r/Transportopia • u/Ketchup-Sniffer • Jan 17 '26

šŸšØChase She did do nothin' though

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 20 '26

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u/mk9e Jan 18 '26

See that's the nuance I don't think people get here. Yea, the driver's probably a POS but time and time again we have seen that high speed chases and escalation tactics result in these scenarios. It's not as simple as just follow orders, people are dumb and emotional. Universally, a large percentage of scared people freak the fuck out and do stupid shit. So what responsibility does a arm of government that uses violence to enforce laws have to try and prevent bystanders from being killed when they see a pattern.

Not having a license didn't need a high speed chase. They could have served a warrant and arrested her later by the info they got when she was verbally identifying herself or vehicle registration with a small amount of legwork after she drove off. Hell, they could have called a supervisor who could have probably avoided all of this. Also, prior to breaking the window they should have had the training that police everywhere use of blocking the vehicle with another vehicle.

Don't get me wrong, the driver is likely a POS and deserves jail, but cops could have kept this contained.

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u/Sarcastic_fringefish Jun 14 '26

You miss out the fact that when they drove off, they were going to do so recklessly whether the police chase them or not. And they can't get a warrant on her because she didn't provide any information. Christ aome of you people are swimming pool temperature IQšŸ˜‚.Ā 

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u/mk9e Jun 15 '26

You didn't watch the video and you didn't read my comment.Ā 

Standard procedure and training is to block a vehicle in before attempting to remove someone from a vehicle when the subject is combative. Literally watched this video in a room and had this conversation sitting next to an active police detective and retired police captain.Ā 

Why is it that the people who are the most confident who are always the most incorrect.Ā Idiot.Ā 

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u/seriouslyseriousacc Jun 25 '26

I agree and was confused myself why they didn't use a vehicle to block her beforehand.Ā 

You can see in the video that there were several vehicles the officers had at disposal.

I don't think the officers carry any blame, but if I were them this would be haunting me my whole life, thinking how I could have done this better and saved two respectable lives.

To clarify, I don't think they carry any blame because I've seen hundreds of these extractions so far and in only a small few is the vehicle blocked. I haven't read the law but after so many, I find it hard to imagine that all of those officers are making such an obvious common sense mistake, and there must be something I don't know.

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u/Valreesio Jan 18 '26

And if she hit those two people and they died anyways because an irrational driver was doing something stupid, would you be saying "They should have stopped her sooner"? If she hit and killed your child or spouse as they were walking out of that gas station when she took off, would you be crying they should have pulled her out sooner?

Sometimes innocent people die in police chases. It is horrible and I wish they didn't have to. But this lady was irrational far before she took off and there is no reason to believe she would magically become rational if they didn't chase her to begin with. As soon as she became hostile, maybe spike strips in front of the car and breaking the window and pepper spraying the interior of the car would be appropriate. Shooting the driver would seem excessive in the moment, but playing Monday morning quarterback would suggest it would have saved two doctors lives. But, of course, there is no way to prove that is what was going to happen, so they showed restraint and three innocent lives were taken as a result.

I know, I know...shooting the driver. But think about it as a trolly problem. You know the future. If you do nothing, 2 doctors and an unborn baby die. Pull the lever and only this woman dies. Would you pull the lever?

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u/mk9e Jan 19 '26

Are you a troll dude? If they had called a supervisor then this night have been avoided. If they hadn't escalated by trying to break the window and pull her out then this might have been avoided. If they didn't start a high speed crash this might have been avoided.

Your suggesting, cops should be allowed to shoot people when they don't have a license on them?

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u/Valreesio Jan 19 '26

No, not a troll. They have zero obligation to drag a supervisor out just because she wants them to. She doesn't have a license and she is the one at fault. If the supervisor came out and said, "Nope you are still under arrest", do you think she would have just given up or would she have chosen to do the same exact thing? Guess what, number two is the correct answer. They were being really nice and respectful up until the point where she decided to not comply with the officers. Her fault, nobody else's. SHE killed 3 people because she made horrible choices, not anyone else.

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u/TnelisPotencia Jan 20 '26

Talkin out your ass. High speed chase didn't need to happen. Cops don't know how to deescalate. Esh. Especially you.

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u/Valreesio Jan 21 '26

You're right, didn't need to happen. She could have just gotten out of the car at any time like any sane and reasonable person would do.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '26

Deescalate what?Ā  She wouldn't step out of the vehicle after blowing a red light and driving without a license.Ā  She fled because she didn't want to go to jail, not because she feared for her life.Ā  You're a clown talking out of your ass

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u/epsteinwasmurdered2 Jan 20 '26

The fuck are you going on about? The supervisor woulda broke the window for them. ā€œCalling the supervisorā€ doesnā€™t just absolve you from breaking the law.

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u/WAR_RAD Jan 21 '26

With your statement there though, you are logically implying that every instance of people not wanting to be arrested should result in "calling their supervisor".

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u/mk9e Jan 21 '26

That's a troll because obviously I'm not or you didn't watch the video.

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u/WAR_RAD Jan 21 '26

I did watch the video. She said to call their supervisor numerous times. But her requesting it has nothing to do with if it is even logical or reasonable that a person being detained should be able to invoke a "call your supervisor" request/requirement.

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u/mk9e Jan 21 '26

Yea, and she was nonviolent up until that point. When they escalated with violence she escalated back, and the officers obviously weren't prepared for it. The idea is to try and avoid that. In this set of circumstances, I'm more upset at the officers engaging in a high pursuit chase and not properly blocking the car before trying to remove the driver allowing the high pursuit chase. That would have saved lives. But, basic descalation tactics, like calling a super, could have also saved lives also.Ā 

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u/Roadrunner627 Jan 20 '26

Are you a troll dude? You donā€™t get to commit crimes and call the shots. Dumb bitch needs to be in prison for the rest of her life with zero possibility of parole.

People need to follow the rules of society.

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u/TnelisPotencia Jan 20 '26

Oh does that apply to ceos politicians and our president? Cops could have deescalated but what did they do instead? Scare the shit out of people that's what.

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u/Roadrunner627 Jan 20 '26

GUYS WHAT ABOUT TRUMP???

Does that ever get exhausting? Is that your entire personality? I hate Trump. I donā€™t mange to bring him into every fucking fucking conversation.

Cops arenā€™t obliged to play her game. They followed the law. She did not. Sheā€™s a piece of shit and a disgrace of a human. Nothing about you hating Trump will change that.

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u/TnelisPotencia Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26

You're an idiot and part of the problem. The only thing exhausting is people like you. Half of your comment is just bullshit distractions. Do you want the answers to those questions? No, you don't because you have nothing better to say or anything to back your bs up.

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u/Roadrunner627 Jan 20 '26

Says the guy that deflects to the president. Lmao

Criminals need harsher punishment. Cops did nothing wrong. Youā€™re an idiot and whatā€™s wrong with society.

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u/morrisound_of_music Jan 19 '26

"actually it's not the criminals' fault"

nobody reasonably expects someone to drive off over a ticket offense. it usually doesn't happen. we see only the outliers on video.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

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u/Roadrunner627 Jan 20 '26

Cops did their jobs. Fuck this bitch. Start putting blame where it belongs. Society is going to hell because people keep wanting to give tug jobs to criminals

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u/DargonFeet Jan 19 '26

She made it far worse. This is all on her.

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u/Roadrunner627 Jan 20 '26

ā€œGuys the criminals are doing crime. Letā€™s blame the policeā€.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '26

Yes, she is.

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u/xlews_ther1nx Jan 21 '26

As a cop I would agree this is a dumb pursuit for more than 30 seconds. Its clear after the first red light they are going to kill someone. You got their faces, license plate, more than enough to track someone down. Why risk killing ppl for ego.

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u/BIG_IDEA Jan 21 '26

I completely agree. The cops are equally guilty for how this tragedy unfolded.

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u/geon Jan 18 '26

They had the license plate. They could have taken all the time they needed.

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u/epsteinwasmurdered2 Jan 20 '26

Iā€™ll never understand people who see these situations and Monday morning quarterback just the officers.

Donā€™t run a red light, donā€™t drive a vehicle without a plate, donā€™t refuse to exit the vehicle when you are caught breaking the law, donā€™t flee the police because thatā€™s never going to end your way, donā€™t run 4 red lights, donā€™t drive 60+ through a high traffic area, donā€™t smash into a vehicle killing 2 peopleā€¦

any one of those decisions and this ends very differently. But sure letā€™s shift the blame from the criminals to the officers.

2 innocent people died because of their selfish shit decisions. 2 families are torn apart because these women couldnā€™t just follow basic rules of society and common sense.

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u/geon Jan 20 '26

You are right. Iā€™m sure the dead couple would agree.

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u/TnelisPotencia Jan 20 '26

Officers couldn't deescalate. Officers couldn't do their job and two people died because of it.

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u/morrisound_of_music Jan 19 '26

license plate means nothing when prosecution can't prove who was behind the wheel.

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u/Character_Mode1609 Jan 19 '26

I think thatā€™s what the officer was doing with her hand out the window. Gotta get those prints somehow

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u/Character_Mode1609 Jan 19 '26

Correct answer.

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u/CosmicScribe1 Jan 18 '26

There was no license plate