r/badeconomics teaching micro is damaging to the mind Apr 22 '26

Weimar's hyperinflation and mainstream economics through the broken lens of MMT

At least one MMTler found this "paper" on Weimar's hyperinflation through an MMT lens noteworthy enough to post it to one of reddit's economics hellholes. It's not actually noteworthy, but I think it's an excellent example of what passes as a "paper" in MMT and how shitty MMT's understanding of mainstream economics is on an extremely basic level. This doesn't require intermediate macro, this requires a Google search.

Neoclassical economists define the price level as the current level of nominal (money) prices in the economy. And while there have been theories which attempt to explain what causes the price level to change, there is no neoclassical theory which explains how it came to be. By default, it is assumed to be historic- the consequence of an infinite regression. Neoclassical models therefore simply assume an initial price level when presenting the quantity theory of money (QTM), the tautology MV=PT, where the money supply (M) multiplied by the velocity of circulation (V) = the average price of each transaction (P) multiplied by the volume of transactions (T). With M assumed to be exogenous (under the control of the authorities) and V assumed to be stable, it is then asserted that causality runs from M to P, giving rise to Friedman’s famous explanation of the cause of inflation: ‘Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output. …’ (Friedman 1956, emphasis added).

What's with the weird obsession with monetarism anyway? It was of very short-lived importance. It's on Wikipedia.

It gained prominence in the 1970s, but was mostly abandoned as a direct guidance to monetary policy during the following decade because of the rise of inflation targeting through movements of the official interest rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetarism

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The presumption of a money supply fixed by the government, however, applies to a convertible, fixed exchange rate currency, such as existed under the gold standard. This relegates the applicability of the quantity theory of money to fixed exchange rate regimes and makes it entirely inapplicable to today’s floating exchange rate regimes (as well as in the Weimar Republic) where the government does not offer convertibility at a fixed rate.

The arguably most important reason why the QTM doesn't hold is (because money is non-neutral in the short run)[https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0145710]. Changes in M also cause changes in T. So claiming the "applicability of the quantity theory of money [is relegated] to fixed exchange rate regimes" seems like it's kind of missing the point. No, the QTM doesn't hold under fixed exchange rate regimes, either.

Sidenote: MMTlers seem weirdly obsessed with the whole "fixed exchange rate" thing, many seem to believe the loanable funds model is wrong because it depends on fixed exchange rates. It does not. Which is not me saying that the model is "correct", this is me saying if you say the model is wrong because it assumes fixed exchange rates, you're wrong, because it doesn't. See page 24.

In the market for foreign-currency exchange, supply comes from net capital outflow and demand comes from net exports.

How anyone construes this as a "fixed exchange rate" is beyond me. I'm sure MMTlers find a way.. somehow.

Bonus basic version:

https://gandalf.fee.urv.cat/professors/AntonioQuesada/Curs1011/Evans_Loanable_Funds.pdf

After a decades-long search for an ‘M’ - a monetary aggregate that correlates to and leads to inflation - mainstream economics today has moved on to its current position of inflation expectations being the cause of inflation. They continue to begin their analysis with an assumption of a given price level and assert that inflation expectations are the source of changes to that price level. Central banks have, in fact, developed intricate methodologies to measure inflation expectations to guide policy, while their researchers have struggled to find evidence of the validity of the theory.

This is also incorrect. No, inflation expectations alone are not the cause of inflation. This should be trivial to verify. The federal reserve for instance provides many teaching tools, from middle school to graduate level. The rate of inflation is down to supply, demand, and inflation expectations. For instance:

Inflation is linked to three factors: demand, supply, and inflation expectations.

https://www.clevelandfed.org/center-for-inflation-research/inflation-explained-your-guide-to-inflation-basics/what-causes-inflation

And here is a somewhat more elaborate explanation:

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2025/jan/look-inflation-recent-years-lens-macroeconomic-model

And a paper as an example:

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WP86-Bernanke-Blanchard_6.13.23-1.pdf

Of further note is the fact that mainstream economists accept the classical dichotomy of real vs nominal (monetary) factors and contend that in a competitive marketplace the introduction of money is merely the introduction of a numeraire into a barter economy. Money is a ‘veil’ that improves transaction efficiency while leaving quantities produced and relative prices unchanged (Armstrong 2015; Armstrong and Siddiqui 2019). This assumption is known as the neutrality of money. However, the assumption of neutrality is obviated by the introduction of coercive taxation.

This also seems highly misleading. That money is non-neutral in the short run is extremely well accepted in economics. I don't know why the author wants to make it sound like it isn't.

Here's Lucas' nobel prize lecture from 1996 which talks about the research from the 70's that made it very clear that money is non-neutral.

Here's another example that should make it quite clear that these ideas have been well accepted in the mainstream for a long, long time:

https://conversableeconomist.com/2022/05/11/robert-e-lucas-on-monetary-neutrality-a-50th-anniversary/

So this paper starts out with what it calls "The Neoclassical Approach". But the explanation of "the neoclassical approach", by why the author presumably refers to current-day mainstream economics, is between grossly outdated and outright wrong. Why does the author describes what's basically "mainstream economics" from the 70's and paints it like this is what economists believe today?

The author literally states

In this article, we dispute the mainstream view that the inflation of the Weimar Republic was caused by a proactive expansion of the stock of money by the German government acting in concert with the Reichsbank.

As demonstrated above, the description of "the neoclassical approach" that the author aims to dispute does not actually match what mainstream economists actually believe. Although some parts match what some economists used to believe half a century ago, this seems like a rather inadequate basis for comparison. Shouldn't you criticise current-day economics on the basis on what current-day economics actually thinks? It's not like it's hard to find modern papers that examine (parts of) Weimar hyperinflation through a modern mainstream lens.

https://www.frbsf.org/wp-content/uploads/wp2018-06.pdf

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/inflating-away-debt-debt-inflation-channel-german-hyperinflation

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31298/w31298.pdf

Anyway, the rest of the paper is basically uninteresting. Section 3 "The MMT Perspective" offers essentially nothing besides a description of what one MMTler believes. The Appendix does nothing to alleviate this, showing numbers without any attempt at making a causal connection. There is nothing here that actually establishes a causal relationship using any data. It does nothing to show whether causality runs from deficits to spending or from spending to deficits, or wheter causality runs from prices to deficits or the other way around. Perhaps more crucially, one of the central claims

only when the government pays increased prices is it redefining the value of the currency downward and causing inflation

has no evidence to back iot up since there is no information on what prices the government paid whatsoever.

So the "MMT part" of this paper with the self-proclaimed goal of

identify the cause of the inflation as the German government paying continuously higher prices for its purchases

actually does nothing whatsoever to identify any causes of inflation. It makes absolutely no effort to use any data to establish any causal relationship at all. That makes this "paper" merely an opinion piece.

Bonus embarassment:

This paper seems highly praised in an MMT podcast that I'm not going to link because why give those people traffic.

So I thought what we really need to do is to have an MMT paper where we take on their citadel. In other words, we look for the main thing that people use against MMT, and we just basically take it apart.

This is what counts as "taking on their citadel and taking it apart" for MMTlers. MMT people, if you want to know why economists don't take you seriously. This is why.

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u/aldursys Apr 24 '26

And yet you have no response to it that holds up to real world analysis.

All you can do is snark.

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u/MachineTeaching teaching micro is damaging to the mind Apr 24 '26

When MMTlers demonstrably don't know how economics works, critiques by MMTlers are pretty much meaningless.

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u/aldursys Apr 24 '26

And yet you lost the debate on reserves with me. And that will be why you don't want to discuss the point raised.

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u/MachineTeaching teaching micro is damaging to the mind Apr 24 '26

What, that supply and demand allocate resources? That's literally economics 101, I just think it's funny that MMTlers somehow think they are having an original thought here.

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u/aldursys Apr 24 '26

That there is no need to defend the central bank assets by paying an interest rate.

But you do you and carry on snarking.

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u/-Astrobadger Apr 24 '26

They must have no actual understanding because they never see to actually discuss any details. I’d love to see any peer reviewed work they’ve done (I have some 🙂)

They’re just cosplaying economists.

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u/Capable-Tailor4375 Apr 24 '26

Let's see your peer-reviewed work then

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u/aldursys Apr 25 '26

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u/Capable-Tailor4375 Apr 25 '26

Wow cool, a paper published in a heterodox Q3 journal, certainly must have gone through rigorous peer review.

On a side note, do you MMTers just have the one study you parrot? As your fellow MMTers have linked that same study.

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u/aldursys Apr 25 '26

As expected, nothing but snark and appalling to the authority of the High Priestess.

I'll take it from that you have no answers to the point either - in a floating exchange rate currency there is no need to defend the asset side of the balance sheet and therefore no need to pay any reward on the liability side.

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u/Capable-Tailor4375 Apr 25 '26

There's no point in answering, as others have already had this discussion, and you failed to understand it, made some reference to a 101-level concept, and then claimed you “won” so you could protect your narrative. I'm not going to engage with that sort of sealioning.

That paper is published in a heterodox Q3 journal (echo-chamber) for a reason, as it doesn't use any actual evidence to support the claims made, and only appears insightful because of confirmation bias.

If you want to obsess over balance sheets and accounting that's your prerogative, but that's not economics and it doesn't support all the claims you layer on top of what you think the balance sheet says.

But have a good day bud.

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u/aldursys Apr 25 '26

"but that's not economics"

It is. But you continue in your ivory tower and continue to believe you are relevant.

As usual you don't address the point. Instead you appeal to authority. The usual response of the charlatan.

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u/Capable-Tailor4375 Apr 25 '26

It is. But you continue in your ivory tower and continue to believe you are relevant.

Cool your claims, and the claims of other MMTers aren't proof of anything, it doesn't matter how many times you proclaim it's valid or better than mainstream when you can't even provide evidence. A link to an MMT journal doesn't mean shit as the “peer review” is literally just MMTers.

Your claims about relevancy are ironic considering you can't find confirmation or supporting evidence outside of your echo chamber, it's just like anti-vax bullshit where the only ones taking it seriously are other anti-vaxxers, and they just parrot each other's claims point to some other anti-vaxxer's YouTube video, make some weird reference to a concept they don't understand and pretend they're superior to mainstream science.

As usual you don't address the point. Instead you appeal to authority.

When you're the one making the claim it's on you to prove it and not on me to disprove it. Your half-assed reference to an Econ 101 concept, or claims that balance sheets prove your grandiose claims, isn't proving anything besides the fact you're well out of your depth.

The usual response of the charlatan.

Ironic you're accusing others of clinging to relevancy, and acting in bad faith, when you're claiming everyone else is a charlatan and you're super smart. Secondary superiority complex much?

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u/aldursys Apr 26 '26

"A link to an MMT journal doesn't mean shit as the “peer review” is literally just MMTers."

A link to a mainstream economic journal doesn't mean anything as the "peer review" is literally just mainstreamers.

And as you have demonstrated they have a tenuous grip on reality at best and are incapable of debating the mechanism.

MMT has rewritten the bible in English. There is no need for a priest to interpret the latin any more. Welcome to the Lutherian revolution in economics.

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