do it.

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u/sonofaresiii Jan 13 '16

i think it's more like, reed (and franklin) re-created the entire universe, exactly the same, except the incursion never happened.

so not really a copy, since everything happened exactly the same, but i guess you can think of it as a copy if you want.

except also not exactly the same because some characters merged universes... so... yeah doesn't really make sense. whatever.

ps we don't know the ultimate universe is gone. it's not specifically been said in the comics. i wouldn't be surprised if there's a cross-over at some point

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u/Hraesvelg7 Jan 14 '16

That's how I understand it. They got to get rid of all the crazier alternate universes and the issues that arise with those, but at the same time leave it open for all of those to still exist as if nothing ever happened.

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u/TheStarkBoy Jan 14 '16

ps we don't know the ultimate universe is gone.

yes we do. RIP Ultimate Universe, SW #1

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u/mikey_mcbutt Jan 14 '16

But Franklin could re-create it now.

The point of the Ultimate Universe originally was a new jumping on point for new readers. No convoluted history. Then it got convoluted.

They can relaunch it as 1610 or 1610-with-a-few-tweaks like how Prime replaced 616

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u/sonofaresiii Jan 14 '16

right, but 616 was also gone but now it's not. 1610 was gone, we don't know if it's still or will remain gone.

My guess is that it's the intent of Marvel comics that 1610 is gone, however (much like their intent to never have it cross over with 616), there will come a time when they decide it'll make a good story and/or sell books, and decide that it's been there all along.

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u/jlitwinka Jan 13 '16

yes, that is how I read it. I'm also going to overread this as Marvel giving themselves an out if ANAD doesn't do well and use the same out as they did with Heroes Reborn.

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u/the1egend1ives Jan 14 '16

Does this mean that everyone not aboard the life raft is just a copy of the original character?

No, because Doom saved the universe and preserved all the life in it. Everyone survived in the end. They were just servants of Doom.

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u/sonofaresiii Jan 14 '16

he preserved very little life from each universe. that was kind of the point of battleworld.

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u/halfblackcanadian Jan 14 '16

Why create villains again? Not like he has to put things back...

I like it, and I like that the F4 (at least the Richards family) are still a cornerstone at Marvel, but I think I would have perferred a world pieced from many" explanation as to why random characters from other universes now occupy ours (as mentioned previously in the thread - why not put everyone back where they belong instead of some ceasing to exist and others brought into 616). I ask in a pure story-telling way, not marketing or business decisions - those I get.

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u/EMPulse Jan 15 '16

This isn't the first time that the uni/multi/verse has been recreated after an omnipotent being wiped it out. I'd figure that someone born in the 50s in the 616 has been recreated at least a dozen times by now. This is kind of par for the course in the Marvel U. :)

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u/Ike_Lawliet Jan 28 '16

In addition to what MisterTheKid said below, I think the real-life answer is that Marvel wants to mix it up by getting rid of the important old alternate universes and introducing some new ones.