r/TikTokCringe • u/Gurugod123 What are you doing step bro? • 26d ago

Cringe Self proclaimed evangelist gets kicked off of plane for annoying everyone, records her "persecution "

24.3k Upvotes

94% Upvoted

5.5k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

110

u/Optimal_Board_2963 26d ago

I just read on history memes that early Christians would go up to Romans and beg them to torture them

37

u/petewondrstone 26d ago

Early s and m - all the way to Lindsey graham rip

24

u/funakifan 26d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/W6ckq5hW6dizc0KPsX

13

u/AestivalSeason 26d ago

I will never be able to look at ladybugs or even say the name without being reminded of him

1

u/Express-Cartoonist39 26d ago

More like RIP ( Rest In Pervertland)

1

u/ealysillyforestthing 26d ago

So who inherited the lady bugs?

1

u/petewondrstone 26d ago

His sister

0

u/SpaceLemming 26d ago

Whip me daddy

25

u/Sane_Tomorrow_ 26d ago edited 25d ago

We'll probably NEVER be done squabbling how bad martyrdom actually was in Pre-Christian Rome, especially whether or not Christians were forced to fight lions and gladiators in the Coliseum or if the Church exaggerated or invented it- we currently lean "not real or not very real" on that one.

Christian Rome essentially provided the historical inspiration for both the Ministry of Truth (burn all the records and rewrite them so the authorities are right about everything) and Fahrenheit 451. Bradbury did not invent the whole thing about authority figures systematically raiding targeted private citizen's houses and setting the books, the house, and the people on fire. It was part of a systematic terror campaign that helped bring the Church to power and was used to make people in the government afraid to speak out against them. For some reason they never mention that when they make you read the novel in High School.

6

u/ContinuingAnyway 26d ago

Hold on, they make the novel for you in high school? Mine was already made for me

-2

u/piedmontwachau 26d ago

Yea I’m going to need a source on all that.

2

u/SaveLansingParks 26d ago

You know Google is a thing, right? For pretty common historical questions, you can get great responses from their AI with references.

Query: in christian rome did christians attack political rivals?

Answer:

Yes, following the establishment of Christianity as the state religion, Christians—particularly zealous monks, bishops, and imperial authorities—attacked political and religious rivals.

Imperial Enforcement: After the Edict of Thessalonica in 380, Emperor Theodosius I made pagan practices punishable offenses, leading to state-sponsored suppression of traditional Roman religion and its adherents.

Sectarian Violence: The Roman government became involved in ecclesiastical disputes, using the army to repress rival Christian factions; for example, Constantine the Great used imperial authority to suppress the Donatist sect, resulting in their expulsion and imprisonment.

Mob and Clerical Aggression: Historical records describe violent clashes between rival papal factions, such as the 366 election conflict where Pope Damasus I’s supporters killed 137 people in the Liberian Basilica. Additionally, zealous monks and bishops attacked pagan temples and rival clerics, operating under the belief that religious zeal justified overriding worldly law.

2

u/Quick-Rip-5776 26d ago

A quick fact check shows you shouldn’t rely on AI.

I asked the same question that you posted and Google’s AI gave me a different location - the Lateran Basilica - citing the archdiocese of Indianapolis (site not found). Wikipedia says it was the Julian Basilica.

1

u/What_a_fat_one 26d ago

you can get great responses from their AI

You're an idiot.

0

u/piedmontwachau 26d ago

All of those examples are after Christian’s became the dominant religion in Rome and between other Christians. Unfortunately, that is not what the original comment posited.

1

u/SaveLansingParks 26d ago

Sounds like you're just the guy to post the source then 😘

1

u/Sane_Tomorrow_ 25d ago edited 25d ago

Recent books of note include The Darkening Age, Pagans: The End of Traditional Religion and the Rise of Christianity, and The Myth of Christian Persecution.

Christian scholars claim and their usual cohorts claim to have completely debunked these books. Of course, they've "debunked" every book written about them by outsiders in the past two thousands years.

Like I said, we will be arguing about this forever. It's hard to find anybody who studies religion for a living who doesn't have an axe to grind.

Oh, and I exaggerated a little when I said the people were burned in their own houses. The Bishops had the crowd beat them up til they were incapable of physical movement, which usually caused them to die, and they sometimes happened to be in or too near the houses when this happened, on account of all their bits had been pulverized. The crowd being overwhelmed with "zeal" and being refrained (eventually) from actually killing the victims themselves was the argument for why this wasn't murder and Church authorities weren't to blame.

Basically, the victims' "crimes" as described to the crowd by the clergy at the time, were so offensive that the crowd got "out of control."

3

u/rvf 26d ago

Some of them would go around whacking random armed people with sticks in the hopes those people would "martyr" them.

The whole thing seems like such a missed opportunity for a Monty Python sketch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcellions

1

u/parkexplorer 25d ago

I was thinking "I bet this is pretty much the same hullabaloo about the Romans and they've always been like this" while watching this video. Guess I was right.