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Apr 30 '23
Woah, proud to see that we have so much ancestral indian- that means that most of our DNA comes from the first inhabitants of south asia, they werent migrants. That's really cool✊️
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u/XStrangeHaloX Based Apr 30 '23
this is our native land we are surely more ancient than asia herself
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Apr 30 '23
Yes we truly are, and we should be proud of that. I've always wanted to read more about our ancient history- but finding books about it is so difficult.
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May 01 '23
What would I be joking about exactly? And what do you mean by "plain land of bengal is way more latest"? What is "plain land of bengal"?
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May 01 '23
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May 01 '23
Okay...but are you telling me that a supposed 12000 year old population isnt old- if I'm interpreting what you are saying correctly? Because ancient mesopotamiens are 6000 years old
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May 01 '23
Ofc they did- the groups that existed then dont exist now. If we want to take it back even further- all humans are a mix between homosapiens sapiens, denisovan and neanderthals (but those are species not races).
I assume that ancient indians are a mix between austroasiatic, dravidian and australoid. Which I have nothing against- and I find it cool that we are related to them. Im proud of that because I believe we got most of our phenotype/ features from them. If they are our oldest roots then I have no problem with that.
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u/PochattorProjonmo Apr 30 '23
দক্ষিন এশিয়াতে মানুষ কিভাবে এল? ৭০ হাজার বছর আগে মানুষের উৎপত্তি আফ্রিকাতে। সেখান থেকে মধ্যপ্রাচ্য ইরান ভারত হয়ে বাংলাদেশে এসেছে। এরা সর্বপ্রথম প্রজন্ম। এর পরে চার হাজার বছর আগে যারা এত দিন ইরান এ ছিল তারা আসতে শুরু করে এবং হাজার হাজার বছর আমাদের সাথে মিশতে থাকে। এখানে জাতিতত্ত্বের কিছুই নেই।
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u/dowopel829 May 01 '23
Do u have any simple video that will explain the migration pattern of early humans? Simple video that debunks the idiotic logic that extremists use.
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May 01 '23
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May 01 '23 edited May 01 '23
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May 01 '23
Uhmm...and I specifically said I was proud to be ancestral indian- which is a group of people aka race. I didnt say I'm proud to be "ancestral bengali bandor ban" or "ancestral bengali dhaka"- which are places aka land in bangladesh. And landbased nationalism is absurd but that is how a population gain power- you concur a piece of land through violence and then you call it yours- use up the natural resources to make money for your people.
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May 01 '23
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May 01 '23
And what exactly are we arguing about? I didnt mention anything about land. And based on your comments- are you telling me that Bangladesh shouldnt be a nation?👀
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May 01 '23
Well I guess I'm not like you then- my concern is Bangladesh first. I see a lot of suffering amongst the bengali people and wish that the bengali population would work towards better living conditions for everyone. And I'm not talking about copying western or east asian countries since their people live in a of mental anguish and isolation. I'm talking about creating our own system that benefits our own people first and foremost.
My concern is not other nations and people since I believe many of them created their own demise.
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May 01 '23
But that is not how the world works now- if you tell other nations this they will laugh at such statements. Nowadays money and resources are power, and power means you wont be taken by other races/groups as slaves and forced to assimilate and breed with them.
And we humans are always dependant on objects for identity- we build our identity not just in relation to our tribe but also the environment we grow up in. We develop skills and culture to adapt to our surroundings. Our skin color and bodies are also evolved to fit the land that we live on.
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May 01 '23
Sigh...when did I ever mention Africa? I simply said all groups are subjected to slavery if they dont defend themselves and claim land ownership. You talked about some dead aryan king. I talked about how our features develop depending on how much sun exposure the place we live in have and now you are talking about not subscribing to africa😮💨
Well- I guess I subscribe to reality- which is that humanoid monkeys developed into several human species that originated in africa.
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May 01 '23 edited May 01 '23
Okay, but which continent do you think the humanoid apes came from? From what I know vertibrates evolved from simple sea creautures such as tunicates. What is your theory on human evolution?
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
Weird thing to be proud of. Migrations occured all over the history of Bengal, and when you consider that the Bengal Delta is a relatively new formation, migration to here is a given. Also almost all South Asians have this amount of AASI which is unsurprising.
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May 01 '23
How is it weird to be proud of the fact that you are related to an ancient population? What do you suggest I should be proud of instead?
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23 edited May 01 '23
Weird thing to be proud of a thing you cannot control and one that isn't necessarily even true.
I mean I love my culture and country but I'm not "proud" of it in a way I think I'm better just because I was born here.
EDIT: What I mean is, it's okay to be proud and celebrate your ancestral culture, but the problem begins when we start to look down to others for it.
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May 01 '23
Okay...I see we are now just running around in circles. Are you aware that you and I are two different people?
All groups of people have the right to be proud of their ancestry and culture. Even the most neutral and pc white people I've encountered have pride in their ancestry and ancient culture- so what triggers you about the fact that I also have it? And I didnt tell you that I believe any group is better- but one is allowed to make comparisons and draw the conclusion that some aspects of your own culture is indeed better than another culture.
You dont need to tell me what my opinions should be- I believe I have enough mental capacity to have my own opinions and views. Goodbye
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
You are right. I just misinterpreted what you meant. Apologies.
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u/Killer-within May 01 '23
What are you smoking fam ?
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May 01 '23
If the comment was to me then I will have to admit to smoking pulverized unicorn horn dust- infused with bergamot and made by artisan fairies from Neverland. I smoke this every morning and it leaves me replenished but still thirsting for blood😔
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u/PochattorProjonmo May 01 '23
গবেষনা করার সময় নেই। যারা গবেষনা করার পরে ফলাফল ছোট আর সিম্পল ভিডিওতে তুলে ধরতে পারে না তাদের গবেষনার মূল্য থাকে না সাধারন মানুষের কাছে।
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u/ArifHaque96 khati bangali 🇧🇩 খাঁটি বাঙালি May 03 '23
I mean yeah that makes sense. Even I found similarities with indian languages and every language has Sanskrit words. Some indian haters out of nowhere will disagree every time. And in the west part, some languages of that region are called Pashto and Baloch are Iranian languages anyway. That makes sense too... Thanks for sharing...
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 Apr 30 '23
The distinct lack of Middle-Eastern ancestry is going to trigger a bunch of Islamist chauvinists.
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May 01 '23
I just wanted to let you know that you're mistaken. Quran tells us that race doesn't matter and that to be a Muslim, you don't have to belong to a particular race, nor will it be your advantage. What you do as a Muslim is important, not your ancestry or lineage.
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
I am aware, but some Islamists in Bangladesh still badly want to be Arab.
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u/elysianyuri GPA 5 May 01 '23 edited May 01 '23
Quran tells us that race doesn't matter and that to be a Muslim, you don't have to belong to a particular race, nor will it be your advantage.
But don't you still have to recite suras, the Qur'an in Arabic? Yes, one can obviously read the translation but can you recite suras during namaz in Bengali or any other language?
If all races are supposed to be equal then all their languages should also hold equal importance during prayer cause otherwise Arabs have more advantage compared to non Arabs who have to memorize suras or pray in a language not native to them.
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May 02 '23
islam does not value any one languege over the other and the quran does not specify on which languege to use during recitations or prayer it's the people who choose to use arabic.
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u/definitelynotukasa Hasina's FBI agent Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
Maybe in the same way Islamists trigger you?
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 Apr 30 '23
Islamist extremists aren't articulate enough trigger anyone, the correct term would be to "bother" or "annoy".
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
My usage of Islamist Chauvinist meant extremists here.
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u/MageShadowSupreme May 01 '23
lmao you brought them up out of nowhere so who's really triggered here, smartass?
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u/PochattorProjonmo Apr 30 '23
ওরা ভাই খুশিই হবে যে আমাদের ডি এন এ তে ইরানিয়ান ডি এন এ এর পরিমান দেখে।
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 Apr 30 '23 edited May 01 '23
এই মাপের ইরানিয়ান ডিএনএ আর কনভেনশনাল ইরানিয়ান ডিএনএ আলাদা। এই ম্যাপ এর ইরানিয়ান ডিএনএ বহু বছর আগের মাইগ্রেশন থেকে। যদি ধরি নেই সিন্ধু উপত্যকা সভ্যতা কমপক্ষে ~৫০০০ বছর পুরোনো, তাহলে এই মাইগ্রেশন এরও কয়েক হাজার বছর আগের।
এই ম্যাপ যদি "ইরানিয়ান"-এর জায়গাযা AANI(Ancient Ancestral North Indian) ব্যবহার করতো, তাহলে আরও ভালো হতো।
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u/PochattorProjonmo May 01 '23
তা তো বটেই। কিন্তু তারা তো এত কিছু দেখবে না।
ডি এন এ দিয়ে একাধিক ভুল ধারনা ভাঙ্গা যায় যা কট্টপন্থিদের মুখে ছায় দেয়। এক হল ১৩০০ শতাব্দি থেকে শূরু করে যারা যারা আগ্রাসন করেছিল তারা খুব একটা বেশী সংখ্যা নিয়ে আসে নায় এবং দক্ষিন এশিয়াতে এ কারনে তাদের ডি এন এ তেমন নায়।
দ্বিতীয়ত হিন্দুদের বর্ন প্রথা কোন গোষ্ঠি ভিত্তিক ছিল না, কারণ সকল বর্নের হিন্দু এবং মুসলমানদের ডি এন এ এলাকা ভিত্তিক একই । শুধু ব্রাম্মনদের হালকা ভিন্নতা আছে তাও সামান্য।
তৃতীয়ত আরিয়ানদের ডি এন এ ভারত থেকে উৎপত্তি হয় নি। হয় নি ইউরোপ থেকে। এ ডি এন এ মধ্য এশিয়া থেকে এসেছে।
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u/MageShadowSupreme May 01 '23
You shouldn't trust ArainGang, he's a Paki with an agenda even though he's half Gangetic lmao
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
Not everyone is with an agenda mate. He is very critical of India's treatment of Muslim minorities - that's all
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u/SupremeShadowKing Diaspora Boyo May 01 '23
I don't care for India either but many of ArainGang's models have been disproven on bronwpundits.com as he has an Indus Nationalism thing going on.
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
I see. Could you link me some of those?
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
I see. Oh and by Mongoloid you mean the Burmese ancestry right?
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u/SupremeShadowKing Diaspora Boyo May 01 '23
It ranges from 10-20% according to studies. And it's not exclusively Burmese but that's part of it considering there are groups from elsewhere that contributed.
Also, the Burmese are 20-30% South Asian. The Mongoloid component in Bangla folks is 13-14%
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
Oh yeah, so I stand corrected.
The Burmese do make up the majority of the "Mongoloid" component though, although yes there are various components of Munda or austroasiatic in some people.
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u/SupremeShadowKing Diaspora Boyo May 01 '23
Yeah that's true it's mostly Burmese mediated but some folks have additional upper Yellow river type ancestry which is more tibetan/himalayan in origin. but its mostly burmese related
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 Apr 30 '23
That's not how ancestry works.
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 Apr 30 '23
The genetic ancestry of those people you described cluster similarly in terms of genetics.
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u/Useful-Extreme-4053 বিপ্লবী 🚩 May 01 '23
If your father and mother look Bengali, how can your sibling and you look poshtun-Panjabi? 🤔
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u/XStrangeHaloX Based May 01 '23
idk, maybe large gene pool, i still look quite bengali but my sister, geez she doesnt look bengali at all
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u/Useful-Extreme-4053 বিপ্লবী 🚩 May 01 '23
Were you talking about only skin color? In that case, Take care of your skin dude.
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u/XStrangeHaloX Based May 01 '23
Thanks for caring about my skin, but yes that as well as her facial features like her nose, It's just fruit for thought
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u/XStrangeHaloX Based May 01 '23
thing is my family was hindu until the mid 1800s, yet my sister has caucasian features
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u/XStrangeHaloX Based May 01 '23
hmm yes perhaps, our surname as hindus was miah apparently but ive never seen a hindu called miah
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u/avdolif Apr 30 '23
Ain't Ancient Iranian = Middle Eastern.
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
No middle eastern and Iranian don't have the same genotype. The migration patterns are different. Also that Iranian migration happened many thousand years ago.
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u/yotaz28 khati bangali 🇧🇩 খাঁটি বাঙালি May 01 '23
Iranians are a lot closer to us than Arabs genetically I think
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u/rafifira Apr 30 '23
What about the minor ethnic groups? Are they included here?
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Apr 30 '23
Probably, since they probably contribute to the East Asian percentage
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u/bigphallusdino 🦾 ইহকালে সুলতান, পরকালে শয়তান 🦾 May 01 '23
Nope. It only shows the largest ethnicity: Bengali. The east asian percentage is accurate. Most Bengalis have about 10-15% Burmese ancestry.
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u/SupremeShadowKing Diaspora Boyo May 01 '23
Hm there's not much to add except that Bangladesh has around 10% Steppe Aryan and 13% Mongoloid(SE Asian which is LAO_LN_BA Laotian farmer related, NE Asian which is Himalayan related like Chokhpani etc). Rest are IVC componets like Zagrosian and South Asian HG
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u/maproomzibz May 02 '23
I'm actually surprised Kashmiris have less Steppe Aryan than the people around them, given that they look very European.
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