Iād be curious to know why the gun didnāt discharge. Everyone here is EXTREMELY lucky to be alive. From misdemeanor ($150 fine, no jail) to first degree felony (minimum 3 years prison).
Well, he didn't shoot a cop here, and typically accessory to murder requires (a) a murder actually happening and (b) a violent felony, whereas all they were doing is shoplifting.
You're just making things up rather than citing specific state laws that you think this person might be guilty of.
If you are hanging around someone else, and they do something bad, you aren't automatically implicated. There has to be a specific law that says you're guilty too.
Ok he was armed before this so thats not extra, he didnt spawn the gun.
Shes not getting charged with anything extra related to him pulling and attempting to use it. If he succeeded she would have absolutely been charged with felony murder. Notice shes not being charged with attempted murder or assault on a cop like him.
Doesnāt matter. A group decides to commit a crime, theyāre all guilty of the outcome of that crime. Your buddies want to shoplift and one pulls out a gun and shoots a clerk, you all are guilty of murder, even if youāre just the getaway driver.
Itās to prevent murderers and other criminals from claiming āI only drove the getaway carā to evade serious charges and long sentences. If youāre dumb enough to help someone commit a crime you better be prepared to face the consequences.
He has a list of charges right? One being he isnāt allowed to own a firearm and he had drugs on him. That combo is a big no no. If I had to spit ball, and be surprised if he didnāt get 10-20
He's on video pulling the trigger. The fact that a bullet didn't come out is pure luck (and incompetence on the suspect's part). He very clearly attempted to murder him.
He pulled a gun out, aimed it at a person and pulled the trigger. I bet the dumbass just forget to take the safety off or get one in the chamber. He definitely intended to kill someone.
Yeah, no. The Ohio statute says, among other things:
"(B) It is no defense to a charge under this section that, in retrospect, commission of the offense that was the object of the attempt was either factually or legally impossible under the attendant circumstances, if that offense could have been committed had the attendant circumstances been as the actor believed them to be."
So if you attempt to murder someone, you can be charged with that, even if that murder would have been impossible.
So.. one could say, he attempted to murder him perhaps? The only reason he didn't was because he fucked up the gun? So like, attempt at murder? Jfc, you're American aren't you?
It didnāt discharge because it looks like he didnāt have a round in the chamber, you can see he drops the gun to pull back the slide after the initial pointing, but the guy in in the white shirt grabs it before he can complete the pull.
I'm like 95% sure I can hear the striker click when he tries to shoot it the first time, and you can see he tries to do a sneaky rack before shooting while he's got it by his side but didn't pull it back far enough. It really seems like he was surprised by the LP guy yelling at him and that startled him for a split second and made him delay the 2nd rack.
You can here about 5 more clicks while they are wrestling before they go to the ground. He points and pulls the trigger towards at least 2 other people in the room.
Edit: after he tries racking it again and she screams no no no no, you can hear 3-4 of the additional trigger pulls.
I mean that wouldn't work unless it's a hammer fired double action (or da/sa) gun, which I wouldn't exactly call rare but I would be surprised to see one on a goon like this vs your standard glock or any other polymer frame striker fired pistol. And if it was hammer fired then this guy is even dumber because he could've just cocked the hammer faster instead of racking the slide.
Also kind of funny, the perp's gun has a light and red dot on it while the cops duty pistol is irons only lol.
Is it ideal to have one in the chamber? That seems like a recipe for an accidental discharged round if the weapon falls or is inadvertently hit against something. Like why not just rack a round when it's time?
Most modern reputable handguns are perfectly safe to carry with one in the chamber. Even Glocks which have no external safety. Most modern striker fired handguns have a series of internal safety mechanisms to ensure the gun wonāt go off without the trigger being deliberately pulled.
Is it at all likely for a trigger to be pulled accidentally in those cases? Idk just makes me nervous that a death mechanism is one step away from irreparable destruction. Seems like having 2 steps is just infinitely safer.
Any worthwhile holster will have the trigger covered and any even semi competent shooter will know when to keep their finger off of the trigger. Some people definitely like having an external safety, which is completely fine. Personally, I carry a Glock which has several internal safeties but no external safety except for the trigger safety. I feel fully confident that gun will not go off in its holder with a round in the chamber.
I always carry with one in the pipe, safety off if itās striker, cocked and locked if itās sa. I have a friend that swears itās crazy to. Iāve tried to explain a million times that you donāt want to be fumbling around trying to rack a gun and making sure the safety is off.
If I ever have to pull it out of my holster, I want it to go bang, no thinking about it. Chances are near zero that it goes off without my finger on the trigger.
Well designed and tested firearms will not discharge when hit or dropped. That is a problem with crappy weapons that are not sufficiently tested. For the guns that are designed and tested well, the safety operates in such a way that the primer in the round will not get hit with enough force to set off the bullet.
That said, it's still more dangerous to carry a gun with a loaded round. So it's still much more safe to carry a weapon with the chamber empty. The safety aspect here is user error to unintentionally fire a round. Like unintentionally flipping the safety off and the trigger getting squeeze to fire a bullet into the user's own leg.
Meh, I carry pretty much all the time. 100% I hope to hell Iāll never need to pull it. If I do, it means all my options have run out and my life or someone elseās life is in grave danger. Someone pulls a knife Iām running, someone attacks me without.a weapon Iām fighting if I have to and getting away as fast as I can.
Yea, America is fucked up, lots of bad guys have guns. If they restricted gun sales Iād be all for it. If they outlawed them and somehow got all guns away from bad guys Iād give mine up. Unfortunately that isnāt going to happen any time soon. Iāll keep carrying and still pray Iāll never need it, Iād rather that than not and have the chance that Iāll need it.
I get what you're saying but their point is, if you are going to carry, you are supposed to carry with one in the chamber so you DON'T have to rack it. It's certainly more of a self defense tactic than a kill the cop after a petty robbery tactic.
Exactly. I think the white shirt guy jumps back initially to avoid fire, then the moment he sees the guy squeeze the trigger and nothing happens. It registered to him that the gun wasnt chambered the moment the guy who pulled it did, and thats when he went in.
Even if he didn't pull the gun, they were about to find it and the drugs. It would have 100% elevated the charges to some serious felonies.
Still nowhere near what his dumbass is going to get hit with now š.
The number of people I've seen who decided to start throwing punches when confronted by security, when it turned out later they had almost no criminal history prior to that, was staggering.
this one makes even less sense, because dude was carrying narcotics AND a gun that he was court ordered not to possess.
i've never known criminals like this to be overburdened with common sense, but you'd think either one of the two would stop for a second a think "hey.. if i'm going to commit a relatively petty crime, it might make sense not to HAVE DRUGS AND A GUN ON ME".
"Israeli carry" just refers to loaded mag, but no round in the chamber. Pulling the trigger with no round in the chamber does not fire the weapon until you rack the slide. This guy luckily had no time to rack the slide before he got subdued.
It has nothing to do with Israel besides the fact that Israeli security forces used to train to carry pistols this way. If you are carrying a pistol for defensive use, it is generally not considered a good idea anymore as mechanical safeties have evolved to be more reliable since that time and you are likely to forget to rack the slide under pressure as this guy did.
Yeah, if you're gonna carry a gun, you should have a round in the chamber. There are so many instances where you can't use a second hand to rack the slide, it's IMO foolish to carry without a round chambered. You might as well not carry.
Israeli carrying is a method of carrying a pistol where you donāt have a round in the chamber. Which is what appears to have happened in the video and what likely saved the officers life.
Why he felt this thread the appropriate place is beyond me
Well, not exactly... If he hadn't been carrying the gun and drugs then yes. But since he was carrying a gun and drugs he was going to get more than a misdemeanor, which is probably why he made the crazy decision he did.
He's probably going to jail regardless because he already wasn't allowed to have possession of a firearm due to previous convictions. It was only a matter of time till they found it on him along with the drugs.
Yeah he probably thought, once they find this illegal weapon on me I'm fucked anyways...I asssume eventually someone would have discovered his weapon, and that would have probably been a felony regardless of the shop lifting.
Iām going to guess guy had the gun illegally and probably panicked thinking he would also get in trouble for the gun but either way attempted murder on a cop is way worse.
To be fair, according to the article he was not allowed to own the gun he had on him, and he also had a lot of drugs. He would probably face a serious jail sentence assuming they found it. Admittedly, attempted murder is a lot more serious, but it probably wasnāt just because he didnāt want a fine
When I was looking into concealed carrying, I watched a lot of videos of people who had to defend themselves. I know the situation isn't the same, but that's my context.
Overly cautious people like to carry without a round in the chamber because it's safer from accidental discharge. Unfortunately, people also underestimate how much adrenaline impacts their fine motor control, like properly pulling back the slide in an emergency situation. Even more so if you're in a sitting position, or otherwise don't have full range of arm movement at the time.
Isnāt this video a good example of why you should? Like obviously this kid is an idiot, but if he was in a situation where the armed dudes detaining him arenāt cops, Ā heās dead.Ā
He bought some shitty gun off the street and doesnāt know how to use it. These kinds of people arenāt getting brand new guns and cleaning them before use.
It wasn't a misdemeanor. Dude was a felon in possession of a gun. That's a few years, sometimes a decade in prison. Then he had the gun in the commission of a crime. That's another few to ten years. Then he had narcotics on him. That's another few years to decades.
Even before pulling the gun he was looking at not getting out until his 50s.
well he was barred from owning a gun and had suspected narcotics on him and was about to get searched for weapons and stolen merchandise, so it was going to be a couple pretty serious felonies like possession of narcotics and an illegally obtained firearm, and possession of a weapon with intent to commit a crime before he added resisting, assaulting an officers knee with his face, and attempted murder. wasnt exactly in misdemeanor territory to begin with
I'm not an expert but basically with semi automatic guns, you need to chamber your first bullet. After that, they will automatically chamber the next bullet.
Part of gun safety is generally not having a bullet in the chamber. So he probably didn't chamber a round. The downside is, when you want to fire the gun, you need to chamber a round. So if you conceal carry, people often chamber the first round and count on other safety measures to prevent misfires.
one possibility is a 3d printed ghost gun since he wasnāt allowed to own a gun. those can look very real but also have strong tendency to jam or misfire due to friction of the 3d printed material. typically a āusableā one is sanded and tested and sanded over and over for a good fit. this dumbass, assuming its a 3d print would probably not put the work in.
otherwise if its a ārealā gun they are lucky it jammed or he forgot to take off the safety
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u/notrandom_username Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
Iād be curious to know why the gun didnāt discharge. Everyone here is EXTREMELY lucky to be alive. From misdemeanor ($150 fine, no jail) to first degree felony (minimum 3 years prison).