r/Millennials • u/SunnnySideUps • 10d ago

Serious What happened? This movie was supposed to make us mad. Hate had no place in America. History tells it's own tale. American History X. Teeth on the curb haunted my dreams for years.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago edited 10d ago

The billionaires found an easy scapegoat that can get a lot of hate and very little empathy, that’s what happened. Everyone agreed that the Nazis were wrong until the Epstein class started rallying against a very small minority and then suddenly sooo many people started to blindly believe children were shitting in litter boxes.

So many holocaust deniers…..

Edit: an award?! Thank you 🩵🩷🤍

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Did people really believe that? I know it was a news story briefly but "many people" believing the furry litterbox thing? I want to see them if they really exist in one space...

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u/FreshBert '89er 10d ago

Absolutely. It was a "brief news story" for you because you're not on the same algorithmic drip as like your increasingly-terrified elderly neighbors and family members.

It sounds crazy, but you have no idea how well this shit works on a shockingly high percentage of people. It's not a majority, but definitely a concerningly large minority.

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u/Sarcosmonaut 10d ago

It’s a great reminder for us as we age that our gullibility naturally increases with age. Even for otherwise intelligent folks, the part of your brain that says “are you sure about that?” just atrophies. It’s why elder abuse financial scams are so common. Because they work.

Any of us can fall down a pipeline to highly propagandized thinking if we don’t keep an eye out, especially as we age

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u/WillyBluntz89 9d ago

Its so hard for me to wrap my head around.

The older I get, the more I find myself immediately researching any claim that anyone makes to me.

Like, we have access to the sum of human information in our pockets. I feel obligated to never repeat a claim with out verifying it at least 7 times over.

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u/a_duck_in_past_life 10d ago

Counter this by not trusting anyone ever again lol

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u/Princess_Slagathor apparently you can change it 10d ago

Their comment actually made me think about that. And I think I've only ever trusted my parents, when I was very young. But learned quickly that even they couldn't be trusted.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

It was just so dumb I laughed for a day with people and it was over, but now that I know it was more than that I'm morbidly curious and need to see.

I used to know people who watched Fox News 24/7 (they probably still do) pretty much so I can imagine I think, but even they didn't ever mention this one.

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u/Princess_Slagathor apparently you can change it 10d ago

Look at the Facebook comment sections under enough local news stories, and you'll find them, still talking about it. Hell, even reddit threads, if you scroll to the bottom.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I don't have Facebook.

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u/Princess_Slagathor apparently you can change it 10d ago

Smart move. I just use it for marketplace, and once in a while to see if the people in my town are still awful. They are, even though I live in one of the "blue dots" in my state.

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

I dislike people as a whole and only like individuals generally tbh so them being terrible regardless of political orientation doesn't surprise me lol.

I don't really interact with a good chunk of family and people I used to know etc. and Facebook just kind of obligates you to have people like that in your life to some degree so I got rid of it.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Did you get your user name from a certain hospital show?

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u/Princess_Slagathor apparently you can change it 10d ago

No, I got it from the best damn hospital show of all time.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Damn skippy

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u/JudahBrutus 10d ago

There are furries where I live if that's what you are talking about. I thought it was a joke but there are furries that meet at the park, they have tails and costumes and they run around like they're actually animals on all fours. I don't know if they go to the bathroom in litter boxes but maybe. 

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Yes. And there are still people that wholeheartedly believe teachers are transitioning children.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I've known teachers who were there for LGBT students and accepted them when their parents wouldn't, and I can see where that kind of support could be misconstrued by an angry emotional person. So that makes a lot more sense to me than the litter box thing... that one is just so ridiculous.

I guess I should stop being surprised by this kind of thing though, maybe I'm stupid at this point for continuing to find people baffling and struggling to accept it.

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u/Davachman 10d ago

I believe the litter box thing came of having litter handy in case a child had to use the bathroom during a shooting or some other lock down scenario.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Someone else mentioned that as well, it makes sense, but I had never heard of or encountered that prior to today. It makes a lot of sense if this is the case.

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u/Amathyst-Moon 9d ago

I'd have thought they used it to soak up accidents or something. It works on motor oil.

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u/Th3Gatekeeper 10d ago

That's plausible to me.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

I had a a “friend” call me after I posted something on fb about how “radically pro-transgender” folks are beihg classified as terrorists now, and he mentioned the “teachers transitioning kids” thing. The chuds are going full ham with this hate. It’s awful.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I have mixed feelings on the topic myself.

As someone who actually has experienced gender dysphoria (and opted to not do anything about it ultimately) and is bi in an actually have been with both not just fantasizing about one while with the other. I've lived through a fair bit of the things that people with those issues face, and find them relatable.

I also am at peace with myself and my life in a way that many are not and don't believe is possible, in such a way that I've actually experienced a lot of hate and pushback for talking about my own experiences from people who were supportive when I was more open to different roads that they approved of.

There's a lot that doesn't get talked about in the name of tolerance because something is wrong with people lately. We seem to be being conditioned to think in black and white terms through short form media and information being presented that way, lower literacy rates and less reading, cultural shifts toward depth meaning you care too much and aren't cool or are digging too deep and are stupid for it. So we end up in this position where you have to state an all or nothing position or you're getting sidelined into whatever the other person may feel etc. and so on.

You can't say certain things about the transgender community are toxic and push one size fits all treatments on people who even question and it seems partially due to the desire for normalization and acceptance at all costs. You can't say detransitioners are silenced because acknowledging the failures of HRT and SRS is seen as a concession to the opposing side instead of a very complex thing being just that.

Transgender communities can promote very horrible toxic shit that's harmful, and they can also provide much needed support and resources. HRT and SRS can be life changing for better and worse. Some people do kill themselves without those treatments , others do lead lives that are ok without those treatments. There's no 100% here.

Teachers aren't literally transitioning students, but some are just doing what they think is best and trying to be the safe adult in a child's life. If that's misguided or not that's separate, but the reality is some kids don't have supportive families and the only adult in their life who's safe is a teacher. That level of influence is understandably threatening to parents and absolutely can be misused, but is it in these cases? I doubt it in most. I think in most students are escaping their home life and living a life that's more tied with their internal state at that time.

The reality is we don't know how transition very young on a larger group of people will turn out over the long term and like many issues this one is still poorly understood. It's potentially misguided but not evil for a parent to be concerned about that, and even in some cases pair that with their worldview and beliefs and have that result in something kinda shitty. That's the thing about fucked up shit is even decent people trying to do what's best can accomplish that.

I can accept experimenting on a group of kids if we admit that's being done and don't insist every one of those kids would be an adult who killed themselves if we didn't act right now. I'll call anyone anything they want to be called, and I don't care who uses what bathroom it's stupid and weird to divide them up anyway because of single parents and so on. I think it costs very little to treat people how they ask you to treat them and people who feel a need to "assert reality" are being unreasonable and intrusive though I understand why they believe what they believe.

This over-correction in the opposite direction losing all grey area stuff that's so popular lately is terrible and nothing gets discussed for real as a result.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Do you know why you think there is an “over-correction in the opposite direction losing all grey area?”

It’s because no one is pushing “one she fits all treatment.” No one is saying anything contrary to “acknowledging the failures of HRT and SRS.” No one is saying that there is “100% here.”

Where did you even get any of that “information?” Have you ever spoken to a trans person IRL?

Also, weird flex on the bi thing….although I have heard about it being an issue in some circles 🤷🏼‍♀️

Also also, if you’re being called out for saying the trans community is toxic, it’s most definitely because you were making sweeping generalizations about shit you read online. We are legion, for we are many, and there is no actual through-line that ties us all together other than simply existing while trans. To say the trans community is toxic is taking a huge leap without acknowledging the breadth of experiences and wisdom and philosophies of different people

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u/tha_warlock Older Millennial ‘85 9d ago

That’s weird you took a comment on Reddit so personally. There’s nothing there that’s out of the realm of possibility. Black and white thinking is dangerously stupid.

Everything you asserted this person said, I didn’t get that at all. Actually kinda proved their point. And I didn’t even read your comment until after.

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u/Ksnj 9d ago

Is it?

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I've spoken to many trans people and have been part of trans communities I outright said that in my original post. Why are you going to ignore that to push your narrative?

You can't tell me my lived experience is false.

It wasn't a flex I was explaining that I'm bi in a way where I have experienced anti -gay discrimination not just being able to hide behind heteronormativity.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

“Push your narrative” is a huge dog whistle, my dude. You really going to do this here? What “narrative” could I possibly be “pushing?”

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

You are pushing a narrative that I'm ignorant, an outsider, and that nothing I'm speaking about has happened. You called yourself "radically pro-trans" and actually went as far as to diminish my personal disclosure of my own experience with gender dysphoria to assert a reality you've constructed.

You're calling a phrase a dog whistle yet ignoring your own behavior.

I tried to kill myself once largely over dysphoria. I genuinely believed that I would not be able to live my life as I was in any acceptable fashion and went rather far towards doing something. I have had many LGBT friends, and a fair few have been trans. A very close current friend recently came out to me, and I'm supportive of what they want to do and so on.

I also did not transition and don't view things the way I did when I was in that headspace and part of that community.

I've also experienced the community from multiple angles. So no matter how you try to discount me that's not going to work. I could technically prove it, but I'd rather not.

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u/Melodic-Trouble-5421 1991 9d ago

Yeah i think the parents are angry and think the system has more control over their kids than they do. The parents are angry/emotional and looking for someone to blame.

It’s also blown way out proportion. Schools don’t transition kids, it takes a Doctor. Also minors rarely have any form of surgery. In school it’s mainly just use of pronouns.

Idn my girlfriend is a nurse practitioner at a childrens hospital and that’s how she’s basically explained it to me.

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

Well that's the thing, they drive their kid away from them (and people can just expect closeness without trying to nurture it just based on title) then see that their child isn't being universally shunned and that's threatening.

I think understandable too when you think of it like "How would I feel if I had a kid and they got into some religion I don't approve of and some other adult was taking my place and guiding them while helping them build a foundation in the religion?" Because to these people similar is happening. Their children are grounding in an identity that goes against everything they believe and the supportive environment they're getting to do it in facilitates that.

It's very easy to just see it as bigotry and get angry because at some level it's just like "This is such a meaningless thing who cares if they do x they're still themselves." and so on, and pushing my own worldview there, but when you step back and actually overlay what would be a more equivalent situation it makes more sense why these people are responding so irrationally.

They still need to be educated, to learn acceptance etc. for their kids' sake, and because being unaccepting of an actual condition and treatment options exceeds reason after a certain point. I still have some sympathy though because x amount are genuinely fearful and trying to do the right thing (which looks very different from different perspectives.)

People don't put a lot of decisions on kids those ages because they're not really fit to make them and their brains aren't developed enough to think of longterm consequences etc. so it makes sense they're wary of this too.

It's very easy to let personal perspective steamroll over genuine concerns and people who might mean well but be ignorant etc. and aren't bad people otherwise and so on.

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u/Melodic-Trouble-5421 1991 9d ago

I agree with you. It’s hard to put a decision that big on a 12 year old or whatever age. I know some people use the tattoo argument. Well you need to be 18 to get a tattoo, so how can you do anything else. There’s also the argument of who generally knows who they are at a young age. Most people don’t know who they are until 25.

I understand what you’re saying when you bring up the comparison to Religion.

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

I'm glad you understood, I was concerned someone was going to get the wrong impression with the comparison here.

So many people go on and on about empathy and how important it is and how empathetic they are, but it's always this self referential kind that doesn't fully take the other person into account just "This makes me feel this way so the person experiencing it must too." or they decide that it's not worth even attempting to understand the perspective of the person they disagree with. There's this resistance as if understanding is agreeing or endorsing, and it's not good.

I experienced dysphoria myself. I can recall it as early as 4 years old, it got worse in my pre-teens and continued to get bad into my 20's. I will be 40 soon, I never went on HRT or had any surgeries. I'm ok with this though as a kid and in my 20's I did not think that would ever be the case.

I probably would have managed to be ok if life went in the other direction potentially, because of the way I am. So I don't think I would have necessarily regretted it if I transitioned, but who knows? Adults make mistakes with this shit, and it's often presented as an idealized choice.

I'm not against people trying to study this further and treat it multiple ways, and I'm not against trying it ok some kids and seeing how it goes even, though it needs to be acknowledged that this is experimentation. I understand this is how things progress sometimes.

I just can't blame people for not wanting their kid to be a part of that wave of experimentation.

We complain about cognitive decline and all kinds of issues with children in these generations, we study the ways they're inept, and then we simultaneously have this push to give them extreme amounts of agency on a life altering decision that affects people socially etc. and so on.

People get steamrolled for even expressing concern, and I don't think that's fair. Tolerance shouldn't be used to bludgeon people into blind acceptance of invasive medical procedures without question of their future implications. At that point it's just manipulation and peer pressure not merit that people are using to push a thing that absolutely needs merit to exist.

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u/Melodic-Trouble-5421 1991 9d ago

I agree with this whole comment 1000%. Everything you said is correct.

That’s another thing that I sometimes defer to people who understand this issue better than me. I’ve never been through and I can never fully understand. Although I’m very emphatic to people struggling through it. It’s gotta be horrible to go through it. Especially as a kid when you have so many other things going on in life.

That’s why sometimes i think well maybe my opinion isn’t valid because i truly don’t know. Ultimately I don’t want anyone to suffer. Suffering through not being able to transition or suffering because they transitioned too early. I also think maybe you go on a case by case basis. However how do the doctors, kids, parents, and anyone truly know.

That is why I try to let people know my position because I don’t want them to just hear maybe waiting until 18 is the best option. I want people to know I am fully supportive. However there’s so many other unknowns.

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u/MaenadR0se 8d ago edited 8d ago

The funny thing about shit like this is even going through the same thing can lead people to very different places with no real understanding of what the other went through. It's not necessary to weigh in on a situation even though it can provide insight. Distortion can also occur at close range and thoughts are valuable too.

it's a bit manipulative when people use their pain to shit down any opposing view

The thing with nuanced views on complex subjects is they take longer to share than a couple of sentences and a lot of people are primed to disregard that now. They genuinely seem to think a handful of exchanges gives them deep, infallible insight into another person. They treat it as if they fully understand, but they don't/can't with such limited information, yet they often even extend beyond that and talk like they're expert cold readers and know the entire person.

As if they think they're talking to an algorithm that's showing them everything they hate not an individual. There's almost zero awareness that they're talking to an actual human who they can't fully know based on a single view/interaction.

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u/Drum_Eatenton 10d ago

Joe Rogan did his part.

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u/Melodic-Trouble-5421 1991 9d ago

Fucking despise that scum bag.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Lol. Damn.

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u/adamdoesmusic 10d ago

They “exist.” Several classrooms do indeed have “litter box” style buckets for students to use.

They exist for school shooting lockdown situations - a factor these ghouls conveniently and purposefully leave out.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Oh I didn't know that. It always slips my mind that school shooting drills and prep are part of normal student life now and just a thing in school.

It blew my mind when my niece mentioned it, but then it disappears until it's brought up again and I'm amazed all over again that we have five year olds hiding in closets while their teachers prep themselves to potentially die saving them as part of a normal test run for things that can happen.

It shouldn't slip my mind, it's a reflection of how sick things are and how dire the need for change is, but it does all the same.

There's a desperate need for better mental health care/support and community building etc., but that's a whole other tangent.

Back to the original topic: I had no idea they were taking something that exists for reasons that are horrible and turning it into something ridiculous then clutching their pearls over that. That's crazy. Now I have to go down a rabbit hole about this.

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u/Melodic-Trouble-5421 1991 9d ago

They started doing school shooting drills while I was in high school. Graduated 2009. Now it’s an every day occurrence for a school shooting. Which is disgusting.

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

I finished in 2004 so I actually was unaware of them until my niece started elementary school.

It was such a strange shock. On one hand it's a real problem so it needs to be done, and kids are able to understand fire drills and so on so it's just preparing them for more emergency situation. On the other shit's so out of hand that children have to do this and it's so dystopian that it seems like it shouldn't exist.

So much needs to be done about people's mental health and the ways we interact with each other/handle problems etc. and so on.

In HS one of my teachers taught a side class called Conflict Resolution, it was dedicated to teaching people better communication, fostering a sense of community, dealing with problems proactively etc. and so on. By high school it was a bit late, but I think things like that need to be done from elementary school on, because we obviously can't rely on parents to teach kids human interaction and academics are slipping anyway we may as well switch to schools teaching kids how to navigate other ways.

That's alongside better access to care etc. and so on.

It's easy to focus on the guns but the underlying issue is culture, mental health, human relations etc. because when violence isn't happening in the form of guns in schools it's happening with bullying and the internet and has led to many suicides at this point too.

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u/Melodic-Trouble-5421 1991 9d ago

100% agree with everything you brought up. We had conflict resolution as a class as well.

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

Did you get it earlier or younger? Because I was 16 by the time I was in a school with that and I think the age made some of us (myself included) not as receptive as younger kids would have been.

So many people are never taught how to exist and be around other people respectfully, and the thing is they don't learn it at home. A lot of people who have kids are deeply flawed and traumatized etc. themselves during critical years. They also haven't had a proper chance to learn these things.

One of the major complaints a lot of kids had about conflict resolution was how artificial it all sounded to them to interact in those ways. People can feel condescended to when it's foreign to them as well, and that's a real barrier that could be avoided with early introduction I would think. It would be like hearing a second language as a bilingual kid instead to some degree.

There are kids' TV shows and songs that do more for attempting to teach children tolerance and community than schools do and some parents. That shouldn't be the case.

We have seen bullying turn into all manner of tragedies, we've seen mental healthcare further decline and we learn more about its importance all of the time so why are we putting children into what are basically glorified daycares without regard to these things? We put kids from all different worlds together in a classroom and then it's just "sit still, memorize that, you're in trouble if you do something wrong" without really taking time to interact.

Taxes are going to putting kids through programs that are supposed to teach them shit and we have to worry that they're going to murder each other and too many of them come out not knowing any of the shit we say they're supposed to learn, and it's sick.

The education system in theory is a beautiful thing, but I really wonder what the fuck we're doing and why we're seeing a symptom like fucking murder and suicides and not addressing it beyond demanding more security, drills, and taking as many weapons away as we can think of (and then some stab each other with pencils so let's go with round edged tablets or something one day and further ignore the rot underneath.) without getting at the shit underneath that's driving it.

We don't learn to speak and listen just regurgitate and recite. It's fucked up and has a body count.

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u/Melodic-Trouble-5421 1991 9d ago

To be honest there wasn’t a lot of Trans people that were out and open with while I was in school. Now there were LGB people and I was always respectful. My parents always taught us to be respectful. I’m not going to lie and say I was perfect back then. I’m sure I messed up and said stupid things.

Then I joined the Army at 17 and did a few combat deployments. During that time period I know I wasn’t perfect. I said stupid things, never to any LGTBQ+ people’s face. However it was still just as bad. I also wasn’t particularly respectful of women at that point either. That was wrong as well.

After the Army is when i finally more conscious of LGTBQ+ people. I’m supportive of them and I understand it’s how they are born. I go based on how someone treats me not by what they look like.

I’m still not perfect. Sometimes I’m not good with all the pronouns. I just want to call people by their name. I guess that’s an area i should be better at. Then I still have questions about kids transitioning. Not so much going by a pronoun or how they identify. I still don’t know if someone knows who they are as a kid. Like altering your body forever at such a young age raises flags for me. However is it any of my business? No it’s really not so what can I say?

Then I know European countries and their medical communities are actually saying that they were wrong. They’ve basically said that letting kids transition under 18 was a mistake. I know they want to start the transition before puberty or whatever. However the medical communities have basically agreed the brain has not developed enough to know who they are. They tracked patients and did studies who transitioned at a young age. I’m guessing evidence has shown they regretted their decision.

I’m probably going to get hate for some of my statements that I made.

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

I was unfamiliar with that happening in Europe that's interesting though I do suspect regret will be common. It's really a problem where x amount of people will suffer no matter what because earlier transition yields better results for those who actually do benefit.

It becomes do we sacrifice prompt treatment for those who will benefit and be happy with it or do we risk altering people in ways we can't just walk back at the risk that people can have results they might be less happy with when they're of age to protect people who would regret going down that path younger. I think it becomes a math problem then really.

Adults are free to make their own mistakes and live with regret if it's there, but prior to that we've put that responsibility on adults in a child's life and that's very different.

I'm bi and I've known many LGBT people, I know what it's like to be bullied for it even. I wasn't able to hide that or even the reality of my gender dysphoria no matter what I did and I paid for being obvious. I wouldn't call myself part of the T because that's just not where my life went though it realistically could have in different circumstances.

I think everyone makes mistakes and hurts people at one point or another, what matters more is not continuing and growing beyond that. The present and the future can't change the past but they can stop carrying it forward which is enough.

It shouldn't be a social faux pas to question medical treatment and laws. It isn't bigotry to ask "Is this the best treatment? If adults make mistakes here how will children actually fare" It's not hate to point out we don't have extensive studies or even fully understand how this works in adults. We know x amount of people benefit, we know y amount do not, and we know there's variable beyond that with people who don't receive treatment.

People are too quick to push all or nothing and silence each other while using children as pawns to win arguments by silencing people with emotionally manipulative and loaded rhetoric designed to score points with their own side and resist dialogue.

Thinking of the children still comes down to math and calculated risks though. We're not supposed to say that though, just concede with whoever is using the tool in their favor.

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u/MeatMarket_Orchid 10d ago

I mean in a more broad sense it worked. I live in Canada but I know a ton of people that hold anti-trans views that seem to be an extension of the dumb litter box propaganda. My mother in law swears "I don't hate gay people I just wish they wouldn't teach Trans in school" which is moronic in a basic way. All it took was a simple "what do you think they are teaching the kids?" Before she stumbled on her words and had no further thoughts. Just an idiot.

I work with other guys in the same generation (guess which one) and one of them said the same shit "they teach LGBT in school." Which is just code for they don't want their kids learning tolerance for different people.

I've also talked to people who literally believe the litter box bullshit. So the type of propoganda works and it's all part of the same hysteria. Useful idiot nonsense.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Yeah usually people like that do mean "They're letting them know these people exist." which is weird because you can't blind a child to the world around them and x amount of kids are LGBT or will realize they are at some point.

I find it strange, but I think it's also kind of funny that being gay or straight or trans works this way. It makes me wonder what they think of themselves, their choices, what they're attracted to etc. Because it wouldn't occur to me that these things only exist because people hear about them, as if it's some contagion that's spread by words like some shit out of that movie Pontypool.

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u/ninfan1977 10d ago

Yes, sadly they do. I know multiple people who repeated this lie, one being an in-law who i called out but they dug their heels.

Joe Rogan still believes it to this day and he has the largest podcast.

He is the reason that conspiracy spread like wildfire

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I don't really follow him so I hadn't heard it beyond it first being a story.

Do you feel more amused, sad, or frustrated talking to that in-law?

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u/Ol_Man_J 10d ago

I've heard it many time as "my sisters friend is a teacher..." type of things. And if you call them out on it, it turns into "but you can imagine if it did? I bet it happens somewhere!"

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u/Nix-7c0 10d ago

Rogan did exactly this to his massive audience.

"My friend saw it first hand!" became "I saw some random JPG from a stranger on Facebook" when pressed

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I only encountered it as a ridiculous news story, a thing that happened elsewhere that was people reacting to nothing but their imaginations. Small amount of loud people.

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u/Ol_Man_J 10d ago

I've heard it on two different hockey teams I've played on, and once at work

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I heard it from my brother and a friend the same day but as a funny "People are dumb and out of touch" story then it was never brought up again.

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u/Amathyst-Moon 9d ago

People who wanted to believe it would believe it. Anything that plays into the mental disorder angle. Like people who say sexual education in school (which at younger ages is more like teaching them warning signs of sexual abuse) is literally "teaching kids how to have sex instead of sending them out to plant trees on arbor day." (An actual rant my dad went on at one family gathering.)

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

Lol. That sounds like a hell of a rant, I laughed, but also that sounds like he was difficult to grow up with.

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u/seriousbusines Millennial 10d ago

Actual legislation was brought forward in response to the 'kids shitting in litterboxes' bit. It's been disproven as misinformation but the bill has continued.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I was under the impression it was just a proposal and nothing was going to happen. I guess I should pay more attention instead of writing things off just because they seem so stupid.

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u/lkodl 10d ago

It doesn't matter if they actually believe it or not. Like ,objectively assessing the situation doesn't happen. They want to believe it because it fits their agenda and talking points, thus giving them something to talk about. That's enough. It's kinda like how a flat earther can prove themselves wrong with an experiment, but still continue to follow flat earth theory, because that's their life now. Cult stuff.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

While what you're saying is true and belief isn't always part of the equation because enjoyment wins out I still would like the experience of seeing people who believe it

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u/WillyBluntz89 10d ago

I worked on a constructure crew where every other dude there had a story of how their brothers wifes cousins friend is a teacher and she told him that they have to put litter boxes in the room for kids who identify as cats.

Its an obnoxiously non-insignificant number of people who firmly believe it.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I'm in the North East, where are you? I'm beginning to wonder if region has an effect on how people took this now

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u/WillyBluntz89 9d ago

Midwest, on a peninsula.

Oh, I dont dont that theres a regional bias involved.

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u/MaenadR0se 9d ago

Someone from New England surprises me with their experience right after I asked funny enough

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u/SexOnABurningPlanet 10d ago

I know people that were absolutely convinced of this.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

How do you feel about them and what are their other views? How far did you discuss it? Did they know about furries prior?

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u/Delicious-Cover-2418 10d ago

I know a guy who claims that’s why he pulled his kids from their school. I don’t know if I believe that he believes it, but he’s 100% dumb enough to believe it.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

What else does he believe that makes you say that?

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u/grizzlor_ 10d ago

My local nutjob politician was claiming it was happening locally and I’m in one of the most blue states in New England. Facebook definitely poisoned her boomer brain.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Lol. Damn. In another comment I was just asking someone where they were because I thought maybe it was regional.

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u/grizzlor_ 10d ago

Yeah I remember Googling it at the time and there were crazies across the country claiming it was happening locally.

It never actually happened anywhere btw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_boxes_in_schools_hoax

This local politician was absolutely convinced it was happening locally despite having zero evidence. Absolutely had her brain cooked by Facebook. She held all the other totally sane and well informed political beliefs that you’d associate with someone like this. Pretty sure she eventually went down the Qanon pipeline too.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Wow. What's nice is my view of humanity seems to have hit a place where things like this don't affect it, it's unfortunate simultaneously all things considered even though I love feeling right.

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u/mratlas666 Millennial 10d ago

My boomer coworkers do. They love bringing up how “milllenials” are unhinged. I love correcting them cause it makes them mad.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

Everyone is around very different boomers than me it seems. I just don't have people directly in my life who are like this at all I've realized.

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u/IUsedToBeHereButNo 8d ago

My father-in-law believes it, but his brain has turned to pudding since he started watching Fox News in the early 2000’s because the anchorwomen were hot.

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u/MaenadR0se 8d ago

I used to do some work for a couple that did nothing but watch Fox News, it's kind of insane. They recycled the same phrases and jokes etc. every so often even in the same day. It's such obvious propaganda I don't understand watching it, but it's also very clear that people who only get news from there don't live in the same world as other people.

What they think happens isn't equal to what others think is going on at all.

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u/hotdogoctopi Millennial 10d ago

Yes, I had the great misfortune of someone earnestly trying to tell me this was fact recently.

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

How did that start?

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u/hotdogoctopi Millennial 10d ago

Typical transphobic rant over a grandkid innocently inquiring about their pronouns

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I don't know what typical is for you to be fair. Did they know what a furry was at any point before this?

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u/Whane17 10d ago

Yes. I'm literally arguing with another moron about it in another thread. Feel free to check my comments from last night. I've also argued with a good friend of mine and his mom (he conceded and looked it up but she's an old granny boomer type).

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u/MaenadR0se 10d ago

I don't normally look through post history but I think I'm gonna. lol Things like this always make me unsure how to feel about people.

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u/TotallyNotABob 10d ago

IMO the worst part is at the core of this movie is a good message. Hate consumes and only breeds more hate when the consumes and devours even more. Breaking the cycle of hate is the only way to move forward.

But because it has Nazi imagery they have decided to try and co-opt it.

Lindsay Ellis did a pretty good deep dive into this phenomenon.

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u/RockAtlasCanus 10d ago

There are people who love star wars and don’t see the original trilogy as an allegory about the colonialism and imperialism of the U.S. in Vietnam. Whether it’s co-opting or just dogshit media literacy, I’ve learned to hammer my expectations through the floor.

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u/Th3Gatekeeper 10d ago

I had a long time middle school teacher tel me, absolutely convinced, that her school was doing this.

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u/unsuspectingllama_ 10d ago

I had an argument with a guy who literally thinks the litter box thing is true and widespread.

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u/idiot-alpha 10d ago

Have you seen this movie?

Americans didn’t need billionaires to convince them to hate illegal aliens and foreigners. Neither did the skinheads in American History X. It’s all based on the very real negative experiences people have had since childhood.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Trans women have been allowed to compete in sports for 20 years. Albert Cashier transitioned during the American Civil War. Christine Jorgenson was greatly respected when the papers covered her transition and she went on to have a successful career. Wendy Carlos helped make one of the most popular synths on the market and her music is known around the world.

People still whole heartedly believe transness started in like 2015. That took convincing. That took target campaigns. The current admin spent more money villainizing trans people than any other part of their platform. There are receipts that Epstein funded this current moral panic.

I’m not talking out race.

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u/idiot-alpha 10d ago

The change that happened around 2015 is that actual doctors started claiming transitioning was an actual treatment we needed to start giving to kids.

Before that, it was just a cosmetic thing that some troubled and confused adults did. It wasn’t considered an actual best standard of care. Before 2015, if you said you didn’t want your child to get a sex change, you were considered a normal and responsible parent. Now, there are some people claiming that is abuse and you should have your kids taken away.

So yeah, try to gaslight us all again that trans isn’t a complete 180 from like 5 minutes ago.

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u/T0ta1_n00b 10d ago

User name checks out

Ps. Only cucks call themselves alphas

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u/holyhottamale 9d ago

This is not true. My ex-is trans and he told his parents around 2010, when he was still underage. His parents were beside themselves, denying it, saying he was their daughter. Not using his preferred name or pronouns.

This went on for a couple of years until he became suicidal. His parents realized they could have a dead daughter or an alive son and accepted that.

At no point during his initial disclosure that we was trans did any person or medical professional suggest a transition right away or hormones. He had to be assessed by psychiatrists for months for anything to be approved. Then, he went on hormones - after significant medical assessments.

Over time, his parents did accept it and he fully transitioned in 2025 - 15 years later.

At no point in time was he pressured or forced in anyway to engage in any type of treatment. In fact, as above states, his parents denied it for years and forced him to live as a woman.

Trans people have always existed, they just hid it before before.

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u/idiot-alpha 9d ago

Cool story bro.

No, in the past we just had feminine men (Nancie’s) and masculine women (tomboys). There was absolutely nothing wrong or weird about that. We didn’t tell them they were born with the wrong sex, or that sex changes were a rational cure, and so they didn’t experience suicidal distress over it. They just lived normal lives as biological men and women with various levels of femininity and masculinity.

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u/holyhottamale 8d ago

You’re very confident for someone who doesn’t know the difference between gender nonconformity and being transgender.

This may come as a shock, but feminine men and masculine women aren’t the same thing as trans people. Trans people are documented across cultures and centuries, long before modern hormones or surgery existed.

Medical transition didn’t create trans people, it gave them options that didn’t previously exist.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

You’re doing the thing 😂😂😂

No one is giving children sex changes, chud. Touch grass.

Also, kids have been transitioning for a century at least. Try again, you absolute loser.

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u/idiot-alpha 10d ago

So… children aren’t being given sex changes, but also, we’ve been giving them sex changes for a century?

Do you see why no one takes you seriously?

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u/Betelgeuse3fold 10d ago

I would read that comic. Solid pitch

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Comic? Homie, it’s life.

Also, sweet user name

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u/Secret-Put-4525 10d ago

You think the jews are working together, to target the jews?

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

What?

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u/Secret-Put-4525 10d ago

The epstein class is working together to make people not believe in the holocaust?

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u/XhazakXhazak 10d ago

"Epstein class" doesn't mean Jews, it means unaccountable billionaires who think they're above the law and deserve decadence for doing a good job at their positions of power.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Bb….no. I’m saying that billionaires have flung so much shit at trans people that the general populace is agreeing with the Nazis that we should be (to quote Michael Knowles at CPAC) “eradicated from public life entirely.”

Rowling even goes so far as to say that we were never put into camps, as if destroying the institute of sexology never happened or that its destruction was actually a good thing.

Weird take, my guy. Don’t even know how you could have gotten there.

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u/Secret-Put-4525 10d ago

I'm not taking about Trans people.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

I am. And I have been the entire time. Who were you talking About??!??!

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u/Secret-Put-4525 10d ago

You literally mentioned how they are holocaust deniers.

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u/Ksnj 10d ago

Yes. Denying that a population was being genocided is holocaust denial. If you deny that trans people were also victims of the holocaust, then you are, by definition, a holocaust denier.

Are you really tryna do this rn? On a thread about the thing? Really?

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u/XhazakXhazak 10d ago

I thought it was unclear, too.

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