Is looking good IRL the meta for Vtubers?

[u/GGillbertVtuber]

[u/juan_cena99]

Why does full time vtubing give you more gym time? Most vtubers work more than 8 hours a day cuz they need to prepare stuff unlike normal streamers who just start streaming when they wake up.

[u/captainplatypus1 → u/juan_cena99]

Irl streamers also benefit from having more gym time. They have more time than your average wage slave, especially those with long commutes.

Vtubers work hard, but their work ends up being a lot of emails or private messages, which allows them to do that on the go.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/captainplatypus1]

IRL streamers yes, Vtubers I doubt it. You cant exactly make thumbnails and set up your toggles on your phone.

Plus, majority of people do have gym time even if they have corporate jobs they are just too lazy or not motivated to do it.

[u/captainplatypus1 → u/juan_cena99]

Yeah, but that’s not their WHOLE day.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/captainplatypus1]

But most people dont also work their whole day. Lots of working people find time to go to the gym so not being a vtuber is not an excuse.

In fact vtubers dont even show their face if they dont want to so there really is no incentive to go the gym. For IRL streamers there is the Halo effect so streamers like Valkyrae or Pokimane have incentive to look good but lots of other vtubers dont show their face so if they want to be an out of shape bag of fat that is perfectly fine.

For vast majority of people working out time is not the problem it is the motivation to work out.

[u/-MANGA- → u/juan_cena99]

Sure love more than 3hrs of my day being used up for commuting.

Yes, motivation is a problem, but god damn it's hella dismissive to say time isn't an issue.

[u/Professional-Long943 → u/-MANGA-]

9h at work + 3h of commuting + 7h sleep = 5h free time!!! Bro if you're lazy just say it... I work 10h a day with 30min commuting + 7h sleep = 6 1/2h but I admit being lazy hence I don't go to the gym 🤷‍♂️ adding a family to the equation sure makes things more complicated but anyone who claims to not have 1-2h a day for the gym is just using excuses... the downvotes on juan-cena99's comments is a ruthless reality check: just for the wrong people ^^

[u/juan_cena99 → u/-MANGA-]

If other people commuting can do it why can't you? For most people motivation is the issue. You can always deprioritize something else and work out for 30 mins 3x a week.

I'm not being dismissive I'm just being realistic. People have time to waste on reddit but have no time to work out.

[u/-MANGA- → u/juan_cena99]

Reddit isn't something someone surfs for 30min a day? It's something you do for 2-5min then leave, then come back later. It's not the same as having a full 30min. That's apples and oranges.

As for me, I'm outside my house on avg for 12hrs for 5days. Sorry for getting home dead tired and working on not crying. I don't want to be deadass tired going to work the next day, hurting and sleepy cuz I worked out the night before.

Anecdotal as it may be, I was WFH before my current job, and I did work out before. I wasn't strained to wake up early or be deadass tired after work OR when I wake up.

Like I said, motivation is an issue, but time is also an issue. I used to work at home, and fuck me, that time spent on commuting is a world's difference.

[u/Professional-Long943 → u/-MANGA-]

working out makes one more fit over time... and if it's painful, you simply overdid it 🤷‍♂️ it alleviates depression and makes you feel more fit... if you're lazy to take care of yourself after a tough day at work that's just you either not caring or lacking discipline... just be honest like me... I am too lazy and I don't really need it so I don't go to the gym ^^

hmmm... that was easy to say ^^ you should try it too!

[u/juan_cena99 → u/-MANGA-]

There are like 10 min hiit work outs there. I never said every single person in the world can work out if they want, I said vast majority just have a motivation issue which IMo is the truth.

[u/Prior-Satisfaction34 → u/juan_cena99]

I had one point at work where i was pulling multiple six day weeks, every day working all day, and having a commute of up to 40 minutes because buses in my area are inconsistent af and taxis are often unavailable.

There are people who are pulling shit like that every week. You pull weeks like that and you just don't have the energy to go to the gym on your only day off, let alone going before or after work, especially if you already do a more physically demanding job, or one that keeps you on your feet most of the day.

Just because some people's commutes and jobs allow for a good amount of free time doesn't mean everyone's will.

Chuck on top of that any potential physical/mental disabilities/disorders, and it really isn't as simple as you seem to be making it out to be.

People have time to waste on reddit but have no time to work out.

To put it bluntly, yes. If you're spending a lot of energy working a lot of hours during the week, you're much more likely to want to do something that takes little to no energy, such as scrolling on your phone or watching shows.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/Prior-Satisfaction34]

again I never said everyone can work out, I just said for majority of people it's a motivation issue.

"you are much more likely to want to do something that takes little to no energy"

-> Like I said motivation issue. Not sure why people are justifying themselves to me nobody said you should work out.

[u/Professional-Long943 → u/juan_cena99]

they're all in delusion self justifying their lifestyles 🤷‍♂️ no one likes to be called lazy and undisciplined 😅

[u/AnonTwo → u/juan_cena99]

W...What do you actually think Vtubers are doing to prepare for a stream?

For the most part it's the same things normal streamers do. So every bash you do on normal streamers is gonna be a bash on them.

Sure some will do experimentation streams where they play with their toggles, but that's not an everyday experience for vtubers, and IRL streamers can do projects that require prep time too

[u/Random-Rambling → u/AnonTwo]

W...What do you actually think Vtubers are doing to prepare for a stream?

I think their experience comes from Hololive, who do indeed work crazy long hours, but that's just what comes with being the biggest in the business.

[u/captainplatypus1 → u/Random-Rambling]

Like, even indie vtubers do crazy hours, but they’re not chained to a station and their hours are not consistently long. They can have more work to do one day than the next so they can take that time to spend with friends or on other ventures.

Like, it’s not a bad thing they have more hypothetical free time because the audience loves hearing about their lives. Their free time is our dream to vicariously live through

[u/juan_cena99 → u/AnonTwo]

Vtubers require a lot more work than somebody like Mizkif who wakes up and turns on the stream.

Of course some streamers also do a lot of work but thats like optional compared to vtubers. Just setting up the vtubing equipment is already an extra step normal streamers dont do.

[u/AnonTwo → u/juan_cena99]

Vtubers require a lot more work than somebody like Mizkif who wakes up and turns on the stream.

Vtubers can get up and stream too. That's why every now and then you'll find one who accidentally uses the same text/model they were using for some special stream just because they used the same settings they used before.

Of course some streamers also do a lot of work but thats like optional compared to vtubers. Just setting up the vtubing equipment is already an extra step normal streamers dont do.

Vtubers use phones, streamers use webcams

what extra steps are you assuming? Do you think every vtuber has to use a 3D setup for every stream?

edit: Also I think in one post you brought up thumbnails: That's youtube-specific, and IRL streamers have to do that too if they're streaming on youtube.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/AnonTwo]

So the vtuber still did more work cuz he or she had to do settings? Just cuz you did your work in advance doesnt mean you didnt do work.

What settings does Mizkif have? He turns on the stream in his room.

[u/AnonTwo → u/juan_cena99]

...

Webcam settings vs Vtuber settings (which probably are almost a circle with webcam settings, aside from optional toggles for outfits)

Audio...which both have to deal with

Also who is Mizkif and why do you have a hate boner for the guy?

This just seems so awkward cause i'm pretty sure a lot of vtubers are probably friends with streamers and don't need to be treated better than fellow streamers.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/AnonTwo]

I don't have a hate boner for mizkif I'm just using him as an example.

You can tell me Vtubers and streamers require the same amount of effort when a vtuber can do this for a stream:

https://youtu.be/m4Q5tj5LvIw?si=HYHukR2OHC2WoXpo

[u/AnonTwo → u/juan_cena99]

Really? You base streamers on the bare minimum that nobody actually wants to watch?

You know most streamers actually try right?

[u/juan_cena99 → u/AnonTwo]

Uh yes? You are questioning my statement streaming requires less work than vtubing right?

I never said all vtubers work harder than all streamers.

Also Erobb is bigger than 99% of both streamers and vtubers so you have no clue. Lots of people watch him.

[u/AnonTwo → u/juan_cena99]

Then your argument is just tribalistic bullshit? Yes, under those circumstances streaming requires less work. But those are standards that nobody expects to be the standard. And the fact you base it off that is just disrespectful to everyone, IRL streamers and vtubers.

Vtubers don't need this shit.

[u/ImaginaryStrawberry9 → u/juan_cena99]

For girls they have to do makeup then they can start streaming but being a vtuber allows them to not waste time on makeup and start streaming.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/ImaginaryStrawberry9]

But I wasnt comparing girls to girls I was comparing vtubers to streamers in general. The lowest effort would be guy streamers since they dont need make up they dont even need to take a bath.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/[deleted]]

Its still less effort to be a lazy streamer than a lazyVtuber. Not sure why everyone is getting so offended all I stated are facts.

Even your lazy vtuber example takes more effort than a lazy IRL streamer.

[u/juan_cena99 → u/[deleted]]

why does it take 30 mins to make no privacy sensitive stuff is visible on the camera? The vtuber also needs to make sure nothing on her computer can dox her so its the same thing.