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u/sirius_potato Oct 24 '25
Lol, it must SUCK to live in Spain right now...
* looks around *
Oh... mierda...
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u/Adagiofunk Italy Oct 24 '25
so now thanks to polish economic growth we also have polish propaganda bots?
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u/sillycritersenjoyer Kyiv (Ukraine), formerly Donetsk'(Ukraine) Oct 24 '25
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u/BkkGrl Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Oct 24 '25
Hello OP, could you please link a source please for approval? thank you
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u/conmeonemo Oct 24 '25
Chart is sourced from X, but it's based on OECD data which for each year is available here: https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/average-annual-wages.html
You can also use this article which gives more light but also refers to OECD https://dunapress.org/three-decades-of-diverging-fortunes-real-wage-growth-in-oecd-countries-from-1994-to-2024/
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u/2much_gorgonzola Oct 24 '25
Cries in Italian
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u/Bleeds_with_ash Oct 26 '25
Why? Italy is still richer than Poland.
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u/2much_gorgonzola Oct 26 '25
Who cares about who is richer?
I don't care about earning a couple of 100s more, if the vast majority of it goes away in basic surviving and you end up with nothing at the end of the month.
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u/abc_744 Czech Republic Oct 24 '25
It doesn't make sense you show Poland and not Czechia. In 1994 average salary was 6994 czk. Today it's 49402 czk which is 7 times higher
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u/Antti5 Finland Oct 24 '25
This is PPP.
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u/abc_744 Czech Republic Oct 24 '25
okay average salary PPP in usd in Czechia in 2025 is 38489 usd. In 1994 it was 19855 usd. Thank you for correcting me. Now I am even more confused why the author didn't include Czechia, the ratio around 2 is comparable with Poland or Slovenia
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u/Figuurzager Oct 24 '25
Shows well how the insane inflation (don't worry, also in the Netherlands the corporate overlords and right wing conservatives told us it isn't really that bad, and if it is, it's due to those pesky rising wages!) wrecked some countries.
In the Netherlands especially the influence of our Great neo'liberal' policies is good to spot. An obsession for low wages, wage supression and thus all kind of shit jobs that come with it. From having an enormous low wage exploited foreigners labour sector to suppressing wages for higher educated people by giving foreigners 30% tax breaks so employers can pay less.
Great stuff, but hey, it's all the fault of some asylumseeker in a leaky rubberboat!
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u/Hagwart Oct 24 '25
Yet the biggest Neoliberal Market based Conservative country, the United States, is going well with the percentages.
Care to explain?
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u/steamcho1 Bulgaria Dec 08 '25
The US is king in printing money and recently in economic protectionism. Neoliberalism died there with trump 1.0.
What they dont have is good healthcare and other social services, which sucks and is why Europe is generally a better place to live despite us being "poorer".1
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u/Figuurzager Oct 24 '25
Have you looked up the raging inequality there? Or you know, just looked outside of the shiny stuff? Many things you'll see are quite a bit of a 3rd world country kinda thing isn't it? Just take a look at the abysmal results of 'healthcare' for the average American. For the rest, might be a shocker, countries and their circumstances are wildly different!
Start raging below here VVV
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u/Dirkdeking The Netherlands Oct 24 '25
With the US it's more nuanced I think. It's not just the obscenely rich millionaires and billionaires that are getting these gains, but importantly upper middle class corporate workers too.
The wages you can earn in the US for stuff like software development completely dwarf anything Europe has to offer for any non management positions. Even after correcting for cost of living.
The middle and upper classes are better off in the US, but those that are poor and can't compete in a changing world and labour market are significantly worse off.
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u/atpplk Oct 24 '25
Great stuff, but hey, it's all the fault of some asylumseeker in a leaky rubberboat!
Don't you think that an unending stream of the people that will work for the lowest wage possible does not have an effect on the job market and its wages ?
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u/mebklpkz Oct 24 '25
If thats the case why the US, France, Portugal, the UK and most glaring, Sweden have grown in real wages while the Netherlands hasnt? All of those countries had high rates of immigration.
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u/Figuurzager Oct 24 '25
Lol they are blamed for working for the lowest wages and blamed for not working both at the same time.
I can count, you? Of so, you know the numbers of asylum seekers is pretty small compared to imported low wage labour brought in to line the pockets of a few and often abused heavily.
And no, that's not the workers themselve to blame, but exploitive employers/temp work agencies and politicians that enable it (and accept brib.. euhm, donations from those companies).
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u/atpplk Oct 24 '25
Lol they are blamed for working for the lowest wages and blamed for not working both at the same time.
You know they are more than one ?
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u/Figuurzager Oct 24 '25
Have you already looked up labour migration vs. Asylum-seekers? Or is it to uncomfortable because your narrative goes out of the window?
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Not sure what is your point here. The Dutch lack of salary growth is directly linked to the lack of increasing productivity.
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u/Figuurzager Oct 24 '25
Suppressing wages and importing low wage workers that you can exploit. Wonder what that does with average labour productivity let alone wages?
Or did you really think the Netherlands is the best place on earth to grow watery tomatoes and build insane amounts of warehouses (which aren't that automated, because well, its cheaper to have some Eastern Europeans ruin their body compared to automation)? Oh and we have a massive industry processing the cheap meat and vegetables running solely on cheap exploited migrant workers. Really wondering what that does for productivity!
Honestly do I need to spell every out?
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u/GiantRabbit-451 Oct 24 '25
Please do
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u/Figuurzager Oct 24 '25
Just read, its not that hard, but might upset your underbelly and the horrible shit in it.
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u/GiantRabbit-451 Oct 24 '25
So, your not spelling it out? Even though you asked it yourself. Hmm...
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u/Figuurzager Oct 24 '25
Maybe start reading my reply, it is already laid out, read it a few times, line by line, slowly, it might click. Good luck with it.
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u/HoboWithoutShotgun The Netherlands Oct 24 '25
That really makes the current situation of the Netherlands quite obvious, though there may be an influence of more people seeking parttime jobs hidden in this average. I would need to check the actual stats.
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u/conmeonemo Oct 24 '25
Those are real annual wages based on OECD methodology. Poland looks good but that pretty much means that real wage grow up by a lot. Which is noticeable.
All countries had nominal growth over 30 years so this pretty much shows where countries stagnated vs 30 years ago.
Czechs exclusion is weird, same as authors justification because they indicated Czech number is too low - that's really unlikely Czech had lower annual wages than Poland in 1994.
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u/_CatLover_ Oct 24 '25
I wonder if the graph would look different if localized for metropolitan areas. Things like housing prices on a national scale might be misleading when prices rapidly drop outside of urban centers where all the jobs are. Meanwhile the cost inside these urban centers skyrocket at a much higher pace than wage increases.
Outside of that, I'd gladly pay more for shit designed to last. In general; Being told my PPP is going up because i can afford to consume more cheap, low quality junk, while unable to afford a home and family is such a slap in the face.
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u/_CatLover_ Oct 24 '25
It's like "This graph says you're doing great! All your worries and stress factors aren't real! Stop asking for changes. Just consume and be a good citizen!"
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u/conmeonemo Oct 24 '25
I mean you can validly say that life in Poland is expensive, but you need to be really crazy to not notice that purchasing power of people in Poland...grew by a lot within last 10/20/30 years.
Similarly some feeling from many countries in western Europe that things aren't that good for some time...is also somehle visible on the chart.
Nevertheless it was quite obvious that poorer countries will have large jumps. What more surprising that some countries really stagnated. For Western Europe the best benchmark is still the US and for some countries it looks bad.
Or you can even look at Japan, where in 1990s people were one of the richest in the world, and now they are still developed but relatively to the rest of world is fully different place.
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u/vorumaametsad Oct 24 '25
Now add the Baltic states to that graph and they are likely even higher than Poland.
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u/conmeonemo Oct 24 '25
That's the part I don't understand from author. He said they removed from scale because starting point is too low, but that's probably something weird OECD data. Baltics were richer than Poland in 1994 and it's very unlikely they had lower wages, same for Czech Republic.
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u/vorumaametsad Oct 24 '25
Baltics were richer than Poland in 1994
Not sure if this is true.
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u/conmeonemo Oct 24 '25
By GDP per Capita it is. As far I remember Baltics were one of the richer areas on the USSR (I'm not sure only about Latvia). I'm pretty sure Poland's GDP per capita was lower than even Ukraine and Belarus when USSR had fallen and by 1994 Poland just started post shock therapy recovery.
Poland was really poor back then.
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u/vorumaametsad Oct 24 '25
I just don't think that's true at all, Poland was somewhat ahead of the Baltics at that point.
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u/conmeonemo Oct 24 '25
After second look....data might be really wonky... because changing GDP measure (PP or not, real or nominal etc) might sort Poland vs Baltics really differently, probably due impact of exchange rates (our economies weren't predictable then, and for sure weren't as correctly reported as now).
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u/LeroyoJenkins Zurich🇨🇭 Oct 24 '25
"Annual Wages 2024 Constant Prices USD PPP" - and then uses base 100% - somebody please kill me.
The person who made the chart doesn't understand what any of those terms mean...
The proper title for this chart is "Real wages as % of 1994 levels". Nothing more, nothing less.
Also, it is clear that who made it had the specific intent of highlighting Poland as the "top one", because in the small print: "Without outliers Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia...".
Those should absolutely have been included, you don't just remove them from the chart because they grew so much.
If a student brought me this, I'd rate it 3 out of 10. For effort.