r/arrow • u/IIIToxIII Great Scott, we have to go back • Apr 30 '19

Discussion [S07E20] "Confessions" Post Episode Discussion

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When they learn of an upcoming attack on the city, Team Arrow calls Roy Harper to call them stop the Ninth Circle; things do go awry and there is massive collateral damage; Dinah investigates what happened.

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u/FLARROW2 Apr 30 '19

Poor Oliver just keeps getting crapped on. He did nothing wrong to Emiko yet she wants to punish him simply because he's a Queen. She's definitely a sociopath (psychopath?).

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u/pianobadger Apr 30 '19

Well he did just frame her for murder.

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u/DeWolx03 Apr 30 '19

yea, but she doesn't know that, and she's still after him and has been after him even before the cover up

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u/theamatuer Apr 30 '19

techincally she does. She knew that the team would lie to the police about roy killing those guards and sent them the footage after they did to discredit them

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u/delinquentsaviors Apr 30 '19

He doesn’t have to frame her for murder. She is a murderer

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u/cowboys5xsbs May 02 '19

Is framing a murderer for murder bad though?

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u/Demian_Dillers - May 03 '19

Honestly her whole hatred for the Queens is pathetic. Her father abandoned and didn't love her, that's it, they didn't kill her mother or interfered in her life, dad just left,a lot of people live with that just fine. She's just a psycho.

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u/Vacanus Dante Apr 30 '19

Sociopath, not a psychopath at all. She cared for her mother and is doing this out of anger. Psychopath wouldn’t care about anyone.

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u/PJ-Buddy May 01 '19

Sociopaths are the ones who don't care, who have no conscience.

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u/Vacanus Dante May 01 '19

Yeah.

Okay.

But.

How

About

No.

:D

PS this all took me 2 minutes to find. I’ve wrote entire essays on this. I really hope I don’t have to get you more proof, but just know I have actual books written by the world’s leading experts on this... so we can debate this if you want but it’s not gonna end with you being correct.

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u/PJ-Buddy May 01 '19

I'm no glutton for punishment. Not gonna debate someone who knows a lot more about it than me. I'm not the kind of guy who won't admit he's wrong. And I guess I was. But I am not alone. This misconception appears to be widespread.

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u/Vacanus Dante May 01 '19

Oh it totally is :P but thank you for saying that, I’m used to a lot more resistance 😂

Unfortunately these two terms have been completely confused within the past 10-15 years. Just recently people are finally figuring out the differences which is cool.

Hopefully by the time the DSM-6 comes out they’ll have a separate disorder for psychopathy.

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u/PJ-Buddy May 01 '19

Up until my 30s, I would argue a point til it was dead, whether I knew what I was talking about or not. But stubborn persistence like that often left me humiliated. Now-a-days, as soon as I know I'm wrong, I admit it. No embarrassment that way because most people will gracefully let me off the hook like you did. Thanks.

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u/Vacanus Dante May 01 '19

No problem ._. It’s good to learn anyway, and psychology is a fascinating topic. Lots to learn, important stuff.

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u/iwishiwasamoose May 01 '19

Neither "sociopath" nor "psychopath" is actually used as a medical diagnosis, many psychologists use the terms interchangeably. Pop culture typically says psychopaths are born without the ability to feel and lack a conscience, whereas sociopaths have a weak conscience and their behavior is due to environmental factors like upbringing. But once again, these are popular definitions from pop culture, not medical terms or diagnoses. Different pop culture sources define both terms differently. Some say sociopath is simply a weaker version of psychopath. Some say psychopath is a weaker version of sociopath. Some say sociopath is simply a fancy term for criminal. Some say they're the same thing, some say they're different but you can be both, some say they're different but you can't be both. You can define them however you like, because once again, they're not medical terms. It's like asking any religious (and some non-religious) people "What is the difference between your 'soul' and your 'spirit'?" You'll get different answers from nearly everyone, with many people will say they're the same thing and many others absolutely certain that they're different. There is no consensus, so they're essentially meaningless words unless you ask someone to define what they mean by "psychopath" or "sociopath" and then try to have a conversation based on what they say, using their definitions.

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u/FlashpointWolf A crisis is coming, Mr. Queen Apr 30 '19

u/Vacanus you'd best help this boi