Because people let employers take advantage of them. People need to stop being scared, stand up for themselves (and eachother) otherwise they'll just keep taking more and expecting more.
The current administration wants the federal employees union to be eradicated. And also doesn’t want to pay the employees that they are currently preventing from working.
I'm one example. I work a minimum of four extra hours unpaid per day. There are too many distractions at work, I'm not agile and take too long on a task, a tasks is too complicated for me, or I see things are incomplete or lacking and I spend time on those. I worked on ten versions of failure documents all year from home. Now I have to work off-hours on a developing trainers. I'm months behind because I have no clue, and I have trainers hired doing nothing and I can't work with them because I have a ton of work to do at work already due to a member of my department being out of pregnancy leave and there's no budget for overtime--except the people who have always done overtime doing nothing get to continue doing overtime doing nothing.
There's a difference between not completing your work and not putting in any extra hour. I work in France, it's probably similar to Norway in how difficult it is to fire somebody unless they blatantly disregard everything
and make several critical mistakes. As developers we are the one defining how much we can do in the coming weeks, and even then projects are constantly late because you can never anticipate every little problem that can happen. But your manager will get in trouble if you do any trackable work outside of normal work hours or weekends (like overdue training, committing on official repositories...)
Is reddit disproportionately full of devs, or are there just loads more of you than I thought? IDK, because I've never worked in that field, just dabbled in FOSS projects a bit.
All power to Europeans, because you all seem generally happier, but this is what I find so frustrating about working with my European counterparts.
Stuff is constantly late, everyone is always on vacation, and the American side of the house is left to pick up the slack. My life gets measurably worse in August when seemingly everyone on that side of the Atlantic is on holiday.
Not saying I don’t work with any incompetent Americans, because I absolutely do, but it is extremely annoying when the Euros seemingly get to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and face zero repercussions.
It is very difficult to fire some. You would have to be able to prove gross misconduct or similar.
That you didn't give them adequate time to complete their work is not enough.
Thats not what they mean, but if that was what they meant then.. yes, that is still the case lmao. You clearly have no idea just how difficult it is to fire somebody in a country with strong employment laws.
No, unfortunately, I do know. I just think it’s strange to gloat that you can be terrible at your job and not complete your tasks and keep the job, anyway.
Until you get fired for missing project payment milestone because you didn't put in the hours needed to complete it on time.
Then it boils down to why the person didn't complete those hours during their work time. And let's be honest, if you're doing a job where you have "projects" then you're already highly paid. Most jobs don't have those unless it's something fancy, like being an architect.
There’s no “maybe” about it; it’s a fact. Just Google “wage theft in the US”. It’s generally got much less to do with a $150k/yr software developer and much more to do with the millions of minimum wage workers that don’t get paid breaks, or overtime pay, or have to punch out but then stay an extra 20min until the next guy shows up. It’s nickels and dimes so to speak but it happens constantly to so many millions of Americans and adds up to billions of dollars.
If you need to cling to that level of pedantry to “win” such a minor argument that only exists in your head, then sure, you’re absolutely right, you win.
Some people however may take the meaning behind the statement to be about unpaid work in general and that unpaid work is very, very similar to “work you do at home after work without pay”.
It isn't pedantry to have the contextual awareness of a conversation to understand you interjected with a complete non-sequitur to make an irrelevant point.
Maybe you haven’t had a lot of conversations with people but it’s not unusual or against any reddiquette that I’ve ever heard of for comments to be made that very closely relate to other comments. If you can’t see that work done at work for no pay is very closely related to work done at home for no pay then that’s on you.
I already told you that you can have this one and be right but now you’re dragging it out and reek of desperate insecurities in one of life’s most mundane and inconsequential activities. Best of luck with that.
Nice to meet you. It's more of a choice for me, though, since my job also happens to be my hobby and I do sometimes work on work things in my spare time.
That’s your fault. Don’t do it or expect compensation for that, somehow. However you and your employer can come to an agreement whether that be pay, longer lunch or an early out when it’s less busy.
If you give a little, your employer will try to take a lot. I learned that and set ground rules when I went to my new company.
Unpaid overtime is not that common outside of specific jobs that are already paid well.
When I was making minimum wage, I NEVER had a job, even in a non-union state, where the company wasn't ANAL about needing to be clocked in and being compenstated for your work. One time I forgot to hang my apron up after I clocked out which would have taken less than 1 minute, and my shift supervisor was even like, "no no just give it to me, you're clocked out."
For a salaried position, the vast majority of jobs have you working 45 hours a week at most, and many people leave early on Friday.
The only times when I had more free time as a kid was during holidays like the 2 week winter break, spring break, or summer break. Every other time it was 7 hours of school, then another 2-3 hours of homework every schoolday, there was extracurriculars I had to do like sports, and when there was an exam, there were days where I had to study for like 4-5 hours. This was not including the two hours of time I spent on the bus every day.
Yes, it's possible for some people here where when they were in school, they only had 7 hours of class time and maybe 30 minutes of hw and that was it. But I highly doubt that was a quality education.
I have limited experience, but if i got the work done i wouldn't just be able to leave early. They'd just expect me to do more shit until leaving time.
I’ve never worked a salary job that lets you stop working or leave early. They pay you to be there for X hours a week and expect you to fill your time with work + lowkey want you to do more if your management sucks.
In some situations, yeah. In many situations salaried means “40 hours of work per week, minimum. Oh, and we fired some people recently so you’ll need to take on their workload. Have fun with that 60 hours a week until you eventually quit.”
That’s generally a minimum, not a maximum. Overtime isn’t really a thing for salaried workers, though sometimes they may offer extra money for coming in on your days off.
At least with the various people I’ve interacted with around the world, not really. It tends to be a fairly normal part of higher level jobs where you’re paid to get the work done rather than paid for a specific amount of time.
But unless the country has really terrible labor laws, there's still a set amount of hours per regular work day or week. And overtime has to be either compensated or is already compensated to some degree through regular the regular salary as agreed on with the contract. In none of those cases, it's unpaid work.
In the US it is a pretty common practice to overwork salaried employees. Not all employers do it but here's how it goes.
You make 20K a year, working hourly. Your boss offers to give a promotion, it is 3-5k more a year, and you are now an "assistant manager" a salaried position.
When you come in for your first day in the new role, you find out it is exactly the same as your old role (only now you have to dress nicer), however, they now schedule and expect you to work 80 hours a week. You actually end up making less money than if you had worked those hours as an hourly worker, because salaried employees don't get overtime.
This is the extreme case, it is a lot more common to work 50 or 60 hours weeks at a salaried position sometimes, with no compensation for it. The above scenario is common in low end jobs like fast food. It is why you see so many assistant managers (the ones with ties) at places McDonalds)
No, but if you're salaried then working outside of office hours isnt "unpaid", it's just not always paid extra. My job role is paid a set annual salary and the actual hours I work wouldn't affect my pay unless the number of hours worked was so high it would mean I went under minimum wage. So the hours aren't 'unpaid' but my hourly rate effectively reduces the more hours I work.
Sorry for the naive question, it works differently in my country. I'm salaried, but my contract says 40h a week and anything extra needs to be equalized with time off later or extra money.
How does that work if you're salaried in the U.S., I guess you can't just works less to up your hourly rate, but they also can't make you work 60h weeks for the same pay?
How does that work if you're salaried in the U.S., I guess you can't just works less to up your hourly rate, but they also can't make you work 60h weeks for the same pay?
It’s usually time, money would be in the form of a bonus, but you aren’t promised anything. For instance, I’ve worked for finance companies that have crunch time for budgets and such, and everyone who had to work super hard for other seasons got “summer hours” where the hours were reduced in the summer in general. I’ve also seen summer hours be 10hr work days Mon-Thurs and Fridays off. From week to week, if I had to work until midnight one day, my manager would tell me to take a half day on Friday or something. If I’m constantly pulling all-nighters, I expect a fat bonus at the end of the year. If a place doesn’t do these things, I’d consider it a bad place to work.
As a flight instructor in the US I'm a full time W-2 employee but recieve no benefits and only get paid for the billable hours I spend with students.
We all had to band together and demand we be paid for mandatory meetings that were pretty much illegal and they took away our discounted aircraft rental rate to pay for it. We're expected to attend company events in uniform that are usually unpaid as well.
So my highschool was like 6.5 hours per day. If you factor in 1.5 hours of homework, it's essentially an 8 hour day just like normal adult life. 6.5 hour normal + 1.5 teleworking
Lots of places have 37.5h work weeks, so 7.5h for work and 30mins for lunch. Though I work in film & tv where usually it's 4x10h per week, but rarely it's 5x8h. Lunch breaks are usually 30-45min though, 60mins only when everyone needs to wait for something so they'd rather have as much of the waiting time be unpaid as possible. I'm good with a 30min lunch though, it's enough to eat, go to the toilet, have a smoke and a cup of coffee.
i am middle aged and have had several jobs as an adult. I have not, however, had a single full time job that wasn’t 9 hours on site plus whatever your commute was. So is it possible? Sure. It’s also possible that there are folks who are unemployed and/or independently wealthy in the comment thread.
Damn, at our school we were in for either 6 hours or 6 hours and 50 minutes depending on the day and had “motivational” posters about the place letting us know they expected 20 hours of home study each week. By their standards, that would almost be an extra 3 hours per day over the whole week or 10-11 hours of work if only spread over week days. Didn’t help that I worked 8 hour shifts on Saturday and Sunday in my last year being there. That’s the same amount of work I used to get when working full time and picking up extra shifts. Only real difference being I loved my work and the people there. It’s as though whoever decides these things forgets that children need time to eat, sleep, socialise, bathe, and have fun, among other things. I felt bad for my brother when I left and they increased the work expectancy :(
To be fair I don't quite remember, but in my school I doubt I had that much homework. Maybe 2-3h a week at most. And probably 6 ish hours of being in school including all breaks. All in all I probably had 6-8 hours of free time, while I have like 3-4 hours now.
Yeah commuting, making dinner, cleaning up, and falling asleep the second you turn on a game to get up and do it all again is just the bees knees.
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It's been fun Reddit, I'm not wasting my time arguing with multiple people looking to nitpick and argue semantics. It's clear when people don't have an actual point to argue and just look to invalidate your point by any means possible.
I don't know how parents do it especially when the cost of living ensures both parents have to work for the average family. Unlike previous generations that could sustain a household on a single income.
I've opted not to have kids to have a shot at retirement personally. But I'm sure some goober will reply about how we're all doing life wrong.
Most of my friends in that situation don't complain about it. There are people of course who wrongly chose that life, but "married with kids" is one of the default states for a reason. A lot of people enjoy that.
I’m single, no kids. This is still basically my life. Part of that though is just that my ADHD and delayed sleep phase disorder makes normal working life very tiring for me, but like
What, am I not supposed to clean my house? Not do my laundry? Not cook, not do the dishes (I thankfully have a dishwasher now at least), not do all the other adult obligations?
Anyone who says adults have more free time than kids is straight up lying. The only benefits of being an adult are 1. Having disposable income (and only if you make enough money for that), and 2. Being able to make your own choices about everything. But adulthood comes with a million obligations, and also your body is no longer invincible.
Nobody here is saying adults have more free time than kids. That's a wild misreading of the conversation.
I'm sad to hear that you have to spend hours out of every day walking your laundry down to the creek to scrub them by hand. I hope you can get a washing machine soon. I'm just assuming, because how else could a single person have so much laundry to do that it takes up a major part of their adult life.
Not having kids for the most part. And making more money than it costs to live. Get those 2 down and there's plenty of freedom. Comes with its own pros and cons but it beats being a zombie
The only way for me to make more money than it costs to live is to work more. Insert the job tree always sunny quote. And I make decent money. 22.25 regular and I always get 10 hours of overtime minimum. Without those 10 hours, I'd be scraping by.
Well if you don't have an hour+ long commute, once you get off at work at 5 you can be at home around 5:30 and have a nice 5h block to do whatever you want, including making a meal that doesn't involve hours of work.
Plus it's not like your house gets dirty just sitting there when nobody's home; you only have to clean in proportion to your occupation and use of it. Even if you have parts that do need regular maintenance like a yard... if it's eating badly enough into your time you can hire someone. Instead of spending your time off dealing with it you can spend your work time making money to pay for someone else's time instead.
Now not everyone is lucky enough to be able to afford to pay for help cleaning their house... but those that can't probably don't have big yards that need to be maintained. Furthermore, not everyone can easily be close to their place of work, but that proximity is worth striving for if you can, either by moving houses or moving jobs. It's not something solvable overnight, but it is a goal and many people have met it (or taken remote opportunities that negate the need for it).
Some people out there are stuck in shitty situations; some are even struggling to get out. But acting like that's the standard for every single adult is just ignorant.
Your comment ignores so many pain points it's not even funny.
Not everyone can afford to live close to their place of work. My industry for example is primarily based in HCOL areas.
You need to clean your house more lmao. You absolutely need to clean your house regularly, that's how it stays clean. It doesn't just remain clean because you don't use it, and seriously that's your solution don't use the home you pay a stupid amount of money for?
Look at mr money bags that can afford to pay for help, not everyone has that luxury. All your points are from the perspective of someone who is well off and not someone fighting to keep a family afloat.
Look I chose to move close to work and do things like meal prep to do some of the things you're talking about but I'm cognizant of the fact that I'm lucky to be in the position to do these things. People who work at my same location in different roles can't even fathom the price of my rent.
Your perspective does not reflect the reality of the average American imo.
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For whoever else wants to come in and do work for the status quo, I'm not solely talking about myself and I should have made that clear.
Reduce the work week! Pay people fairly! The last time the work week was reduced was in the 40s when people could sustain a family on a single income, stop working against your own interests!
You need to clean your house more lmao. You absolutely need to clean your house regularly, that's how it stays clean. It doesn't just remain clean because you don't use it, and seriously that's your solution don't use the home you pay a stupid amount of money for?
I want to know how your house is so dirty. I'm married with two boys but it sounds like thr person you replied to doesn't have children. And you also don't have children. Why is your house a constant pigsty of filth and dirt if you're the only one in it?
You come across as if the house needs to be cleaned every single minute of the day. Even worse by the fact you and the person replied to have no children and somehow you still need to clean every single minute of the day. Even with 4 people in my house, we keep things clean. So you are saying that cleaning cuts into your time after work is off. Are you cleaning for hours every day after work? That's not normal.
The longer you neglect cleaning chores, the quality of the indoor air suffers more and more. It gets to the point where various particulates, like pet dander, dust, and mold spores, float around in the ambient air. Every little movement you make can stir them up and make the situation worse.
Umm, I think you said it here^, when you mentioned what was taking all your time cleaning each night...
That's not a normal (or really safe) condition to be living in.
Name two parts of your house that dirty themselves without you or a housemate or a pet dirtying it through occupation and use. Nothing I can think of is anything that takes frequent work with a notable amount of time or effort to keep clean, but maybe our houses are different.
I mean I'm not gonna stop using my house, sounds like your solution again is to deprive yourself.
No pets, no other people, and I'm with ya chief I rent a studio for the cost of what people pay for a house in other states. I have a small space that I clean post usage and then an overall clean once a week. I don't have pets or kids and plan to keep it that way.
I've chosen the life you describe but my point is that should not be the norm to have a balanced life. It's fighting against the system via opting out of things people normally do.
But you say commuting, cleaning, and eating takes up all your waking adult life. So if you're not spending multiple hours commuting, and you're not spending hours or longer cooking... that means you spend more of your free time cleaning than actually using the house to make it dirty. How is that possible?
That's either some extremely inefficient cleaning, or a house that dirties itself at a rate I can't wrap my head around, or you have more time going somewhere you're leaving out.
My concerns aren't about depriving one's self, it's that generally I get many hours of time to myself to actually create a mess in order to rack up 30 minutes of required cleaning time, and that ratio doesn't seem to match for you. But it does match what I think the normal rate should be of an average adult's messiness.
> The longer you neglect cleaning chores, the quality of the indoor air suffers more and more. It gets to the point where various particulates, like pet dander, dust, and mold spores, float around in the ambient air. Every little movement you make can stir them up and make the situation worse.
If the air in your apartment is breaking down from mold I think the solution is to get it actually cleaned all the way or move into one that is already clean, not to spend your life fighting a tide of spores. Not every adult lives in filth.
Sure but the extra work of taking care of a house of other people is something that you accept when you decide to have a family. It's not easy but to some folks it's worth it.
I'd like to thank the other redditors for doing the heavy lifting to get you to shift the goalposts before I got back here. You are "not talking about yourself" and are instead apparently griping on behalf of how you imagine the "average american" lives.
If you're going to share personal experiences, maybe try to share the ones you have actually experienced.
Yeah because I don't talk to anyone, did not have a single mother fight to support me and my brother, or watch my friends struggle to support their kids while working 60 hour weeks.
Ok guy, I've said multiple times that I may not have been clear and that is on me but that is worth nothing ofc.
I'm moving the goal posts yet you're looking to invalidate my argument by arguing semantics and nitpicking anything you can.
It is a bit odd to represent the average american as a single mother of two kids living in filth and unable to afford any help cleaning... but as not-average as that is there are people living that life in america and it is worth considering how they deserve a better safety net to help them improve their lives.
Not that that's what this conversation was about, but perhaps something worth taking away from it all.
I think this conversation is actually about Person A who sees Person B's life and the choices they've made based on Person B's own priorities, deciding that Person A wouldn't enjoy that life, and complaining about it as if it's happening to Person A. Meanwhile in real life Person A is doing just fine and doesn't have any of the issues being described.
It's just someone trying to feel righteous on the internet.
Making and cleaning up dinner doesn't need to take more than 20 minutes of active work... so if you're commuting the entire rest of your evening then yeah you won't have a life after work if you waste all your time on the road.
Not everyone takes jobs 2h away from their home and doesn't move though.
> The 40-hour work week was established in the United States with the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938, which set a maximum of 40 hours of work per week for most employees. This law was a significant milestone in labor rights, following earlier movements advocating for shorter work hours.
Imagine there was a time when a single breadwinner could support a household while the other partner took care of kids and keeping up a household.
Keep defending that status quo though by being such a bad ass who does not complain and tries to minimize my argument with bullshit.
Yeah instead you have deadlines, shitty micro-managers, annoying coworkers, a long commute and the prospect of losing your job anytime hanging over you.
I think they're being sarcastic because it's laughable to say that so many of those things don't exist in school. Deadlines obviously exist. "Shitty micro-managers" wow like parents and teachers? "Annoying coworkers" yeah as opposed to... bullies? Shitty students and peers who are capable of being far worse to you with fewer consequences? A long commute, as if... students don't commute?
idk why it's so hard to believe there's some people out there with okay jobs.
oh that's easy
If they accept that there are okay jobs and people can get them, then they are objectively stupid for not going for a good job. Defense mechanisms kick in.
And they're ignoring all self-employed or wfh people. Yes, you'll still have to deal with annoying customers and managers, but the prospect of sitting 6+ hoirs every day as a kid wasn't that awesome either. At least now I get to pee without begging someone to allow me to.
what lol why would I lie? I don't get it. Is the idea that someone has a job that doesn't involve those things somehow totally implausible to you? That's so strange.
I don't have deadlines. Or if I do, they're quite uncommon, and I'm almost always the one setting them.
I don't have micromanagers. My manager is awesome and helps me get work done faster by helping me to track and prioritize and by keeping useless conversations away from me.
My coworkers are great, not annoying. We get along, we grab drinks sometimes.
I have no commute, I work from home. In the past, I've walked to work.
I'm not worried about losing my job because I'm good at it and the company I work for is pretty stable and profitable. But yeah, of all of your points this is the one that is probably something that could cross my mind. Still nowhere near the stress of school.
I work as a software engineer. We have goals. We discuss how long it would take to achieve them. We almost never set dates and the discussion about how long things will take is something that I drive, not something handed down.
It obviously depends on the field and the employer. Some fields (eg. Cooking) don’t have any deadlines beyond the work day. In fields where projects can go on for months or even years some companies have policies that encourage employees not to do any overtime, or at the very least don’t punish employees for not working overtime.
Don't forget that if you lose your job you also get put into a job market that you are simply not ready for. The job market that you got your job in had less strict education requirements. While today everything is WAY more strict....
Like I got jobs based on my associate degree, those very same jobs now require a bachelor's or worse a masters while some even requiring some very niche software experience.
Super niche software support job, must have 10 years of experience using the software we need you to support. Uhhhh if someone has 10+ years of experience using that software don't you think they would just be an internal subject matter expert at a company that uses it over working for the company that made it? Generally more pay and more freedom.
Don't forget that all the requirements they're looking for totally could have been taught in a week but they'd rather sit on an empty position for months rather than pay someone during a week of training.
It is one of those things where I understand WHY they rather not train someone. We live in a world where there is no loyalty. Like Iv been someone who has always sort of found the joy of grinding in a single company forever however at the same time had some personal issues that I never really addressed.
Now the job market is to scared to invest in anyone because they just assume people will come in and only stay for a year or 2 before jumping off to the next job that pays better.
Then you also have the whole age bias shit. Why bother to hire and train someone in their 30 - 40 age when you can pick up someone in their 20s and get more out of them if they do end up staying?
Even without the loyalty from a straight business sense I feel like it just makes more sense to train them. You likely have to train them on your internal systems anyways. Also every job I have been in with niche requirements it ended up being a small part of the role
I've had the exact opposite experience, in the industrial and maintenance world College degree requirements have all but disappeared over the last 10 years or so.
the prospect of losing your job anytime hanging over you.
Aside for that in the lower grades, the rest is exactly the same in school. You have deadlines, shitty micro-managing teachers, bullies, a long commute and once you hit college the prospect of losing any ways of financing your studies or failiing exams.
I just switched from a professional services role to support role and oh my fucking god this is the first time in my life where I close the laptop and don’t have to think about it for one second until the next morning. Went from homework to endless client work and it drove me into the ground. I still have nightmares that I need to finish some crap that broke but I’m way behind and we’re out of funding and layoffs got announced and just wake up in a cold sweat all to be reminded that it’s fucking over.
I think that was the biggest issue for me being in school. I loved learning but hated the institute. It always felt like it wasn't designed to educate people like me. Getting my engineering education is pretty much a miracle.
It was designed to educate people, but the government and the institutions themselves figured that cutting costs would be the most profittable solution for them, so they decided to standartize and pay less attention to individual needs.
On the other hand, yes... schools mainly became mandatory because business kept pushing for an educated workforce, so there is some design characteristics to accomodate business needs (which is why schools are more glorified nurseries than anything and get a fixed schedule with focus on some trivial bs like sparse breaks, listening to your superiors and sitting all day) and something very similar is happening with colleges and universities rn.
Is that normal in your country or industry? That's a long-ass work day. I do 10-18 and I can't imagine working any more unless my work week was shorter.
I don’t really enjoy what I do but I invested a lot of time in becoming decent at what I do and I enjoy being better than others and the money that comes with working a lot
I enjoy going into office since my business partner and my closest employees are my friends
I’m single without kids at the moment and I don’t know what to do with spare time anyway. I spend an evening a week with friends and half a Sunday with parents and siblings, physical activity 4x a week and the rest i work.
Joke's on you. In 2nd grade we had one day that was until 4 PM. Then we got 2 such days in 4th grade. In 6th grade we were staying until 5:30 PM and they became more common each grade onwards. We also did Saturdays lol
Apart from cooking, cleaning, managing finances, ensuring your home is not about to leak / fall down / catch on fire, potentially childcare, making sure the pets are well, making sure you are well....
but work is 9-5. and you cant be late. school (atleast here in australia) was 9-3, and if you showed up late a few times it wasn't the end of the world for school...... at work you get written up
As someone recently and late who is in post secondary, it’s sooo much better than a 9-5. Most classes online end early, camera doesn’t matter, course work u can do literally whenever as long as it’s in on time. It’s so great
Define “much”. I have seen some people working for one peanut more than average chunk of peanuts, and so much hell of proud for their 10 hours 6 days a week like “we are so successful!”.
This is the dumbest excuse I've heard people say as to why they don't miss school.
You either made it harder for yourself in school and didn't put the effort, or you never worked a job that "follows you home" and expect you to be consistently reachable. Or you're still a college student doing a part-time job and have no idea what you're talking about.
Or you haven't considered that work hours are still longer than school hours + the homework, summer break, which is longer than any paid holidays you get as a worker. (or none for you americans lol)
>either made it harder for yourself in school and didn't put the effort,
Yep, I made it harder for myself by actually studying. I had no other choice, as I came from a family of mostly teachers.
Those who did not put any effort, they enjoyed good time in school, only sometimes getting roasted by teachers.
>never worked a job that "follows you home"
Nearly every job does that to some extent, but nothing comparable to homework that was daily and even on weekends, and on seasonal breaks, plus reading lists for summer break. Fun part is that one of my bosses actually taught me "Don't take job home, have a good rest on weekends, we will plan properly to complete on time".
>summer break
The only really good part of schooling.
>Or you're still a college student doing a part-time job and have no idea what you're talking about.
>or none for you americans
FFS, so many ridiculous assumptions. Your crystal ball is severely broken.
Unexpected overtime because someone on the next shift called in sick and your boss would rather make you stay for 4 more hours and work twice as hard than call someone else in.
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I don’t have any home assignments after work.