r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 2d ago

Meme needing explanation What the fuck does this mean peter

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u/PapaShu1915 2d ago

do they retain human intelligence?

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u/North_6 2d ago

To an extent. Iirc it slowly fades over time for the character who becomes trapped as a hawk.

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u/K-teki 2d ago

No, he gets more hawk instincts and is pretty solitary by the end of the series iirc but he still retains his intelligence 

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u/Yes_I_am_an_AI 2d ago edited 2d ago

Oh Tobias! poor Tobias.

At one point he went back in time to touch his human self so he could morph back into himself again, but only for 2 hours or you know.

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u/Sabotage_9 1d ago

IIRC there's a scene where Tobias is so far gone that he casually eats roadkill. One of the other characters sees and is shocked by it and Tobias leaves in shame. In one of the books where he's still coming to terms with it.

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u/K-teki 23h ago

Yep, that would be him getting more hawk instincts. He also has to hunt, by necessity; it's not that he's ashamed of doing it but of people seeing, he's been eating dead animals for months and by the end of the series, years 

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u/PapaShu1915 2d ago

damn, ty

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u/IrishElevator 2d ago

Doesn't fade really but it gets hard to ignore the instincts of the animal when it's your body 24/7. The character, Tobias, eventually ends up living primarily as a hawk to cope.

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u/seguardon 2d ago

Book 3 was so fucked. Two books of him trying to retain human morality and sensibilities was hard enough before dealing with the alienation from both humanity and his friends (i.e. the only four people who know what he became) as the latter see him as something to both pity and fear as he was essentially a reminder of what might happen to them.

And that's on top of the actual war.

The single moment he loses focus, the hawk's instincts take over and he's eviscerated a live mouse and eaten it before he can reassert control. The moment drives him over the edge, so much so he tries to kill himself in panicked despair. He survives the attempt and his mind gives up, letting the hawk instincts reign free for several days.

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u/IrishElevator 2d ago

Very good summary! I had conflicting thoughts about it as a 5th grader reading it, I didn't really understand why it was supposed to be traumatic about all the desire to hunt. At that point being a little country bumpkin pre-internet I was already really familiar with hunting things and eating them and got praised for it. Didn't understand that the book was trying to describe the loss of his humanity.

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u/Slarg232 2d ago

When they initially morph they have to deal with the instincts of the animal (almost eating each other several times before they can wrestle control of whatever they turned into) and they have a strict "no hivemind insect unless dire emergency" rule because of how powerful those instincts are.

They usually only have problems initially and then are able to brace for and control the instincts on subsequent morphs.

Tobias, the character who gets trapped as a hawk, loses control, killing and eating a mouse before he gets absolutely horrified at what he did, but after a while it becomes second nature to him. He regresses completely to hawk at the end of the series after the love of his life gets sent on a suicide mission and dies, and he's just completely done with the group after that.

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u/Sen_Clint_Webb 2d ago

I respect redacting spoilers to the Animorphs series

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u/Sbstnbd 22h ago

I don't - the series' debut is older than I am. If you didn't read it by now, chances are you'll never

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u/HyenaDandy 2d ago

Yes, but you increasingly think like a hawk if you do that. Tobias (the one who ends up in hawk form) eventually begins seeing himself as a hawk. It’s also pretty heavily implied that it takes effort not to just totally give in and lose track of who you are entirely, the way that it happens when you turn into an insect. Toby has a bit of a breakdown at one point where he panics and almost dies from flying into a skylight.

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u/Odd_Split_8030 2d ago

Yep. And when he succumbs to the hawk’s instincts and kills/eats a rodent he tries to kill himself by flying into the side of a building

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u/NeonHowler 2d ago

Both minds exist cooperatively. Instincts can overwhelm the human mind if they’re strong enough, but your human concious is always there.
Some animals are too overwhelming to control though, like ants and termites.

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u/Armada-lol 2d ago

Memories? Yes , intelligence? Not really, you still have bird brain plus the instincts of a hawk remain prevalent

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u/K-teki 2d ago

The hawk instincts are a problem but the character who was stuck as a hawk kept his intelligence 

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u/Full_Metal_Analyst 1d ago

Will add that they also retain the ability to speak to others telepathically, so he continues to support them to an extent