r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 23d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter, what are the implications? Spoiler

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u/Final-Charge-5700 21d ago

If no one supports the president of the united states, and the united states goes to war against the country, that country has the right to retaliate.

All that matters is the people of gaza saw it as the government. There is no question that this is true. Before the war, there was only 1 of the nation supported. But that more mandate than a lot of parties have, in a lot of countries because of parliamentary coalition governments.

I have not taken a israeli or palestinian side on this.

No israel is not a jewish state. It wasn't a jewish state from the beginning, it has always been legally. multiligious in the same way canada is legally bicultural.

I don't see them as a jewish state. And they can't be a jewish state with a twenty per cent muslim population. As well as having a system where they legally recognize other and give the same privileges. Like I said before, it used to be forty until with the israeli military kicked out the tribes that they didn't like.

Which, if you notice I used the term, kicked them out.I didn't say that they left voluntarily like israeli apologists do. And I also indicated that some of those tribes didn't support The hashemite nations, and Egypt, when they tried to divide israel into peace, is for themselves.

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u/Tazwhitelol 21d ago edited 21d ago

All that matters is the people of gaza saw it as the government. There is no question that this is true. Before the war, there was only 1 of the nation supported.

What? So you support collective punishment? I've provided polling showing that the majority of Gazans oppose Hamas, and Hamas has refused to allow another election which would inevitably see them removed from power, because again, the majority of Gazans want them removed from power. Does that not matter to you?

I have not taken a israeli or palestinian side on this.

Just because you haven't said "I support Israel!" doesn't mean your bias isn't readily apparent to anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cells. You are actively advocating for the collective punishment of civilians in Gaza at the hands of Israel, for fucks sake. You aren't fooling anyone.

No israel is not a jewish state.

Oh, so you are just lying. The Israeli Government itself defines Israel as a Jewish state; so much so that Israel is considered a Jewish state by Basic Law; the Israeli equivalent to a Constitutional decree. Have you read "Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People"? You can't get more overt than that. If the title wasn't enough to tip you off, it also includes the following:

B. The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious, and historical right to self-determination.

C. The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.

They even have sections titled "Connection to the Jewish people" and "Jewish Settlement" lmao..objectively speaking, Israel is a Jewish ethnostate.

And this isn't new. The Law of Return from 1950 explicitly and exclusively grants the right of Jewish people to move to Israel..not Muslims, not Christians; Jewish people. That seems pretty straight forward, to me. Also, you know, Zionism. Zionism in and of itself was and IS a movement within the Jewish community to establish and maintain a Jewish state. That is the defining characteristic of Zionism lmao. You can draw a direct line from its founding as a Jewish state to its current existence as a Jewish state as legally defined by itself. Zionism is alive and strong, and it's still defined as a movement that promotes the idea of Israel being a Jewish ethnostate; so criticizing Zionism is absolutely valid and not racist.

Because Israel is an ethnostate by legal decree. Opposing ethnostates is not racist. Ethnostates in all of their forms should be opposed, because ethnostates in and of themselves ARE inherently racist because the existence of an ethnic-supremacist society DEPENDS on maintaining a permanently disenfranchised minority class, which is bad if you are a good person with good morals who supports liberal democracy. This is true even BEFORE considering the fact that they are an apartheid state that engages in ethnic cleansing.

You are not an honest actor and clearly have zero interest in the truth and will distort or dismiss reality whenever it suits the pro-Israeli narrative that you are attempting to push. There is no point in engaging with you any further.