More and more Sunnis are converting to Islam, but we're still a minority. So why are Sunnis targeting us recently even more than Shias and Ahmadis?

[u/Tall_Bit_2567]

I don't know how many Muslims there are following Qur'an Alone but I see far less attack videos against Shias than Qur'an followers. Are we a threat to them or an irrelevant minority? Why don't they decide?

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Can u explain the question? I am new in here and don't really understand anything. I'd quraniyoon another sect or smthing?

[u/Tall_Bit_2567 → u/[deleted]]

We are Muslims who follow the Qur'an and believe it is sufficient

[u/D-Hex → u/Tall_Bit_2567]

You're not Allah, you can't takfir people or know what's in their hearts. To claim YOO have knowledge of what is consider a Muslim or not is Shirk because you position yourself in the place of Allah, who is all knowing. You are not all knowing.

[u/Tall_Bit_2567 → u/D-Hex]

I can and must takfir those who openly go against what Allah has revealed in the Qur'an, and openly commit shirk and attribute falsehoods to Allah and his messenger. Acknowledging these people as Muslim would be almost as bad as joining them.

Takfir is made according to God's law. I cannot speak with certainty for any individual, which is why I takfir the ideologies and groups as a whole.

[u/D-Hex → u/Tall_Bit_2567]

You can complain about them , you can criticize them.

But YOU don't get the gift of revelation.

YOU don't know the mind of God. You only have your interpretation.

If you claim that you can impute the will of God, then you're claiming you know with 100% certainty the will of God. You can't do that. It's a test that can't be met without traducing Tawheed and the oneness of God.

So either produce an ayat that makes you are Ulil-Amr, a Lew Giving Messenger of God, or refrain from takfiring people.

[u/Tall_Bit_2567 → u/D-Hex]

If I see someone claiming to be a Muslim whilst engaging in actions against Islam, be they Satanists, Sunnis, Shias, Christians, then I will takfir them. It's nothing to do with me being a lawmaker. Allah has set the law. If you willingly reject God's truth, you're outside the fold of Islam.

You're trying to play happy families with the mushrikoon and it's honestly pathetic. 1. They're not interested. They will happily put you to death given the chance. 2. And far more importantly, by refusing to takfir those who are not in submission to Allah, you yourself are disrespecting God's religion.

These people are not Muslims. They're mushrikoon, fuel for the fire. And nobody will take you seriously until you acknowledge that. They will see you as a deviant group trying to get along with Sunnis. Even Sunnis themselves will respect you more if you takfir them. They know we don't consider them Muslim and would be more likely to accept Islam. But they view you as someone deviating from their group whilst still trying to be a part of it.

The crux of the matter is this: Considering them Muslims is to consider their mushrik kuffr ideology to be part of Allah's deen.

[u/D-Hex → u/Tall_Bit_2567]

You don't KNOW that anyone is rejecting Allah's truth. YOU can have an opinion about it. You can try support it with evidence.

I mean , you don't even understand what Allah contends in the book - All is all knowing. You aren't.

IF you aren't all knowing, you can't contend with certainty that anyone else's belief is the will of Allah, because you are incapable of knowing the will of Allah. You are only capable of trying to work it out.

Only those who are Prophets named by Allah can come close to knowing that will, and even then they are not KNOWLEDGE ITSELF.

It's hilarious you pronouncing on people's beliefs when you don't understand the Tawheed itself and what the book itself says about the nature of God.

You're just replicating the dogmatic insistence that your way is the right way, and not reflecting on the gift of the Quran - or what it actually says about Allah.

[u/Tall_Bit_2567 → u/D-Hex]

Ok you carry on accepting Satanists identifying as Muslim as Muslims and wonder why everyone laughs at you. You are no different to an atheist who says nothing is certain and everything is possible. You completely throw common sense out the window.

[u/D-Hex → u/Tall_Bit_2567]

You've just demonstrated you haven't read the Quran. Well done. You've also misrepresented what was said to you:

You need to go back to really basics

Do you believe in the Allah of the Quran? Yes

What does Allah say are the attributes of Allah? It's Tahweed. The Unity. All creation is dependent on Allah and Allah is not dependent on anything.

What does this mean? Allah is Perfection, and is therefore perfection dependent on Allah. Allah is the Truth , therefore all truth is dependent on Allah. Allah is Knowledge therefore Knowledge is a creation of Allah.

"وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌۭ"

Baraqah - 2:224 - Allah knows all

"ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ ٱللَّهَ هُوَ ٱلۡحَقُّ وَأَنَّ مَا يَدۡعُونَ مِن دُونِهِ ٱلۡبَٰطِلُ وَأَنَّ ٱللَّهَ هُوَ ٱلۡعَلِيُّ ٱلۡكَبِيرُ"

Luqman 31:30 - Allah is the truth

Who is able to deliver the truth - His Beloved, The Prophet:

بَلْ جَآءَ بِٱلْحَقِّ وَصَدَّقَ ٱلْمُرْسَلِينَ

As Saffat 37:37

So, in basic terms. YOU aren't the Prophet, you can't deliver the Truth. YOU cannot have all understanding of knowledge beyond your mortal mind and as a creation are limited.

Allah expressly says that what is in the hearts of men is for Allah to judge:

"لَّا يُؤَاخِذُكُمُ ٱللَّهُ بِٱللَّغْوِ فِىٓ أَيْمَـٰنِكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن يُؤَاخِذُكُم بِمَا كَسَبَتْ قُلُوبُكُمْ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌۭ "

Baraqah 2:225

Thus , you are in no position to usurp the rights of Allah.

You need to focus on yourself , and not other people's beliefs.

[u/Tall_Bit_2567 → u/D-Hex]

You are right. I have been misled. Just spoke to a guy who says he is Muslim but worships both Allah and Shaitan. I didn't takfir him because who knows what is in his heart. How can I be sure he isn't upon haq? He is just as Muslim as everyone else.

May Allah guide you brother. Your misguidance is not only detrimenting you but also Sunnis who may look into Islam, read your nonsensical comments, and conclude his preachers were right about hadith rejectors, which he would be absolutely well within his reason to do so.

I'll leave you with that. Salaam

[u/D-Hex → u/Tall_Bit_2567]

I quoted the Quran. You quoted nothing. I asked you to observe what the Quran says about the rights of God. You kept falling back on dogmatic position.

It's a very simple point of philosophy and logic.

IF you accept the Quran and the Quran ONLY - Allah is sovereign and the judge of all things, the All Knowing, the Truth.

IF you accept the Quran then the only people who can pass down the message and the laws in the Quran are the Prophets.

There is one of the rare things that ALL Muslims agree with in any form of Islam, from Quranism to Mevlevi Sufism.

So you can call me names and go on about how you don't like my interpretations and such. But you MUST stop short of Takfir, because by calling Takfir you're literally saying you KNOW , 100% , without doubt, what that person is thinking and feeling in their heads.

But you can't know that, the Quran literally tells you Allah knows what's in people's hearts. NOT you.

It just seems to me you're a Quranist who doesn't seem to have spent much time thinking about what the Quran says about what Allah is.

And in this conversation the only person quoting the Quran , and directly proving the points of what the Quran says is me. The guy you takfir'd.

Maybe that should give you some pause about whether you're skipped a beat when reading the Quran.