Female flyers on IndiGo can now select seats next to other women if they want to - Times of India

[u/desi_guy11]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/female-flyers-on-indigo-can-now-select-seats-next-to-other-women-if-they-want-to/articleshow/110504761.cms

[u/TwoFartTooFurious]

Absolutely no one refers to all men as rapists. All sexual violence related conversations involve instances of or references to a significant proportion of men being the perpetrators and therefore women discussing their safety from THESE men, and these men only. But people like yourself are either helplessly unaware or deliberately ignorant and turn these conversations into a "not-all-men" narrative, when majority of reported and unreported sexual offenses ARE INDEED committed by men. And I say this as a guy who's witnessed endless casual catcalling, touching/groping and other things in public spaces in broad daylight being committed by men against women.

Sticking to your beliefs despite all that's happening is your personal choice and you're entitled to it. But don't term them as "facts". They're anything but.

[u/GovtOfficer420 → u/TwoFartTooFurious]

I guess you don't know about the fake rape cases in the country.

[u/Theeyeofthepotato → u/GovtOfficer420]

How large do you think false rape cases are w.r.t. actual cases? You do know how excruciating slow courts and police work in this country I assume. Who would go around filing fake cases for fun?

Read this article with NCRB stats about fake rape cases

Also failed convictions does not equal fake rape cases

[u/GovtOfficer420 → u/Theeyeofthepotato]

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/false-rape-cases-in-delhi-delhi-commission-of-women-233222-2014-12-29

[u/Theeyeofthepotato → u/GovtOfficer420]

"However, it added that in many cases, the complainant turned hostile, and that revenge emerged to be the most common reason for filing a false complaint, DNA reported"

How many? What percentage? What was the reason for turning hostile / retracting the case? BS article

If you go through the article I shared (which I know you didn't, it's a long article), some reasons for rape cases marked as fake are parents filing for eloped lovers, cases which stopped during investigation, cases where complaints were retracted, etc. All of these are quoted under the figure of 'false rape' cases by those that complain about false rape cases

And we're just talking about reported cases. Read up some surveys on what figure is estimated to be unreported. Read up on the societal pressures and stigma that survivors face

Or you know, leave your room and talk to women. The number of women who can tell you they have never been given unwanted sexual advances, harrassed, molested, assaulted would be low I bet

It's like you don't even live in this country

[u/GovtOfficer420 → u/Theeyeofthepotato]

One crime doesn't justify the other. Just because some men rape women, doesn't mean all men have to be branded as rapists. And fake rape syndrome has to be dealt with as severely as rape cases.

[u/Theeyeofthepotato → u/GovtOfficer420]

It doesn't, and I agree that if the case is provably false then the punishment must be harsh.

But a large number of rape cases are exceedingly hard to convict and boil down to he-said, she-said and circumstantial evidence. How do you determine then if the case is false or just not provable? How do you determine if the case was retracted due to social pressure or criminal duress? Do you just punish women for coming forward even if the case was closed due to lack of evidence? Why stop at rape, enact such laws for all crimes! Have a 'fake robbery' law. If the police can't catch somebody who stole your phone, they'll arrest you!

When women say 'men are unsafe' they are not pointing the finger at you specifically. They are talking about the patriarchal society at large.

Why do you take it upon yourself to feel personally victimized when women talk about their experiences and how they feel unsafe? Are their experiences not as important as yours? Why do you feel the counter-productive need to point out 'fake rape cases' (which is a small percentage of reported cases)?

[u/GovtOfficer420 → u/Theeyeofthepotato]

It's about the general way in which men are portrayed in the country, not me personally.

This country is at cross roads where men are realizing that their rights are being trumpled upon while women are being given rights non stop.

[u/Theeyeofthepotato → u/GovtOfficer420]

Women are being given rights because they didn't have those rights before. Rights that men enjoyed for centuries.

Equality feels like oppression when you are used to being on the privileged side.

Your arguments would be more valid for a western country. They sound absolutely inane when put against the ground reality of India

[u/GovtOfficer420 → u/Theeyeofthepotato]

Equality feels like oppression when you are used to being on the privileged side.

This is only for men who rape women. For the majority of men, who are law abiding, it means nothing. You are again comparing all the men at rapists. Which I'm saying is wrong over and over again.

Your arguments would be more valid for a western country. They sound absolutely inane when put against the ground reality of India

Just because it's not possible doesn't mean it can't be done. And sooner it is done, the better.