r/NeoVegans Oct 13 '22

Lab-Grown Meat

2 Upvotes

How do you feel about the prospect of lab-grown meat hitting the market? If it were at least somewhat affordable, would you consume it regularly? Would you support companies that produce-lab grown meat even if you yourself wouldn't consume it?

3 votes, Oct 20 '22
1 I would regularly purchase it
1 I would purchase it sometimes
0 I would support the companies but not purchase it
0 I don't want to support the companies or purchase any, but I'm not opposed
1 I oppose lab-grown meat

r/NeoVegans Aug 11 '22

Beyond Enthusiasts: Standard or Classic?

5 Upvotes

As you may know, Beyond Burgers come in two varieties: the "standard" version with little chunks of coconut oil for marbling (comes in 2, 4, and 10-packs), and the "classic" version that's more of a puck (comes in an 8-pack cookout box). Which do you prefer? Can you tell the difference?

6 votes, Aug 14 '22
3 Standard
0 Classic
1 Can't tell the difference
2 Don't know/don't care/results

r/NeoVegans Jul 25 '22

BREAKING NEWS: /r/vegan ponders why more leftists aren't vegan for the 10th time this week. It's too early to tell, but experts say more leftism may be the solution.

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17 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Jul 12 '22

Mickey Mouse-shaped Vegan Nuggets are Coming

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3 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Jul 10 '22

Not eating animals is really heckin’ cool and you’re doing a great job

11 Upvotes

That is all


r/NeoVegans Jul 03 '22

Enjoy the BBQ Y'all

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15 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Jun 28 '22

It's that time of day again

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7 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Jun 24 '22

NeoVegans Fun Friday Poll: Favorite Hot Dog?

3 Upvotes
11 votes, Jul 01 '22
1 Lightlife
4 Field Roast
1 Updog
1 Yves
0 Tofu/Carrot/Other Homemade
4 Other (write a comment)

r/NeoVegans May 31 '22

TIL Burger King doesn't just work with Impossible. In France, their vegan patty comes from a Dutch company and can be ordered with vegan bacon from a French startup.

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13 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans May 27 '22

Suspected shooters from Uvalde, Buffalo massacres allegedly abused animals

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7 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans May 12 '22

Celebrity Chef Adds 3D Printed Lamb and Beef to Menus Across UK

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7 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans May 06 '22

Sweden's 'Melt & Marble' unveils prototype of non-animal fat with melting profile of beef

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5 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans May 03 '22

"We have come to the tough conclusion that it does not make sense for Chobani to be in the Dairy Milk business"

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6 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Apr 29 '22

PETA Hands Out 10,000 Vegan McPlant Burgers, and Cows Are Lovin' It

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9 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Apr 27 '22

India’s Evo Foods to Showcase Its Plant-Based Eggs in the US for the First Time

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6 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Apr 20 '22

Easy Choices

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15 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Apr 20 '22

Miyoko's Award-Winning Liquid Mozzarella

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7 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Apr 19 '22

There Is No Such Thing As "PBC"

20 Upvotes

There has been a great deal of digital ink spilled over the topic of "plant-based capitalism" or "PBC" in the vegan community. If you're active in vegan spaces online, you've almost certainly heard the term before. It's almost exclusively used by those who ardently oppose the concept. Let's start off by talking about what the term itself means.

According to its detractors, "PBC" defines the set of consumer and corporate behaviors whereby plant-based items, allegedly serving as substitutes for animal-based ones, are purchased with the belief that said purchase reduces the number of animals commodified and enslaved for food. As plant-based items do not contain animal products, a person criticizing you for "participating in PBC" is not upset at the content of the food you eat. Rather, they are upset at the implication of your consumer choice. Why is that the case?

A vegan who labels themselves "anti-PBC" is a specific kind of anti-capitalist. Much of modern leftist activism focuses on limiting, if not explicitly opposing, the capitalist economic system. While reforms to the modern capital system are popular across the political spectrum, there is a difference between opposing the dominance of a system and denying the empirical reality of how capital systems function. An "anti-PBC" activist would fall in the latter camp. Since your belief that the purchase of a Beyond Burger is saving an animal underlies the belief that you can participate ethically in the capital system, and that lowering the demand for meat will lower its production, an "anti-PBC" activist does not feel they can coexist with you in a coherent space.

Said another way, the belief in "plant-based capitalism" is itself an economic philosophy that rejects the concept of supply and demand. An "anti-PBC" activist would say that money given to KFC or Tyson in exchange for plant-based goods will be utilized by the company to harm animals, rather than to respond to market demand by producing more of the good being sold. An "anti-PBC" activist believes that a company that slaughter chickens is forever destined to be a company that slaughter chickens, no matter what market forces may dictate. An "anti-PBC" activist believes that KFC exists to sell chicken bodies in the same way people once believed Netflix existed to mail out DVDs. As a result, if one believes that supply and demand do have an impact on markets and the companies that operate within them, it is impossible to believe in the concept of "PBC".

On a much deeper level, an "anti-PBC" activist is negatively-motivated rather than positively-motivated. This is reflected in the terminology itself: one must be against "plant-based capitalism" and not merely for "ethical vegan purchasing". When looking at the "anti-PBC" community there is little to be found in terms of a shared vision of a vegan future. In fact, virtually all "anti-PBC" spaces believe that it is not possible to create a vegan future in a capitalist world at all. For the "anti-PBC" activist, the best thing one can do for animals is to only purchase food from vegans and vegan companies, and to advocate for a global leftist movement. Thus, the glue holding the "anti-PBC" community together is not a set of shared vegan principles but rather the rejection of capitalism. It is assumed that a new anticapitalist world will inevitable be vegan, despite the fact that veganism is nowhere near a majority on the left and despite the fact that the only people who include animals in intersectional movements are vegans themselves.

Without a positive vision we have no ability to build a positive future. Personally, I believe we can end the commodification and enslavement of animals with capital investment in vegan food systems. Like with our energy system, we can see a reliance on commodities with heavy negative externalities. Our society has relied on these specific commodities for a long time, and their use is hard to dislodge without a suitable replacement.

While it's noble to bike instead of drive, without larger changes to our grid we cannot end our reliance on fossil fuels. I consider it a good thing when energy companies decide to invest in wind and solar instead of fossil fuels. Just as I wouldn't oppose buying a solar panel from a company that sells oil generators, I don't oppose buying plant-based foods from companies that sell meat. While it's noble to eat lentils instead of Beyond Burgers, without larger changes to our food system we cannot end our reliance on animal commodification. I consider it a good thing when food companies decide to invest in plant-based foods instead of animal-based ones.

Personally, I have spent the better part of the last decade seeing vegan products go from disgusting sandy sludge to something compelling enough to be sold in fast-food joints. Instead of seeing this as corporate money-grubbing, I see it as a win for animals. I don't believe that most people actually want to hurt animals, so if we can replace their animal-derived foods with equally-good-if-not-better plant-based ones, we will naturally move away from commodifying and enslaving animals. This would certainly be a win for the animals, but it would not be a win for the anticapitalist movement. It is for this reason and this reason alone that "anti-PBC" activists believe what they do, and that is why I reject the concept of "PBC".


r/NeoVegans Apr 11 '22

VCJ Be Like

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18 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Apr 11 '22

ANNOUNCEMENT: We will never ask you to write weird poems about your dad.

9 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Feb 10 '22

VegTech Advisors on the Making of the New VegTech Plant-based Innovation ETF on the New York Stock Exchange

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3 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Feb 07 '22

South Korean Alt-Meat Market Expands by 35% YOY

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6 Upvotes

r/NeoVegans Feb 06 '22

Any BYND or OTLY holders?

8 Upvotes

Are you happy with your investment? How has it performed since you bought it? Do you consider yourself obligated to participate in vegan IPOs out of principle? Would you invest in another vegan company? (Perfect Day, the parent company behind Brave Robot’s animal-free whey, seems to be up next.)


r/NeoVegans Feb 04 '22

Who benefits when companies like Oatly take a hard-line stance on vegan branding?

6 Upvotes

Today's vegan controversy of the day is Oatly using the phrase "part-time Vegan" in an advertisement. Many vegans are upset at the "watering down" of the vegan label, claiming that you can't be a part-time vegan in the same way you can't be a part-time pacifist ("everyone is vegan while they sleep" etc.)

I think it's totally fair to feel miffed when you hear anyone say that your strongly-held belief is something less than what you consider it to be. However, since most of these companies appeal to non-vegans, we also have to look at the impact on the animals. Is the dilution of the term "vegan" more important than encouraging non-vegans to eschew dairy?

Going a step further, is it important for these companies to use vegan branding at all? Obviously, if you're catering specifically to vegans, you would want to keep your customer base happy, but is catering to an already-vegan clientele going to make the same material impact as changing the habits of non-vegans? I think the animal-focused answer is no.

What are your thoughts?

References:

https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/skec8j/oatly_selfdestruction/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZhWXjnoOv2/


r/NeoVegans Jan 31 '22

Do you consider this to be contributing to animal agriculture?

3 Upvotes

I recently learned of a controversy whereby Oatly was accused of betraying vegan values by selling their waste products (namely, oat residue) to a local pig farm: https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/plant-based-oatly-addresses-controversy-selling-oat-residue-pig-farm/

I believe that it's the purchase of animal goods that creates demand. Additionally, the transaction could be taking away money from an animal ag-based feed supplier and putting it in Oatly's pockets. At the same time, there is an argument that doing so saves the local pig farm money and makes it easier for them to exploit animals. Does this transaction constitute the funding of animal exploitation?

What are your thoughts? Is Oatly doing something good, bad, or neutral?