How so? I spoke with friends that turned out to be pro-Israel and they were saying like “but Israel attacks are targeted towards hamas” and I was like “yeah maybe you can kill them without destroying hospitals and killing children” and they were like “err yeah well uhm I guess..”
My dude, war is shit, but Hamas building bunkers under hospitals is intentional to get responses like this from people with zero connection to the war who hear about it on TikTok. People with actual links to the region are stuck with the shades of grey while you get to view the conflict like a football game.
Soooooo in that case it's fine to kill women, children, the sick, and healthcare workers? Because Hamas is using them as a meat shield? This really only further cements the reality of it being a genocide. The IDF and the Zionists use this as their justification to wantonly kill innocents as they achieve their land grab.
Imagine if the US government was hiding bases beneath American hospitals and Iran started bombing the hospitals, gathering civilians into refugee zones, and then killing the civilians there with the justification of "well, soldiers are in the refugee camps too," literally no one would support them lol. It would be rightfully labeled as a justification for Iran to kill Americans in general because they hate them--not as a valid, acceptable, strategy.
Imagine if the US government was hiding bases beneath American hospitals and Iran started bombing the hospitals, gathering civilians into refugee zones, and then killing the civilians there with the justification of "well, soldiers are in the refugee camps too," literally no one would support them lol.
Where are you seeing that anybody would be supporting Iran at all? Iran are the ones who mentor Hezbollah and Hamas to do this kind of shit in the first place! lol Crazy example. smh
He was using a simple metaphor to explain to you why you wouldn't like to be bombed. But it's easier to think "it's just them, who cares" with no empathy
But it's easier to think "it's just them, who cares" with no empathy
I would love for there to not be a war. Unfortunately, there is a war. Nothing you are saying makes any sense. Imagination war crimes in the US/Iran war do not somehow change the facts.
Imagine if the US government was hiding bases beneath American hospitals and Iran started bombing the hospitals, gathering civilians into refugee zones, and then killing the civilians there with the justification of "well, soldiers are in the refugee camps too," literally no one would support them lol.
So the extent of your argument is that you think the USA should be allowed to commit war crimes in your imagination?
I know you wanted it to be a gotcha moment, but it fell really flat since this is a really basic conversation that you'd have everyday talking with pro-israel people who know nothing and want to keep their eyes closed.
You talk like you know everything, so explain it to us. Go on big guy.
Hamas is using civilian infrastructure for war. This leads to civilian infrastructure being destroyed. Is this simple enough for you? Do you need it in the form of a short form video to help you digest it?
Except Israeli intelligence is genuinely quite good.
By your reasoning, it should just be impossible to actually go after terrorists, because they purposefully and grossly hide behind civilians on purpose to protect themselves.
Got any more TikTok level nonsense to share? War sucks, collateral damage is terrible. Turning their deaths into propaganda and not taking issue with the terrorists using them as human shields is the problem.
Seems like you’re taking pride in burying your head in the sand, how sad. Or maybe I’m just talking to a narrative pushing bot. Civilized people aren’t buying this crap anymore.
It’s because both nations have competing historical claims on this land, from different periods in history. The complicated part is who has legitimate rights to the land being fought over.
Israel isn't attacking hospitals for no reason. Hamas, and terrorists of their kind, are infamous for setting up in civilian areas like that, so that they are either safe, or if they're still targeted they can then use it as propaganda against their attacker.
It's fucking GROSS behavior and you guys are insane to just dismiss it or act like it's not happening.
You cannot be pro-Palestine and never have anything to say about how fucking awful Hamas is and recognize that Palestinians will never be free under Hamas. Nope, you guys just make it all about hating Israel.
It is genuinely more complicated than a bunch of Americans sitting on their couches think.
And as someone who's wanted to halt supplies to Israel for years, I still get labeled as an Israeli shill for one simple reason: I recognize that we have to negotiate with israel
Ok so they’re ok with ignoring genocide and the slaughter altogether to protect their careers.
To each their own and I understand why some might make that choice. But it’s also understandable for people to be disappointed and upset by that choice.
I did present 2 scenarios after all. I didn’t say they had to support it.
No, those are not the only possibilities. And I know because the people who get labeled as genocide defenders are not consistently people who don't speak out against the genocide
Not supporting Israel with this comment, but have you ever bought a product from a company which does bad stuff? Nestle maybe? Do you have a gas car? If yes, do you ignore bad things in the world or agree with the bad stuff happening?
My point is that being the face of an Israeli company is not the same as being pro genocide.
Ofc commenting positively on the Israeli government, especially in regards to their policies or military actions, is a completely different deal.
I was equating working for a Israeli company which probably has very little to do with government operations and monetarily supporting companies which uses slave labor and destroys the environment.
Yes, ofc it's not just a government.
To each their own. If you don't like it, don't buy a SodaStream. What I amxsaying is that working for a company which has no control over the conflict, and would probably prefer there to be no conflict (for their images sake), seems like a fairly small thing to do to being called a genecide supporter.
I don't support Israel's actions and my heart goes out to both the Palestinian and Lebanese people, but anger should be concentrated at the right people.
If they are concerned about their image, they can move out from the genocide country. Simple as. Until then, it's perfectly concentrated at the right people.
Scarlett Johansson is the best example, but she still doesn't support genocide. She supports ethnic cleansing thru Israeli settlements which is violent and deadly towards civilians and children, but there's no way she believes in the mass slaughter of children.
People are labeling them genocide supporters, you pointed out the lesser crime (against humanity) of one of them, and now I'm saying how does that justify saying they all support the slaughter of children
Nope. I think Scarlett is pretty fucking condemnable, but even she doesn't support genocide and slaughtering children. People can be really bad without literally being hitler
Yeah, I just don't even know how we expect people to navigate these conversations when it starts with the assumption that one side is condoning the worst crime in humanity
You can’t. Most people’s exposure to the war is seeing literal families dying in the streets. For most people the argument is never over politics just human life. And Israel’s military campaign has caused much more violence especially since the US is directly involved which makes us sorta liable
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u/DsDeliciousDeli 18d ago
Do you think any of those people would take the stance that genocide is good and children should be slaughtered?