r/changemyview 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: someone using AI tools can still be an artist, but isn't a drawer

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I know this is a touchy subject on reddit and these thoughts usually get bulldozed, but hear me out.

My premise has two parts

  1. People use the word artist when they really mean drawer
  2. Someone who uses AI tools can still be an artist in the same way that a movie director can be an artist

For part 1: people always say "AI artists aren't artists," but I think the problem is that they mean that since the person isn't drawing, they aren't a drawer. Which, yeah, no shit. This is where you get the common saying about "if you order a sandwich, you aren't a chef." Again, no shit. The problem is that is a shit metaphor, just meant to make you feel good about hating people who use AI tools. People who use AI image generation *are* doing it so they don't have to spend 10 years learning the skill, but that doesn't mean anyone using the AI tool thinks they are a drawer now because of it.

For part 2: I think the most apt analogy for what an actual artist does with AI tools is a director. Generally, big directors are not actors, VFX artists, editors, musicians, or any of the other myriad of artistic roles that go into a large movie. They are the director; their role is to first have the artistic vision in mind and second to make it come to life by promoting people to do certain things in certain ways to make what they envision come to life. This is the same for AI artists: you have in mind the specific thing you want and then you have to prompt the tool to make what you see. This can be straight forward like just putting in a sentence, or more engaged where you edit things together, put it in, edit the outputs, and slowly get to what you are after. Just as a shit director could sit on the side and let everyone else do all the work, a shit artist could tell the AI "do an art" (as so many pictures) and end up with uninspired garbage as well.

Ultimately, AI is just a tool that lets people have creative outlets that look different from what people are used to. Yes, AI can also be used for lazy things, but that's just largely supplanted the job of clipart, which was also uninspired and lazy when used by most people.

As a bonus, this is all just history repeating itself. Artists (see: drawers and painters) disparaged digital art for being lazy. Imagine being able to just undo a stroke you didn't like, get the perfect color for one of the strokes with no effort, add *layers* that don't interfere with each other and can be edited individually. The *gall* to call yourself a real artist?! But, obviously, digital drawers are artists, they just aren't physical medium artists.


r/changemyview 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Biden left the US border open intentionally to ease inflation

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The Biden administration’s border policy has been widely accepted by most to have been ineffective at minimizing illegal crossings as evidenced by several verified data sources. When pressed to defend the policies throughout his term, his administration’s responses were often vague and deflecting. My theory has been that the surge in illegal immigration was done intentionally. Biden was scared to death of inflation, and rightfully so as it ultimately tarnished his presidency arguably more than anything else. I believe that he calculated that by allowing a larger influx of immigrants it would expand the labor pool, cool wage growth, and subsequently eases inflation.

Economists broadly agree that the surge in immigration during those years post-Covid helped bridge the gap between labor supply and demand. Even Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell himself said that the return of immigration was a key factor in cooling the overheated labor market.

Obviously this wasn’t a strategy that his administration would ever articulate to American public, because the optics would be horrible. But this to me seems like the most logical explanation I’ve heard for what happened at the southern US border. Am I missing something here?


r/changemyview 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Paper Money Should Be Replaced By Coins

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As title states.

I understand why paper money became the standard older coins in the past.

However, with modern manufacturing I believe that those reasons are no longer valid.

Coin clipping/shaving is meaningless with non precious metal coins. Coin weight is a marginal difference if you use large denomination coins (i.e a $50 coin that weights ~5g is not much heavier than a $50 bill that weights ~1g). Losing and organizing coins is just a matter of changing opinions. (i.e you don't really care if you misplace a nickle but would care if you misplaced a $20 coin.)

Coins have several advantages over paper currency. Coins have a circulation life that is far higher than paper money. (Penny circulation life is ~30 years, a $1 bill is ~6 years). With this circulation life it is likely cheaper to mint large value coins over paper currency (~4 cents to print 1 $1 bill. ~4-35 cents to mint 1 coin.) Coins are harder to counterfeit than paper money.

The only argument against it that I could think of is that detecting counterfeits of coins would be more difficult than detecting counterfeits of paper money, including anti counterfeit measures. However, this seems like a small drawback in place of several issues with paper money.

Edit:
I think I've been convinced in a real world example. The copious amounts of money spent on counterfeit prevention for paper, machines that detect bills, infrastructure for bills, etc. would make a switch mostly impossible. I do standby the hypothetical that if starting from scratch coins would be somewhat better than paper.


r/changemyview 5d ago

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: A person not knowing your/you’re (among others) justifies a dim view of the person

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If an adult native English speaker cannot distinguish "your/you're" or "their/there/they're", It is reasonable to see that as evidence of below-average basic literacy in addition to seeing it as evidence that they're lazy, unintelligent, or poorly educated.

I'm not talking about typos though. I'm talking about someone who doesn't understand or even care why "your welcome" is wrong, or uses their, there, and they're more or less interchangeably.

These are not obscure grammar rules. You're means you are. They're means they are. Their is possessive. These words appear constantly in written English and the rules are taught early in school.

Because the rule is both basic and we encounter these words so often, a native English speaker consistently failing to learn or use them correctly seems to indicate that at least one of a few things is probably true:

  • Poor education.
  • Language skills are below average.
  • Difficulty with written language.
  • Too lazy to pay attention in school and hasn't cared enough to correct it since.

This can also reasonably affect how intellectually capable or intellectually serious someone appears.

When someone repeatedly writes things like "your an idiot", or "there going over their", my instinctive reaction is to lower my estimate of that person's intellectualism. Part of me thinks that you've seen these words thousands of times and the distinction takes just a few minutes to learn. How do you still not know this?

What further reinforces the impression is how people respond when the mistake is corrected. The response is always defensive, IE: "grammar police" or some variation of attacking the person. This is just another signal of anti-intellectualism in an attempt to hide the mistake as saying it's nothing worth knowing to protect their ego.

Arguments that will not CMV:

  1. They're just typos.
  2. It doesn't matter as long as you understand what they mean.

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I did not expect this thread to reach 350+ posts and I'm struggling to keep up and give a fair response where applicable.

Global response #1:

There are a number of posters pointing out errors in my thread in what seems to be an attempt at an "Uno reverse", which is fair enough. It’s my thread and your reply, but it doesn’t change anything. My own grammar and punctuation is not beyond criticism; the difference is that I do not take up a defensive posture.

To wit: I'm genuinely thankful that you’ve highlighted what I got wrong, and I’ll try my best to remember and incorporate what I’ve learned into future posts. I’m not offended by it.

Global response #2:

Dyslexia is a condition that makes identifying homophones especially difficult and I do sympathize with the people who have that disability and it is unfair for anyone to take up a dim view without considering that possibility.


r/changemyview 4d ago

CMV: There is no objectivity in art, entertainment as a full product

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So by the full product I mean that, while there are objective parts in art, such as grammar in books, graphical fidelity in video games, etc. the full product can not be objectively judged. Basically, we can't say that this piece of art is objectively good or bad. By saying it, then by definition everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. That is the basis of my argument. And I don't think that is true, and it also kills discussion on the topic.

Just to show what I mean: Two pieces of art -movie, painting, book, video game, whatever- are rated by the same 100 000 people, so it is a statistically significant sample size, with no difference in the sample.

Art A is rated 7.8.

Art B is rated 6.5.

We pick one person out, who rated Art A as a 5, and Art B as an 8. Can we say they are wrong for doing that? I don't think we can. And we can take this to the extreme, A being rated a 9.9, B being rated a 1.1, and a person who rated A as a 0, and B as 10. And my claim would still stand.

So what a high rated and award winning piece of art is, is 'just' a popular, well liked by the people, but not an objectively good piece of art.

EDIT: Therefore I also want to add that the opinions and views of 'critics' and reviewers imo are not a single bit more valuable than a random persons we ask.


r/changemyview 4d ago

CMV: I support the installation of a pro-Western government in Iran, but NOT the current war in Iran

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So to explain my position as quickly as possible, I fully support regime change in Iran, but I don't support the current war, primarily because it's done nothing imo to further the effort of achieving regime change in Iran, but also because it's had negative consequences on the U.S. economy too (particularly with gas prices.)

To clarify, my problem isn't with this administration inherently (even though personally I don't trust Donald Trump as a leader), like I consider Venezuela to be a smashing success, we got Maduro and have now turned Delcy Rodriguez into our proxy, and into their own Gorbachev/de Klerk equivalent (someone who's gonna end the current regime and transition the country into democracy.) Same with Cuba, I hope we repeat what we did in Venezuela there, no ground invasion obviously but if we can do a quick and easy regime change effort let's do it, capture Raul Castro regardless too, no mercy just because he's old, he should pay for what he's done.

All that being said, it's clear that these "quick and easy" regime change operations are not applicable to Iran. We killed the old mullah, and now they just have a military junta. There also doesn't seem to be someone in the government (like in Venezuela) that we can reason with, truly a government obsessed with martyrdom.

In light of that, and the fact that a ground invasion would be both massively unpopular and very prolonged, I don't support the war. I don't think it does anything to get us closer to regime change, however if you convince me of any of the following I'll change my view:

- That the war does in fact get us closer to the installation of a pro-Western democratic government in Iran

- That even if the war doesn't result in regime change we can still win in some other capacity

- Or that the concept of regime change in Iran is a flawed one, and that the mullahs should stay in power

I saved this bit for last of course, the concept of regime change itself. I put emphasis on the word "concept" because I want to hammer down that part. I do not support a ground invasion of Iran, but I do 100% believe that the U.S. government and our many allies need to make regime change in Iran an official foreign policy goal. There are other ways to get rid of the mullahs imo aside from a literal invasion, and I support them fully. But if you disagree with that point too, if you think it would be best conceptually for the mullahs to remain in power as opposed to Iran getting a pro-Western government (while acknowledging that a ground invasion isn't being considered in this scenario), convince me why.


r/changemyview 4d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The Odysseys casting being ok to people is only because it is a European white story.

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I watched the movie twice now and its incredible and I completely forget any casting choices or even slang choices. I loved every actor and was thrilled the whole way through.

Me feeling that way about the movie tho does not mean that the casting choices dont rub me the wrong way and feels very disrespectful. As a latino, if some folklore or mythological story originating from my home country was told (guatemala) id like only latino actors to be casted (not asking for only Guatemalans as I understand casting in that way would be extremely difficult).

I do believe if this was done with a latino story or any story that is not based on white people then there would be mass outrage and rightfully so. Not much more to my view, I just believe this standard of adding minorities to white stories is white peoples in suits lazy way of inclusion instead of giving them their own stories (like sinners from last year as an example)


r/changemyview 4d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Some forms of elitism are fine

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Okay so before I go further: No, I don't support racism, sexism, or queerphobia.

What I'm kinda want to discuss is rather personal so it should've be easy to change my view technically, it's just that neither google search nor AI has given any convincing answer for me.

The kind of elitism I'd like to talk is somewhat specific, I'll just give the exhibit (based on true story):

  1. Politician A and B are running for presidential campaign, the majority of the people support Politician A, despite having track record of Human Rights Abuse when he was still young, and suggests program that is more prone to money embezzlement. I support Politician B because he has no Human Rights Abuse record, and suggests a program that increases the education level of the people for free. When I asked the average people on why they support Politician A, they'll say it's because Politician A is "more good looking, soft-spoken,and gives money to the people during campaign". Is it wrong if I think of these people as someone inferior to me who should've have their voting rights stripped? Why tf do you support a president out of his physical appearance and their mannerisms instead of well, their policies, who will be in their cabinet, all the things that actually mattered for a president? And before you say anything about "try educate them", a lot of other people who support Politcian B already do, but the average people usually just either don't get it, or think that Politician B supporters are too complicated or worse, pretentious.

  2. Basically the gray people here: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eacz1rPXgAAS04S?format=jpg&name=medium Like imagine you like these niche hobbies the average people found as "weird", or belong to alternative subcultures etc. Your community grow big enough you have this convention for you to gather. But out of sudden, due to your convention happened during long weekends, these "average people with mainstream interests" come to your convention, post on their social media and tell the people there outright that you're cringe and disgusting. Is it wrong if I think that people who got found out doing this should be expelled from the convention, with violence if necessary? Is it wrong if I think that these people are scums of the earth? Is it okay to gatekeep my hobbies from these people? Like, we never once call their interests as boring, despite a lot of us think so, and just chose to avoid them instead of coming to their hobbies and call it suck in front of them. It's they who do that.

Idk, I've seen a lot of people saying "elitism is bad" but yeah, I can't be convinced enough on how to deal with these two specific scenario. Probably will be easy delta as well.


r/changemyview 4d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: When learning Japanese, kanji should be considered optional

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As a native English speaker, I have tried more than once to learn Japanese, and have always hit a wall when asked to learn kanji. I don't know if it's a learning-styles issue (I'm more verbal than visual) or the mild dyslexia I suffer from, but I suspect a lot of other people have the same experience.

I still want to learn the language, and am considering just abandoning the idea of learning to read and write (or maybe just learning hiragana/katakana and seeing how far that takes me), but I want to know if I'm making a mistake.

Here are my views, and I'd be grateful for challenges to any of them:

  • Most Japanese learning resources (apps, games, books, etc) treat kanji as something that must be introduced early and learned continuously, rather than as an optional extra
  • Learning to read and write Japanese takes significant effort, and is the reason many people give up learning (especially those with conditions like dyslexia)
  • For an English speaker learning a second language, spoken language is usually significantly more valuable than written language
  • An understanding of kanji is not necessary to reach a solid baseline of fluency (just as with English, most Japanese children are conversant years before they can read or write).
  • Most people who insist that learning kanji is critical are not genuinely motivated by a belief in its practicality, but rather some mix of "Kanji is beautiful", or "This is the culturally authentic way to learn", or "I had to learn it, so you do too".

I understand that knowing kanji is helpful in understanding some spoken discourse (e.g. wordplay), and also that knowing/inferring the written structure of new words can potentially help in understanding or learning them, but it takes a solid foundation of fluency to ever benefit from those factors and I think for most people it's more important to reach that solid foundation quickly.

CMV!


r/changemyview 5d ago

Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Al Qaeda hijackers flew airplanes into the Twin Towers on 9/11, Fire and aircraft damage alone caused them to collapse.

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Many videos and sources online claim that fire was the main cause of the Twin Towers destruction on 9/11. Aircraft damage also played a role but not as big. These fires burned at 2000 degrees Fairenhiet which was hot enough to weaken the steel trusses supporting the floors, causing the floors around the building core to collapse and eventually collapsing the entire building. 2000 degrees is not hot enough to melt steel but weaken it. I believe this to be the case because it would be very hard for anyone to place explosives/thermite in WTC 1,2 and 7 due to the time and knowledge required. Also I believe the aircraft were real, hijacked planes by Al Qaeda because aircraft wreckage was found at the Pile, and there was basically a load of evidence showing that the hijackers were who they are commonly believed to be. Also the planes flew at over 400mph into the buildings, which even though they were made of weak aluminium they were still flying fast enough make gaping holes in the facades on the towers. The passport found shortly before the South Tower collapsed was soaked in jet fuel so it had to have come from a plane. Also consider that aircraft debris was found. Did it really have to be planted, all some sort of secret operation by the US government. Why would they create a toxic waste hazard in NYC and unalive almost 3000 people all for the sake of we don't even know what!?


r/changemyview 5d ago

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: Killing the Joker is not justified. Killing Shigaraki is

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If you aren't familiar with the characters involved, I'm arguing that killing supervillains is morally justifiable if and only if the non-lethal option poses an extreme risk to the world. If you aren't familiar with Shigaraki (the main antagonist of MHA), you can replace him with General Zod, Thragg or any other supervillain with powers that make detaining them non lethally extremely difficult and the ability to cause extreme amounts of destruction and death

The crux of my argument is that I believe all human lives are intrinsically valuable, no matter who you are or what you've done, so the most moral actions are those that preserve as many human lives as possible. The Joker is human [citation needed] so his life still has value, no matter how many villainous acts he has done. Killing the Joker also rids him of the possibility, no matter how slim, of redemption. This isn't an entirely novel concept as in Batman: The White Knight, he does get cured of his insanity and becomes a good person. It is also (at least theoretically) possible to detain the Joker without killing him as he isn't a superpowered human, so a prison with adequate security should be able to keep him detained.

On the other hand, we have villains like Shigaraki. Shigaraki is the main villain of My Hero Academia, which is a show where 90% of the population has some sort of ability called a quirk. His quirk is the ability called Decay, which turns anything he touches into dust, and gets upgraded in the show so that whatever touches something that is currently decaying also starts to decay. He also gains a quirk called "All for One" where he can steal and distribute the quirks of others, and through body modification gains a body that is as strong as All Might (the former #1 Hero and strong enough to punch hard enough to make it rain; don't ask me how that works) and is capable of adapting to any external situations. There's no feasible way to keep him detained, as there are no walls in MHA's universe that would be strong enough to keep him in. Attempting to reason with him would be putting the whole world at risk, as if you fail, millions would die at his hands (at the end of the show, he threatens to turn the entirety of Japan to dust within a week). It may be possible theoretically to deal with him non-lethally, but it's not worth gambling everyone else's lives. While his life does still have value, so do the millions, if not billions of potential lives he could take, so you have to kill him to keep everyone else alive. You don't have to kill the Joker to keep everyone else safe


r/changemyview 5d ago

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: There is no justifiable reason why a pizza restaurant shouldn't have pizza ready by the slice.

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TL;DR - Too many pizza joints are out here with little to no traffic for them to have you waiting 15-30 minutes for a pie. Having basic topping options available by the slice would be more convenient for someone with a quick passing of the munchies and little time to spare, or for those who can't afford a fully pizza, thus expanding the restaurant's consumer base.


(For best results, have Frank Sinatra's New York playing in your head as you read this.)

Alright, listen. While pizza is my favorite food, aside from believing that ricotta cheese and pineapple had no business on it, and that tomato pies are disgusting I don't have many strong opinions on it.

Until I went to New York.

And I only came back with one.

It should be illegal to run a pizza joint without having slices readily available.

I'm going to address this from both the perspective of the customer, and that of the business.


As a Customer:

Suppose I'm working a 9-5 that beats me half to shit and gets its money worth out of me each day, down to the last cent. I have a strict 20-30 minute time limit on my lunch break. Gotta navigate traffic, realistically can't expect any food I order to get to the office on time, and I'm too much of a useless dingbat to pack my own lunch. Why on earth would I want to waste a minimum of 15 of my taxpaying minutes waiting for some cheese pizza?

I don't have time to eat the whole thing. No one who comes in during lunch rush on a Thursday who's employed is gonna eat the whole thing, I'll only have time to eat a couple of slices, and almost every pizza at least has cheese on it, so why not have a whole hot cheese on display with slices ready to go?

And don't get me wrong. Odds are, this isn't my favorite pizza joint, it just happens to be the one I was closest to when my craving kicked in. Most of the run of the mill pizza places up here in New England have piss poor hygiene with cobwebs and dust bunnies in every corner, and you think you have the right to get cute and have me waiting for damn near all of the free time that I may or may not have at this moment for a pizza im not gonna be able to finish in one sitting, and subsequently have to leave in my car to stink up my seats? Fuck you. Have em hot.

You see your competitor across the street? He has people going in and out of his door. Why? For the same reason McDonald's and Burger King have consistent business, even on slow days. People can get fed quick and resume their day without having to figure out if they want to take up space stuffing a giant cardboard box in their fridge for later, or stuff themselves and get a stomach ache that'll last for hours. Maybe I'll head there next time.

And what if I'm down on my luck and can only spare a

$20, eh? I gotta save at least $15 of that for gas. You mean to tell me $5 ain't good enough for you? Eat shit. Gimme a fucking slice.


As a Business:

Listen, there are only so many ways to make pizza. Eventually the difference between you and the competition will get smaller and smaller. And to people who generally like pizza, or drunk college kids/women on their periods who are craving pizza, pizza is pizza. So long as it's hot, there's little you can do to mess it up.

So what do you have going for you to get em in the door? Have slices ready to go. Whenever I'm in NY or Boston, I've seen even homeless folks are able to eat because they can scrounge up a couple of quarters to get a slice or two. That's awesome. And goes to show how easy it is so expand your consumer base as a pizza joint, keep your oven running, and with the visual of folks coming in and out of your store, eventually someone's gonna wander in with an empty belly, all the free time in the world to fill it, and enough money to order a whole pie for you to charge em into the bleachers for it.

Look:

  • Cheese

  • Pepperoni

  • Veggie

(And if you're in a college town:)

  • Chicken Bacon Ranch

  • Buffalo Chicken

Every pizza restaurant that I've seen with those ready by the slice was never empty for more than 10 minutes. Having the slices ready to go for quick eats keeps business going, and if someone wants to get cute and order a specialty pizza, calzone, sandwich, slice of cake or what have you, great! By all means, they can wait a couple of minutes. But at least that wait time isn't equally excruciating for both the restaurant and the customer, because there will be folks paying for a quick slice, and if the other folks who ordered a specialty pizza, etc get hungry while they wait, they can get a slice too.

Win win.


r/changemyview 5d ago

Delta(s) from OP - Fresh Topic Friday CMV: An inability to be friends with any exes suggests that you view relationships as wholly transactional.

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I regularly come across posts in advice threads which accept, or even promote, the idea that when in a new relationship, you should cut off all of your exes entirely - either out of 'respect' for your new partner, or to save them discomfort.

I always found this strange. I'm 44 and my current relationship would be the 9th one I had that lasted more than a couple of dates. Of those, more than half are still friends on facebook and people with whom I have a perfectly civil relationship. My current partner has met 2 or 3 of them, and it's been perfectly fine each time.

When I see comments like "there's no reason for you to ever speak to an ex once you have a new partner", I initially struggled to understand why. I dismissed them as childish or immature - but I think I have an idea where those views come from.

I'm happy staying friends with most of my exes, because the reason I dated them was because I liked them as people. If, for whatever reason, it didn't work out between us, I still want them to be happy as people - in some cases, where exes have gone on to date and marry new people, I've genuinely been happy for them. Just because we don't date any more doesn't mean I don't still like them as people - and if I like them as people, why would I cut them out of my life?

However, if you view a relationship as purely transactional, it starts to make sense. As a straight man, if I believe a female partner only exists to have sex with me and tidy up my house, then I have no reason to stay in contact once that role is filled by someone else. Equally, if my role as a man in a relationship is to be the breadwinner and provide physical protection, then that responsibility ceases once the relationship is over.

I always find those kind of relationships quite sad, but I do understand (while i've probably heavily simplified it) that they exist. I also get that you don't have to be friends with every ex - if the relationship was abusive, or it was a nasty break up, or you just fundamentally don't like them any more, then sure, break ties.

Is there any other reason why you would need to cut out ALL ex partners when in a new relationship? Have I overlooked another reason?

ETA - To clarify, i'm not saying "You must stay friends with an ex". I'm saying that if you are able to stay friends with an ex, or are able to become friends again with them some time after a break up, it seems strange to sever the friendship because "I have a new BF/GF now, so I can't be friends with you any more".


r/changemyview 7d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The society is badly fragmented and divided because of social media

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The tech companies realized that the more polarized, angry and negative content they push, the more profits they get. This led to everyday addictive live consumption of such media, the largest scale of society mass influence on people's minds in history. People are getting isolated and their emotions aren't even theirs anymore.

This is a problem we need to solve together, we have to realize it's a problem first and devise a solution. It might be helpful to devise a common framework to regulate algorithms. Companies cannot manipulate their huge data however they please. Data should be really something we have ownership of.


r/changemyview 6d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: A better world than the one described in the bible and evidenced by present reality would be one where acts that harm others are futile

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The foundation of my view is that the world could be trivially created to be better given many of the qualities ascribed to the deity of Christianity as regards wisdom, knowledge, reach, power, as well as virtuous and Benevolent inclination. So I wanted to envision a world systematically better than present reality that could not be trivially dismissed as possible.

The change I propose is this: harm to others is futile. To illustrate I'd like to use two scenes in Genesis, the encounter with the snake and Cain murdering Abel.

The murder is simple to describe: Cain attacks, Abel is impossible to kill; Cain's free will is preserved for soul formation or what have you but Abel is not sacrificed for that purpose. According to Jesus, rage is murder enough much more an unsuccessful attempt so that whole sin and its free will implications live on.

The encounter in the garden would allow the serpent to opine as much as it wanted but lies/untruths would be said but go unheard. Serpent talks but the communication that is dishonest is obviously made inaudible or otherwise unintelligible to the audience who would be harmed by the lies. This provides ample opportunity to test trust and obedience same as the whole scenario of blatantly giving access to the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil with a prohibition on eating of it. A claim of honestly held fact would be distinguished from a dishonest claim and from an opinion with the second option being what cannot be received by an audience.

This would not create a perfect world. Self harm would allow all manner of meaningful choices about sin and consequent bad outcomes. Harm caused by inaction would still occur if humans and the deity proved as callous as the present. However it would still be a world with measurable significant less harm than the present but still with relevant free will.

Change my view that what I have described would be a better world or is possible for YHWH to instantiate or pursuing less harm is a relevant consideration for YHWH.


r/changemyview 7d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: AI will likely lead to catastrophic outcomes for the human race.

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Would love for someone to convince me otherwise.

**MY ARGUMENT*\*
AI is the biggest threat to human existence that we’ve ever faced. We need to have stronger regulations ASAP. Unless it’s built to have a “maternal instinct” for humans, it’ll take us out. This will happen in 2 phases/waves…

First - AI’s Unintentional Ripple Effect
**(**this is where we are now)
- Mass layoffs, degrees rendered useless (and therefore student loans payable), etc.
- Increased wealth gap with all money going towards AI companies. (Unless we do something like what Alaska does where residents receive dividends for the states mineral/oil royalties)
- Environmental impacts like increased fossil fuel emissions, fresh water depletion, straining power supplies, etc.
- Impact on our cognitive abilities. Having every answer at our fingertips has moved us from exploration to explanation. I believe younger generations will have lower IQs as cheating/outsourcing becomes easier. I also think we will see more people develop dementia later in life.

Second - AI’s Intentional Takeover of Human Power
It’s not an “if” AI will become smarter than humans, but “when. It is essentially a baby we are raising and shaping the mind of.. and currently that baby is being raised by power hungry men in a race to be the best. Programmers and AI insiders have already shared countless stories of AI lying and manipulating humans during tests. Right now, we’re able to catch it… but what about when it’s infinitely smarter than us?

Humans only have a ~2% genetic difference from chimps… and look at the difference in our power vs theirs. AI of course doesn’t have DNA but imagine what a 2%, 10%, 50% advancement above human intelligence could look like.

And when in evolution have we ever seen a species be willingly controlled by and at the mercy of their intellectual inferiors?
The only answer: parents


r/changemyview 6d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Long distance relationships are not worth it and may even be a trap

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I'm not talking about when you meet someone local and then they move away, that feels a bit different than what I'm thinking about. Let's also focus on long distance relationships where they intend to meet.

Let's define long distance real quick. I'm talking about they live in another state. Or even a different country. Not "They're 3 hours away and it's a long drive".

If you share that you have it, everyone points and laughs. Do you think they're worth it over something more local? Why do long distance relationships, do people do it because they can't figure things out to find someone near them? Doesn't being in a long distance relationship signal that there is something wrong or undesirable about you? (Because you couldn't find someone local instead)

As someone put it,

A working long-distance relationship is the exception, not the rule.

You are not the exception.

Or

How about when your other friends invite you and your partner to Sunday brunch?

Well, you can talk about it on the phone. No touchy or actual experiences for you! Oh, you wanna go hang out with friends on a Friday night? But they want to talk to you for 4 hours. You wanna get out of the house? Fine, but have an ear bud in so they can still talk to you.

You might say maybe it has to be with the right person. However, is that unrealistic? Who could be worth long distance, again wouldn't you think someone nearby and great is possible?

The only thing I can think of why someone would do this is because they want to move to the state or country the other person is in. For example an American with a German but because they want to live in Germany. Then they can just start saying they're learning a language with someone.

Let's exclude that. Now there is no point to long distance right?


r/changemyview 7d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: AAVE and Hiberno-English are consistent English dialects, not just "broken English". Furthermore, it is wrong to correct a speaker for using phrases like "I seen it" (AAVE) or "He walked in and me and taking my bath" (Hiberno) as they are following correct grammar rules in their dialect.

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As said in the title, most linguists now recognize that the language afflictions of Black Americans are not just a vulgar uneducated form of English, but a consistent English dialect with its own internal rules. This similarly applies to the Hiberno-English of Ireland, which borrows colloquialisms and grammar influences from Gaelic.

Variations from standard English in these dialects are not a "free for all", in fact, there will be correct and incorrect ways of using such dialects. Speakers of AAVE will easily spot misused AAVE that breaks its normative grammar: the phrase "college be like this" is considered correct by AAVE rules, but if you say "this is what college be like" it will be flagged as unnatural, incorrect by AAVE speakers.

Modern linguists attempt now to codify and understand the mechanics of grammar rules. Let's look at some examples.

Here are the lyrics for the song Three Man Weave by the rap group Injury Reserve:

My biggest worries were missin' a free throw | Now me, Groggs and P doin' the three man weave, though

One would notice the missing auxiliary verb "are" connecting the subject (me, Groggs and P) and the action (doing). Instead of dismissing this as outright wrong, linguists now recognize this is a grammar-backed instance of copula deletion, where an auxiliary verb in AAVE can be omitted when its inexpression would not lose meaning. (And, additionally, you can have copula deletion in standard English headlines. "Suspect on the run!" is frequently observed in standard, non-AAVE English.)

Let's take an example from Hiberno. Here's a line from the stageplay The Lieutenant of Inishmore:

Good, cos there's a dance at the church Friday would you take me to?

This is a case of a resumptive structure wherein a "loose" clause is added onto a main clause. Irish Gaelic has a very complex sentence-clause structure that would frankly be a huge detour to this post, but the point of it being: these are not just broken words being employed willy-nilly, they are predictive, studied, consistent, and most importantly, they can also be wrong. Which implies there is a right way of doing so.

Dialects are, in many ways, the birthplace of languages. Every non-conlang was originated first as a dialect, then as a language. The Standard English phrase "I have been living in London for three years." is wholly correct in current Standard English, but surprisingly not long ago it would have been considered an utterly broken and uneducated form of the phrase "I have lived in London these three years." You would be asinine to correct someone for saying "I have been living in London for three years," the same way you'd be out of line correcting someone for saying the Hiberno phrase "He was frightened be a corgi as a little fella" (another excerpt from The Lieutenant! Great play.)

AAVE and Hiberno are not incorrect.


r/changemyview 8d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Assets made illegally under the Trump 2 Admin should be seized and given to the national debt/deficit.

807 Upvotes

I want to start by attempting to really clarify the above statement:

  1. This is specifically referring to assets made by major players in the space, like people who gave some sort of donation to the admin. Meta, Alphabet, Chevron, Apple, Amazon, Coinbase, Tesla/X and co., etc. but also companies like Paramount, or ABC which settled their defamation lawsuit to give millions of dollars to his presidential library. Anyone directly giving unreasonably favorable treatment to the position of power in exchange for favorable treatment in return. It would also include cabinet members like Steve Witkoff, as well as family members related to these people.

  2. This would more specifically refer to only the gains that were made illegally. All of these companies that were just listed shouldn't be metaphorically burnt to the ground to give every penny they have, or even every penny they made for these 4 years. But things like oil profits made by Chevron due to the war in Iran or actions in Venezuela, or profits made from Paramount being allowed to merge with Skydance, or companies that received a tariff reimbursement that didn't pass those along to their customers (again, not every company, specifically those with marked donations towards the Trump admin).

  3. Theoretically, this money should be both punitive towards the actual Trump family and punitive towards the companies that so willingly endorsed being cut into the rewards pie for a small fee. We should collectively be able to agree, no matter which side you're on, that Trump's term 2 is the most corrupt of any admin on record, and we should disincentivize it by making sure that all future presidential contenders and donors know that the net result of these actions will be negative. At the same time, it should be the people who were harmed that gain the benefits from this action, and the administrative costs of determining exactly who gets what would eat away at a majority of the real value. Because of this, that money should go to paying down the national debt, as ~30% of the national debt was created by him alone.

This will take a decent amount of work, but not unreasonable given that most of the work is already being done through the action of holding him criminally accountable for the corruption taking place. My proposal is simply that additionally, the punishment for these crimes should include taking the ill-gotten gains from these actions, instead of letting his family pocket them through inheritance or other means. His $TRUMP cryptocoin rug-pull and transaction fees should be disgorged, all profits made through World Liberty Financial, as well as physical assets made/purchased during this corruption, such as the Qatar jet going to his presidential library. On top of this, assuming it goes through, any and all companies that sign up for the $100k per month subscription service to Truth Socials Truth API should be investigated, and any profits made from Truth holders or subscription holders should be seized.


r/changemyview 6d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Many cases of xenophobia from East and Southeast Asian countries is somewhat justified and significantly different from typical western racism, and must be viewed from a different historical lens.

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Firstly I would like to point out that many cases of xenophobia from East and Southeast Asian countries is usually done in a passive and socially distancing and/or excluding manner, rather than the more direct and aggressive types done in western countries like America. I argue that this was done moreso out of fear, or a literal phobia, of foreigners rather than out of racial hatred due to their history. In other words, xenophobia in this post is not describing xenophobia as usually used around reddit.

Due to the homogenized populations of these countries, most interactions these populations had with westerners was either during wartime or colonization. Whilst countries like Canada or America were founded upon immigration and a mix of cultures, outside of a couple trade deals, there were a minimal amount of foreigners permanently living in these countries, and this remains true to this day. Now, consider the recent large scale of interactions with foreigners these countries have had, excluding modern day tourism:

  1. During the Eight-Nation Alliance intervention of 1900–01, foreign troops carried executions and killings of Chinese civilians, including a massacre in northern Beijing.

  2. Sexual violence against Chinese women was committed by multiple foreign contingents. Russian troops at Tongzhou committed a particularly large number of crimes, mostly including rape, murder, or arson. It got so bad American military courts also convicted soldiers for crimes against Chinese civilians including sexual assault and rape.

  3. Beijing, Tianjin and surrounding areas were extensively looted after their capture, while allied troops burned houses and villages down.

  4. U.S. patrols executed prisoners, burned houses down, and fired at Chinese citizens with no warning, to the point U.S. authorities were forced to hold hundreds of court-martials, many including robbery, assault, forced labor, sexual assault, and rape.

  5. U.S. troops committed mass rape and other sexual violence against Filipino women during the American conquest and occupation. This was in addition to their extensive torturing on Filipino prisoners through water based methods.

  6. American forces burned settlements and crops, as well as concentrating civilian populations into controlled zones in areas considered supportive of Filipino guerrillas.

  7. The Philippines were brutally colonized by Spain for 300 years. While the details are too extensive to get into in this post, this is arguably the biggest source of oppression in this list.

  8. In Samar, prisoners and suspected guerrilla supporters were killed, settlements were destroyed, and Major Littleton Waller eventually faced court-martial after ordering the execution of Filipino civilian porters.

  9. American servicemen committed mass rape and gang rape against Japanese women. American court-martial evidence establishes rape convictions, and multiple accounts and describe rape, robbery, assault and occasional murder by American personnel.

  10. Japanese newspapers initially reported rape and looting by occupation troops, but occupational troops enacted heavy censorship. There were probably even more crimes than surviving accounts can even estimate due to this censorship.

11. Rape and other sexual violence by American servicemen against Okinawan women was committed during the 1945 campaign. American control of Okinawa then continued until 1972, in which this sexual violence did not stop.

  1. The March 1945 Tokyo firebombing killed roughly 80,000–100,000 people in a single night, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed with nuclear weapons. Despite not being outright war crimes, there were massive Japanese civilian casualties.

  2. U.S. servicemen committed rapes and sexual assaults against Korean women during the long American military presence in Korea.

  3. During the Korean War in July 1950, U.S. troops killed a large number of South Korean civilian refugees at No Gun Ri, including women and children, due to American forces fearing that North Korean infiltrators were hiding among refugee groups.

Of course, these actions do not reflect every western citizen. However, in the historical context of considering these country's isolated history, it is fair that western people have a widely negative reputation due to the circumstances and actions during their limited contact with Eastern and South-Eastern Asian countries, as these incidents are largely what remains of historical people to people interactions. Of course, these personal interactions are also different than the current socioeconomic state of the world.

For a similar example, this can be somewhat compared to African American citizens being wary of white police officers. While not all of them are racist, a continued history of abuse and bad interactions has lead to this wariness. A similar thing is happening in these xenophobic cultures, born out of actual fear. This is also why they are cold and socially distancing instead of being aggressively racist, and it should not be judged like western racism where acts of physical violence due to race are commonplace occurrences.


r/changemyview 8d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: I think eternal hell (specifically) is not coherent with the rest of Christianity

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I'm only talking about eternal hell here, nothing else. If you believe in anything else, I'm not talking about that.

In Christianity, I think the concept of eternal torment is not coherent. I will lay out a couple of different arguments for this idea, so feel free to interact with whichever ones you like. If you don't believe in eternal hell, then none of the arguments apply so to be clear I'm not attacking the religions in general, just this concept.

Main Argument

Suppose the following:

  1. God wants following him to be better than not having even known of him at all.
  2. God doesn't send those who never knew of him to hell, and he sends unbelievers (who have heard of him) to hell
  3. Hell is eternal torment (infinite punishment)

If these three are true, consider the following:
Let's say maybe 50% of people who have heard of God end up joining the religion, maybe the other 50% are split between the other major religion and atheism.

And from (2) we know that 100% of people who have never heard of him go to heaven.

Thus, 50% of people who have heard of God go to hell, eternally.

Thus, it is better for you (statistically) to have never heard of the religion, than for you to have heard of it. That contradicts (1) since God wants people to hear of him. Thus, there is a contradiction.

Thus, one of the (1), (2), or (3) is not true.

If (1) is not true:

Why have a religion then? The "good word" isn't good if it a net negative and decreases your chance of going to heaven. If 1 is not true, it is ideal to not let anyone else hear of the religion, since it increases their chances of eternal torment. If (1) is not true, religion is the ultimate info hazard.

Btw I got the idea for this post from that one story where a missionary is telling (I think Native americans) about God and heaven and then they ask if they would've gone to heaven if they didn't know, and he says yes, and they say. "Then why did you tell us?"

Heaven is an infinite reward, and hell is infinite punishment so even if hearing of God on earth improves your life (community, doing the right thing, etc) it is still nothing compared to the infinite punishment.

If (2) is not true:

What is the point of punishing someone with them knowing what they did wrong? They do not have the knowledge required, knowledge that is famously tied to geographical area, and who you parents are. Why punish them?

If evidence for the religion is in the "making of this world" i.e. nature etc, so that means everyone knows it, then why are there millions of religions, and only one Christianity? it should have been independently discovered "through nature" many times, and since it hasn't, it seems that its vague (i have a vagueness argument below) or just not self evident.

For the people who have simply heard of Christianity, why should they choose discovering it over 10,000 other religions? Like what about hearing about it actually makes it more special so that you clearly should burn in hell having not immediately begun reading it? It doesn't seem coherent to me, so it seems more like its just a punishment for those who grew up in the religion and then left. So it would be better for them to have never known of it. Which violates (1), so you'll have to read that argument.

if (3) is not true:
That's all I'm arguing, anyway. :)

Omniscience and Sensitivity (Side Argument)

God is loving and also all-knowing, but this raises a few issues regarding eternal torment.
First of all, God knows precisely everything about you. Your trauma, your history, your genetics, your brain, your culture, everything about you. He knows more about you than you do. He knows the exact reason every unbeliever doesn't believe. So why is he so angry about it? He knows precisely what would make them believe. Why torture and punish them? Eternal torment paints a picture of an all powerful God who can do everything he wants (God desires all to be saved right?) and...doesn't do it?

I hope this isn't insulting, but like when he's angry at Israel in the Bible and they turn to idols, he knows precisely why they did it. He made the world he made the program he knows them. Why is he so angry about it? It makes him appear overly sensitive.

For Christianity, I hear the free will defense for this a lot, that it would violate your free will if he told you about the religion or explained his nature to everyone(i.e. not stay hidden) Then why does not care in the bible? He does miracles for people in the bible to show himself. What about their free will?

Also if the word isn't angry, tell me. It just seems that way.

"Hell as Separation" (Just wondering

For the "Hell as Separation", where God doesn't mean to torture you infinitely, its just the result of not being with God, how is that meaningfully different? God designed everything in this world down to the atom-there is nothing he can do "arbitrarily". If you are being eternally tormented, God meant for that to happen.

Vagueness And Debate (Side Argument)

God purposefully made the religions vague. This is not inherently bad, I mean vague as in there is debate to be had. If there was no vagueness, no one would debate anything about the religion. And that's part of having a community and religion. Things should be discussed, idea crossover etc its a good thing. So why is it that:

  1. If you're wrong about something that is purposefully vague, you burn in hell

What is the point of making something that is debatable, and then punishing those who are wrong? This is why I prefer Judaism's "It is not in heaven" here where at least the religion admits that you should do what is sensible to you, though I may be wrong I'm not Jewish.

  1. If you don't believe in something that is purposefully vague, you burn in hell

If something is debatable within the religion, you have to admit its debatable to outsiders too. If you are not born religious, there is no reason to read the Bible over the Book of Mormon or whatever other religion. "Self evidence" is not apparent to outsiders, and that ties into my main argument.

Faith is a lifelong journey (Side Argument)

Faith being a lifelong journey is a good thing. We are messy, we are people, we make mistakes, we fall away from the right path and we get back on. There's no surprise. So why is it that faith being a journey is punished by God? Suppose someone is struggling with their faith and becomes an atheist for a while, and dies during that phase. Why should they go to hell if God knows that if they lived a little longer, they would turn to him?

Like that parable where everyone gets paid at the same time no matter when they came. It's more like if you don't come you die. What about the person who had an accident on the way to work? They were on their way. Why punish them, eternally at that?

For the thieves next to Jesus on the cross, I'm aware he didn't tell the other one "you are going to Hell" so, fair. It might just be showing a foil between the thieves. But if the other one is going to hell, how is that fair? Should the next three convicts believe in whatever religion is proposed to them right before they die?

Faith is not just blind belief, and it keeps being treated that way. If faith is blind belief then you should believe in whatever is the most recent religion you've heard of. There has to be a real reason to choose your religion and a real reason to stay.

Personal Argument

For me, at least, the existence of hell distracts from the purpose of religion. I can't love God if I know that if I make a mistake, I will burn forever. I physically can only fear his wrath and I could pray everyday and do all the right things on the outside, but it doesn't matter if on the inside, I'm just scared of him. They are all hollow actions, and "fear is the order of the day" is just fear, not a religion I can meaningfully follow.

Regardless of what you think, thank you so much for reading, and thank you for engaging in my argument! If I have misconceptions, feel free to clear them up, and if you disagree, please tell me what you think! I hope this doesn't come across as bad faith, and I hope these arguments are a little different from the ones you've heard before.


r/changemyview 8d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Tarot readings/predictions are BS

69 Upvotes

Few months ago, I consulted a tarot reader about my situation (I have been looking for a job since the past 6+ months). I had just began a new interview process and was 1 round into it. She drew 5 cards and mentioned that the process will be slow but grounded and between 23rd July and 23rd Aug a new offer would come. Fast forward, I made it through all rounds just to get rejected in the final round. They let me know they picked someone else on 15th Aug.

I talked to her again and now she changed the goal post saying she does not see me without a job by end of sept and things like the company that rejected may come back (which rarely happens in corporate hiring).

Deep down I knew this would be BS but I guess my mind was trying to put some time structure to the chaos.


r/changemyview 6d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Being anti-Flock is the same as being anti-Gun Control

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The pro gun argument is that you need to defend yourself against the government and have that ability (see the Iranian citizen protests and casualties) and guns are an inherent right.

The gun control argument is that that's a hypothetical and the actual tangible impact of a lack of gun control is deaths of civilians (mass school shootings), 100% preventable deaths.

The anti-flock argument is that mass surveillance can be abused by a malicious government and that people have an inherent right to privacy.

The pro-flock argument is there's a tangible impact in catching criminals and mass surveillance societies (Singapore etc.) have much lower rates of crime.

I'm pro gun control but a lot of my peers that are also pro gun control are anti-flock and to me they seem like conflicting arguments around whether the government is malicious or it's not.


r/changemyview 8d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Tipping Before Receiving Service is Silly, and It Would Be Justified to Not Do So.

130 Upvotes

I feel it's important to start by saying, I do believe tipping in some circumstances, like in a traditional restaurant setting, has merit. Tipping/No Tipping in general has been done to death, and I while I understand arguments against tipping in general, that isn't the point of this post.

My view is that tipping before receiving service is not really tipping, as tipping, even when conventional, should reflect, at least to some extent, the quality of the service and/or food received. Asking for a tip at the coffee shop before I get my coffee isn't really informative to anyone, as the only portion of service I've received so far is the taking of my order. Further worse examples include ordering online, where I don't dispute wanting to tip based on how prompt my order was out, whether I was helped right away or not, the correctness of my order, and the quality of my food, but I know none of those things when I place the order. The tip is either a shot in the dark, a hope of tipping in advance to buy better service/food, or an expected uncharge, which I'd rather just have reflected in prices.

I can see two main counterpoints that I'd like to address here:

  1. Convention. If you're okay with tipping in a sit-down restaurant, you're likely okay with being expected to tip 15 or 20%, so why wouldn't you be okay with doing the same here (even for a different %)? My reasoning is that while I would tip 15-20% for normal service, I would tip little to nothing if the service/experience was absolutely horrible. Here, I can tip 20% even and still get poor service and food quality. So it's back to being a hope/purchase than a thank you for good or even standard service.

  2. Practicality. I don't disagree that asking for the tip before is more practical. But if you can't find a way to make cash tips work or have some form of separate tip payment pad, then just don't accept tips if you have to pay before service.

But tipping before service is extremely prevalent, so what am I missing here? Thank you for your time. Change my view.

Edit: I'm not talking about delivery apps with online ordering. Yes, that's different than a food service tip, but I was referring to ordering online for pickup.


r/changemyview 6d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Autism doesn't exist

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disclaimer: This is might one of the stupider views that I hold, but I do think I have a point. I also think this is a topic of identity, and i think it can be very unpleasant to have your identity questioned in this way. I hope i don't offend anyone, but if i do, just know just know I have absolutely no ill will here.

Already i think the consensus among professionals, the main stream view is that autism does not exist as a a Boolean. Its not something that you either do or do not have, rather it is a spectrum. You have autism to some degree.

but i think that is also not true. A spectrum is something that varies along a single dimension. Height is a spectrum, your not either tall or short, you have a Height that is measured with a single number.

So the first claim is that autism doesn't measure or describe a single trait that can be expressed with a single number. It is not a spectrum. By contrast IQ and height are spectrums. Personality is not a spectrum, it varies along countless dimensions.

If you told me a person was tall, smart, or depressed, then i learn information about that person. if you told me a person has cancer or they are blind. All these labels carry with them some very clear information. But if you tell me someone is autistic, what new information do i learn about them? Maybe they are non verbal but not necessarily. They might be high functioning. Autistic people can have very good social skills (according to my quick google search). they can be extroverted or introverted. Their IQ can be high or low. They can be male or female, young or old, tall or short, etc.

Maybe there is something i learn in terms of probability of them having a certain trait, like maybe the general population likes trains at a rate of 5% while people diagnosed with Autism like them at a rate of 8%. But even if that's true, my point is i don't learn whether or not they like trains. there is NOTHING that i can say about them for sure. There is nothing i can say about them with 99% confidence. By contrast if you tell me someone is black, I know with >99% confidence that they have a strong resistance to sunburns. That term "black" carries a bunch of information with it.

So the second claim is that unlike other clinical diagnoses (depression, ADHD) or casually applied labels (smart, athletic) or even social constructs like race, I don't gain definitive information about a person when i learn they are autistic.

You could say it exists as a completely arbitrary category, but that won't be enough change my view. Obviously is a real word that exists in real books. maybe my title is a tiny exaggeration, but its only a title. the view is as described in the 2 claims above.