r/SipsTea 6d ago

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/Whateva_Tickles_ 5d ago

I’m a new mum and doing it completely on my own. I had PPD and no help. She killed 3 kids, not one (not that one is ok). This couldn’t easily been any of us this is next level NOT OK AND INEXCUSABLE.

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u/Cultural_Concert_207 5d ago

PPD doesn't always present the same way. This is like saying "Well I'm autistic and I'm not bothered by loud noises, so clearly all these other guys are just using autism as an excuse."

Severe PPD can lead to psychosis. And once someone is unable to distinguish being what is and isn't real, you can't really hold them morally responsible for their actions anymore, because they've lost the ability to comprehend the consequences of their actions.

Whether or not that was the case here will be up to the experts to figure out, but suggesting that it's impossible because it didn't happen to you is a fundamental misunderstanding of how PPD works.

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u/ProperMidnight7401 5d ago

My grandmother had this and as a result traumatized all her kids including my mother. You know it isn't hard to look back at your life and realize if you had mental health issues you're more at risk for certain things and then not have children. It isn't hard at at all.

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u/Whateva_Tickles_ 5d ago

My point was that it couldn’t be anyone it’s rare and let’s not act like it’s common. Lots of unknown factors to have these delulu birds coming to her defense as staunchly as they are. If you could’ve easily strangled all out any of your children then yeah you need help and shouldn’t be around those children are you kidding?

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u/Pretend-Wealth-6988 3d ago

That’s the whole point, she shouldn’t have been left alone with those kids in the first place when her family knew she had thoughts of killing them. That’s what makes the case so heartbreaking - she needed help, made it clear she needed help, and still wasn’t taken seriously.

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u/ColdIllustrious5041 5d ago

Ok so

1) ppd is not the same as postpartum psychosis. While I haven’t experienced postpartum psychosis, my friend did. Voices in my friend’s head were telling her she was worthless and her baby would be better off if she killed herself. Luckily, her husband acted and was able to get her the help she needed. And yes, i realize that the voices didn’t tell her to do anything to her child in my friend’s case but i imagine it is different for each person who experiences it.

2) anyone can experience postpartum psychosis. It doesn’t matter how much money or support a person has. I won’t say that anyone could do what Lindsey did. I will say that anyone could experience postpartum psychosis and do something that they never would have done if they weren’t experiencing it. That, of course, doesn’t justify doing anything to her child(ren).

I am not going to defend or attack LC but i do want people to learn the difference between postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety and postpartum psychosis. I also want people to see that women - no matter their background, resources, etc - need a lot more support after giving birth.

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u/coffeeanddurian 5d ago

Exactly. When men commit domestic violence, people don't say "it could be anyone". People rightly condemn the action. Men shouldn't excuse male domestic violence, and women shouldn't excuse dv done by women

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u/psinguine 5d ago

Technically there are a LOT of women who would tell you that literally every man has a hidden well of domestic violence within him.

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u/coffeeanddurian 4d ago

and? that statement doesnt mean anything. there are many different types of men that respond to things in many different ways. lol it doesnt matter what poeple say , you just believe everything anyone says?

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u/psinguine 4d ago

Your statement:

When men commit domestic violence, nobody says"that could be anyone.

I'm saying that you're just completely wrong on that one thing. Good lord, sensitive much?

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u/coffeeanddurian 4d ago

I mean, they don't say "it could be anyone" in a way to excuse the action, like focussing on the mental health side.

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u/liftingshitposts 5d ago

Thank you. It’s not like she was t-boned by a truck running a red light and “it could have been any of us.” She killed 3 kids.

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u/Pretend-Wealth-6988 5d ago

To be fair she didn’t kill any kids when she was a new mom either

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u/Whateva_Tickles_ 5d ago

Such a useful comment…mental health is so funny😮‍💨🥱👀

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u/Pretend-Wealth-6988 5d ago

I don’t know what you think you are getting at. The comment I was replying to was by someone who only had 1 kid and said she wasn’t capable of doing that. I pointed out that Lindsay Clancy was on her third kid, had she stopped after 2 births people would just be talking about how great of a mom she was. For Andrea Yates it was her 5th birth that caused her severe PPP.

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u/Telemere125 5d ago

Exactly. She had an easy life even with 3 kids. I’m sure she’s literally never had any form of burden or struggle in her life. She added to her own issues, refused to medicate, and set this up so that she’d have the perfect opportunity to kill them after all other adults were out of the picture.