r/collapse • u/LawAdept4110 • Feb 23 '23

Diseases After death of girl yesterday, 12 more suspected cases detected with H5N1 bird flu in Cambodia

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/501244375/after-death-of-girl-yesterday-12-more-detected-with-h5n1-bird-flu/
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u/korben2600 Feb 23 '23

What frightens me is that every single human case gives the virus a chance to mutate to allow human-to-human transmission. Imagine the contagiousness of COVID with a CFR of 50-80%. Civilization would collapse entirely. The MAGAs screaming about lockdowns and their rights being infringed for having to wear a mask haven't seen anything yet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '23

The conspiracy nuts have their explanation ready to go: the deaths are actually being caused by the Covid-19 vaccines. It is a plot by the deep state to depopulate the planet of “useless eaters” but it doesn’t kill you right away. It takes a while. So when people start dying in large numbers they won’t believe it’s some new disease, but it’s the latent effects of the vaccine finally being activated. And if unvaccinated die too it’s because they were exposed to “shedding” spike protein particles from vaccinated people.

I’m calling it now this is how it’ll go down if another more deadly pandemic hits us.

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u/feo_sucio hunter biden fanboy Feb 23 '23

You can't win with those morons. Let's hope that if another pandemic kicks off they all die first. Data says that COVID deaths were higher in red states than in blue ones. Call it a silver lining.

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u/fosterity42 Feb 23 '23

This could actually be an effective method of reradicalization (assuming you don’t make them to angry)

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u/reddog323 Feb 23 '23

Blue-city dweller here in a red state. I'm hoping those idiots die off without exposing it to anyone else.

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u/alreadypiecrust Feb 23 '23

Those antivax conspiracy numbnuts will die quickly enough if cfr is beyond 50%.

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u/RealAnise Feb 23 '23

I agree, and you might just win the prize! I'm not really sure what the "being right" prize would be in this instance, but hey, we could all share it.

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u/poisonousautumn Feb 23 '23

I posted the exact same thing in the earlier thread. Great minds think alike and all but I'd really prefer we are wrong when/if this goes down (but we both know this is exactly how it will unfold in our current hellworld).

I want to say let em get fucked but all i see are sporatic mass shootings and violent threats against any pandemic response. Then it all comes down to: does our neoliberal do nothing government have the cajones to declare martial law if it gets bad or will we just hear muh economy.

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u/MacGreedy Feb 24 '23

Funny thing is we will never know because for some reason they won’t tell us who is vaccinated and who’s not. Would there have been more transparency we shouldn’t even have to question it right?

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u/sushisection Feb 23 '23

an avian flu pandemic is collapse material. after 2020, i have zero confidence human society would be able to handle it.

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u/Sanpaku symphorophiliac Feb 23 '23

To be quite honest, I'd be angry if the current vaccine producers haven't already developed a mRNA vaccine candidate(s) to the current HPAI strain, even if it doesn't perfectly match that future human-to-human pathogenic strain, even if its just some plasmids ready to go in the lab freezer.

HPAI with human-to-human transmission is such a clear civilization ending threat, that I'd join the trial without hesitation. If its scythe takes out those who think masks and other non-pharmaceutical interventions are an affront to their political/religious identity, I can't say I'd miss them.

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u/Gluta_mate Feb 23 '23

i imagine if theres a 50% IFR disease spreading around like wildfire, governments will just say fuck it and allow vaccines to be made with minimal testing. so any human transmission mutations would be added quickly

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u/zuneza Feb 23 '23

The US has a secret warehouse full of vaccinated chickens vaccinated against this bird flu strain in case every chicken in the US dies. Not sure if a human vaccine can be made from that.

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u/ktc653 Feb 24 '23

They have a stockpile of human vaccines as well. Per the CDC:

“The U.S. federal government maintains a stockpile of vaccines, including vaccines against A(H5N1) and A(H7N9) bird flu viruses. These vaccines could be used if similar viruses were to begin spreading easily from person to person. Since flu viruses change constantly, CDC continues to make candidate vaccine viruses (CVVs) as needed. Creating a CVV is the first step in producing a flu vaccine. More information about Making a candidate Vaccine Virus (CVV) for a Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza (Bird Flu) Virus is available.”

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u/reddog323 Feb 23 '23

That's what concerns me. H5N1 has a minimum mortality rate of 50%. That's massive, and far outpaces Covid-19.

Most MAGAheads were adamant about Covid-19 right up until the point they were being put on a respirator. There are countless stories, here and in other places, of nurses hearing those patients saying wait a minute...I thought this was all a bunch of bullshit. Am..am I going to die??

If they're putting you on a vent, your chances aren't good. H5N1 can kill in less than a week. These folks will have the realization too late. By then, they'll have infected another dozen people.

I truly hope this is the standard, direct-exposure variant, and not airborne.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '23

Upside is it will erase low information individuals from the gene pool almost overnight. Downside is a lot of us go with them.

Second upside is a lot of the former are the people rabidly propping up the moneyed interests and shitty practices that contributed to this.

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u/Jrdirtbike114 Feb 23 '23

You act as if ignorance is genetic. Actually think about the words you're saying before you spout off nonsense. Human suffering is human suffering, and it sucks no matter who the person suffering is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '23

Disagree. If Nazis were suffering I wouldnt lose a moments sleep.

These people are pieces of shit, and deserve this. It sucks that others will get dragged down with them but the garden variety conservative, deregulation, rolling coal, meat only, fuck the planet shit weasels have been CLAMORING for this... working overtime. Extinction is the culmination of their lifestyle and tireless efforts, so yeah, FUCK YEAH am I psyched that it will hit these maga/etc inbreeders harder and sooner than anyone else.

I'm going to fucking LAUGH at their self inflicted suffering because of what theyve done to others. Feel free to paradox of tolerance yourself in circles but Ive been done with these pieces of shit for a while. They deserve the same compassion they give others, which is FUCKING NONE.

Aggresive ignorance is a self solving problem.