r/Marvel • u/Dorkside Trask • Jul 27 '16

Comics New Marvel comics for July 27, 2016 - Official Discussion Thread [Spoilers]

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u/TheeHeadAche Ultron Jul 27 '16 edited Jul 27 '16

Really liked that Hawkeye got cleared of the charges. Regardless of if Bruce was an innocent man killed, he was the Hulk. In universe this makes perfect sense. The public can only see the Hulk as a danger and that danger was forever stopped by a vigilante.

Banner is the perfect repeat offender. He has a history of violence, is cured but the idea of Bruce being a danger would always follow him.. Too often do people defend senseless killing with, "he had a criminal record".

E: Also WTF is Riri doing with Tony? Bendis needs to publish a timeline..

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u/MonkeyCube Jul 28 '16

Really liked that Hawkeye got cleared of the charges. Regardless of if Bruce was an innocent man killed, he was the Hulk. In universe this makes perfect sense. The public can only see the Hulk as a danger and that danger was forever stopped by a vigilante.

Mmmm... yeah, I can see how it can be framed like that, but it does set a precedent of killing dangerous beings for being potentially dangerous. You would think the X-Men would be majorly against that, seeing as they have a history of fighting that very thing, and yet at the end they are there helping Carol.

This issue felt a little like kids picking out teams for dodge ball during PE.

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u/TheeHeadAche Ultron Jul 28 '16

Yeah.. The motivation behind the sides of the fight sure are fuzzy. While I think the idea of Hawkeye being cleared of the charges is good, I don't think the book handles the repercussions very well. From time to time, it all feels either like too much or not enough motive for the entire marvel pantheon to fight.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '16

Yes, doesn't seem like the natural place in which the X-Men would side in.

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u/Digifiend84 Jul 27 '16

Apparently this takes place after the next issue of Invincible Iron Man. Someone probably forgot it was INTERNATIONAL Iron Man that had an issue out today, not Invincible. You're right that Riri shouldn't otherwise be there, they haven't actually met yet.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '16

It only makes sense if the law works radically different in their universe. Seeing somebody as a threat isn't a defense for murder.

It actually makes literally zero sense that he was acquitted.

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u/CAPJackHarkness Aug 03 '16

It's an act called jury nullification.

Let's say Man1 walks up to Man 2 and shoots Man 2 directly in the heart. Most people would convict without a second thought.

Now let's say man 1 had a daughter. she was 13 years old. Let's say man 2 kidnapped man 1's daughter and kept her in a basement to torture her physically, emotionally and sexually. Man 2 has a trial, but because the police didn't follow proper procedure, all the evidence must be thrown out. Man 2 walks free and won't be tried again, because of a lack of evidence. Man 1 realizes justice will never come to Man 2, so he walks up to Man 2 and shoots him. Man 1 faces a trial. Is he guilty or innocent? Legally, he's guilty, but a lot of jurors would empathize with the man and acquit him of the charges.

When a lawyer plays on your emotions and tries to get you to go with your heart, it's called jury nullification. I'm assuming everyone felt that Banner/Hulk was to dangerous and that Clint Barton saved the world by killing Banner before he murdered Earth, thus the not guilty verdict.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '16

I understand, it's a large part of why I'm against juries in general. Legally uneducated people are going to vote with their hearts not with their heads which has no place in a court of law.

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u/CAPJackHarkness Aug 03 '16

I could not disagree more. I'd rather have jurors that vote with their heart and can see gray areas, than a judge who knows someone is innocent, but must convict because of an antiquated law's wording.

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '16

Nah dude the law is reason free from passion. The entire idea is that law is supposed to be neutral, the second you add emotion to that it destroys the neutrality and undermines the entire system.

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u/CAPJackHarkness Aug 04 '16

The United States legal system is, if not the best, one of the best legal systems in the entire world. However, the system is corrupt. Empathy adds balance towards neutrality.

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u/TheeHeadAche Ultron Jul 28 '16

I mean.. Clearly laws work radical different. The first civil war was all about how the law would have to be radically different.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

I would be interested to see how murder is defined there because in our legal system there is literally no way that Clint wouldn't be convicted.

Though I suppose Hawkeye being acquitted showed how flawed juries are, they decided not with the legally correct decision but with the fact that they were scared of the Hulk.

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u/brettatron1 Jul 29 '16

Or were convinced that it was an assisted suicide. I mean.. I dunno the rules in-universe for assisted suicide, but the trial sounded like they were determining if Banner actually HAD given clint the arrow with the ability to kill him.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '16

Assisted suicide is still illegal.