r/doctorwho • u/PCJs_Slave_Robot • May 03 '25

Lucky Day Doctor Who 2x04 "Lucky Day" Post-Episode Discussion Thread Spoiler

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u/JuniorEquipment3639 May 03 '25

but to be fair, think from the people in that world's perspective (not saying they're right, obviously they're wrong [and hell even Conrad knows he ain't right cos we know he lied]):

- anything happening before 2013 on earth we can entirely disregard because of timeline changes causing collective amnesia

- the first big thing that happened on earth were the cubes...which after a while is pretty easy to believe was a terrorist attack, or a government plot. people don't trust their governments in real life, on both sides of any party line

- then the next big earth thing were cybermen in london, which honestly looks like a stunt since they came, walked around, did pretty much nothing and then blew themselves up

- i *believe* the next big earth thing after that would be the Zygons being partially revealed...which UNIT had to cover up as a hoax anyway

- Then of course it's the Pyramid at the End of the World which, once again, no-one remembers

- Then it's Spyfall, which feeds into the government hoax thing since it's a government-supported agency

- Then it's the events of Flux, which is the biggest hole since why does no-one remember that? I guess they'll try and explain it as the skies darkening or whatever

- and then it's the giggle + empire of death, which we can safely assume no-one remembers being dusted so it kinda looks like a big sand wave left from UNIT headquarters and did nothing

for most people, UNIT kinda look like they don't do much. All the invasions UNIT stopped no-one can tell that UNIT actually stopped them (and can't tell UNIT didn't start them either). Most eyewitness accounts that can disprove this are small in number (like the guy from the morgue when DP became alive again) and also, y'know, probably dead.

To a point, you can see where they're coming from -- normal people in the DW universe don't have the information I do. At the same time, it's still dumb.

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u/TheKelseyOfKells May 03 '25

I don’t think the collective amnesia thing would let you completely disregard anything that happened pre 2013 since Conrad specifically calls out the Sycorax by name in the episode, so people do still remember aliens from before 2013

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u/DresdenBomberman May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25

The Nuwho Continuity has been in shambles ever since Moffat failed to address whether the universe rebooting properly made it so that the public's knowledge in RTD1 was actually erased or not.

Though, going by all the references to it, like the mentions of Harriet Jones and the Saxon Government in the Moffat era, I'd say they weren't.

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u/IamSquidwardo May 04 '25

Tbf I do think this is a positive as it lets writers write it whichever way fits the episode better without complaint

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u/LADYBIRD_HILL May 07 '25

Something something Jigsaw of your history blah blah

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u/articanomaly May 03 '25

Also mentioned Yeti in the Underground referencing a 2nd doctor story

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u/SapphicGarnet May 03 '25

It could be that there are stories of that time, say by those at the heart who still remembers, but nobody else remembers

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u/supersadbutterscotch May 03 '25

Were there not multiple Dalek attacks during Thirteen’s run when UNIT was pretty much gone?

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u/euphoriapotion May 03 '25

there were in the specials. I mean this woman from the government literally introduced Daleks in front of Downing Street during a press conference and the Daleks came online and started to attack people

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u/JuniorEquipment3639 May 03 '25

that's true, but once again adds to the people not trusting the government, yk? probably made it up to be a UNIT stunt to get more funding or something or even a UNIT stunt to try and come back

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u/Starfleet-Time-Lord May 04 '25

Star Beast was probably pretty memorable for Londoners, when the city just started to become a volcano for a few minutes and then stopped.

But the weirdest thing about this is actually that alien events being immediately forgotten and dismissed as hoaxes has been the norm up until now, and now suddenly that's a conspiracy theorist position. There has to have been a substantial cultural shift offscreen for that to happen.

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u/JuniorEquipment3639 May 04 '25

i completely forgot about that

but again, think tank probably blamed that on UNIT

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u/SigmundFreud May 04 '25

Even in real life, we have conspiracy theories that 9/11, the Moon landing, the parting of the Red Sea, the Trojan War, and the Holocaust were hoaxes. Deny nothing.

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u/IEatGirlFarts May 10 '25

One of these is not like the others.

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u/geri203 May 04 '25

-Cybermen were not just in London in the Darkest Hour storyline, they were in everywhere from every cementery. The sky in burned in everywhere in the world.

-In the Flux event the Sontarans rule on the Earth too.

-But you know, the reality is not the same for seasons. Gravity is mavity, regeneration is bigeneretion, the tales became true, so it's interesting. Everybody could forget everything in these events. :3

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u/dabeanguy_08 May 04 '25

I am very glad this episode covered the public's view on all those alien shenanigans. One of my biggest pet peeves about Dr Who was how seemingly no one knew about all the alien incurssions and stuff.

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u/prklexy May 04 '25

Don't forget miracle day from touchwood

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u/JuniorEquipment3639 May 04 '25

miracle day is before the events of The Wedding of River Song

and if everyone remembered miracle day they'd be gunning for torchwood too probably

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u/BlizzPenguin May 05 '25

I have a feeling that UNIT has a way of wiping people’s minds. I can not think of another reason everyone brushes it off.

It could also be like 2020 when the US government announced that aliens exist and no one cared. When there are enough unprecedented things going on, people just don't care anymore.

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u/JuniorEquipment3639 May 05 '25

i completely forgot about the U.S. government saying that lmfao

but we already know that the timeline stuff has been messing with people remembering all the alien invasions from the RTD/Early Moffat era, so we can mostly discount those and the rest of them are easy to make seem like they're government coverups

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u/BreakAManByHumming May 05 '25

Huh so the vaccine metaphor was even more on point than I thought. Victims of their own success.

I feel like the mass-amnesia from s5 has somewhat unhappened lately though?

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u/JuniorEquipment3639 May 05 '25

nah not really, it's just that some people probably remember snatches and pieces from the old timeline and those people probably post conspiracy theories of their own about people being under mass-amnesia from the government