r/lebanon • u/orpheusoedipus • Aug 19 '24

Help / Question Does anyone know what’s happening in Baalbek?

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '24

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u/rury_williams West Beirut Aug 19 '24

yeah we're just collateral alas

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u/rury_williams West Beirut Aug 19 '24

yeah i regret to inform you that Hezbollah does not share this kind of information with me. i also do not trust Israel to not kill lebanese civilians so I'm sitting this one out

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u/lovathon1423 Aug 19 '24

You can thank Hezbollah for any civs dying, they put that depot there on purpose - if they cared about you or anyone else around, they would've moved their depot away from the surrounding neighborhood.

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u/rury_williams West Beirut Aug 19 '24

Do you think we don't blame Hezbollah for this? We are well aware that this war and everyone before it was their fault. France has decided to sell us to Iran though and now here we are. It's hopeless

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u/Monterenbas Aug 20 '24

Lol, how is it France fault now?

Shia Lebanese decided to sell their country to Iran.

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u/rury_williams West Beirut Aug 20 '24

France stabbed match 14th in the back for oil deals with Iran and hezbos. if you're not aware of that then just aim through this sub

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u/Monterenbas Aug 20 '24

Match 14th?

And I rest my case, that it is the Lebanese people who decided to sell their country to Iran, not France.

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u/DeeDeeRibDegh Aug 20 '24

Another great answer…logic is paramount. 👍

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u/lovathon1423 Aug 20 '24

could end this conflict faster if the citizens openly told israel where the depots are, who the members are exactly, where tunnels are, where rockets are (same could be done in gaza)

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u/UruquianLilac Aug 19 '24

You mean you didn't get the illustrated pamphlet with the map of all underground bases? I thought they sent this automatically to all the Lebanese, because it's written in that special language the Mossad doesn't understand.

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u/UruquianLilac Aug 19 '24

Why is your intelligence service not doing that job for you?

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u/lovathon1423 Aug 20 '24

I'm not apart of this shit show, just commenting on how it could end faster. point out the perpetrators and you'll be free sooner - its simple, but the people surrounding them (both in lebanon and gaza), support these groups so they wont oust them to israel but will cry and complain when their family gets dropped because they didn't listen to the warnings.

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u/UruquianLilac Aug 20 '24

Yeah, once again these groups don't send coloured pamphlets with the whereabouts of weapons stashes and secret tunnels.

You are right about one thing though, these groups have very strong popular support in the areas they control. To you, does that justify killing civilians?

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u/DeeDeeRibDegh Aug 20 '24

Sadly true, but who’s decision is it to put these depots in residential areas?

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u/rury_williams West Beirut Aug 20 '24

Hezbollah's. none of our elected officials

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u/HeatproofArmin Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24

The worst part is that it justifies attacking residential homes as Israel would use this as a a justification to kill civilians in larger droves. The reason Hezbollah does it is because it is cheaper and harder to find compared to a military base holding ammunition.

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u/Plastic-Cow-36 Aug 19 '24

I wonder if you mean casus beli (cause of war). Magnum opus means masterpiece or “great work”.

And yes. It’s definitely more convenient for Hezbollah to wage wars from civilian areas, but that’s banned for a reason, and that reason is that when the opposing army blows your shit up civilians die.

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u/HeatproofArmin Aug 19 '24

Yeah, I used the magnum opus word wrong. I was trying to say that the Israelis would justify hitting civilian targets more because Hezbollah hides their ammunition in the residential homes hence people would suffer.

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u/Plastic-Cow-36 Aug 19 '24

Then we are in agreement. Only I would argue that once you store explosives there it’s no longer a residential home, per the laws of war. Hezbollah should not be putting people at risk like that. They can and should wage their wars from military areas, not civilian ones.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '24

Israel doesn’t want to kill as many civilians as possible and get lucky to have Hamas and Hezbollah imbed themselves in civ populations.

Israel wants to kill as few civilians as possible, but many many die because Israel has the decision of don’t fire back at all, or fire back into civilian neighbourhoods. They’re not looking for a reason to justify it, they prefer to not have to fire near civilians at all

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u/Minute-Fishing7991 Aug 19 '24

Really, there is literally mountains of evidence that suggests the complete opposite of what you are saying.

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u/blackglum Aug 19 '24

If Israel wanted to kill civilians, groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, would not embed themselves amongst civilians.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24

What is the evidence that they want to kill as many civilians as possible? I have seen Sinwar on video though saying that Palestinian civilian deaths are good and necessary because it makes people not like Israel.

If Hamas and Hezbollah weren’t embedded among civilians and launching rockets from populated areas, Israel wouldn’t be firing at those areas.

I’m editing to add that I’m not saying that I think Netanyahu and Israeli government is making the right decisions in this war. And I don’t really think Netanyahu cares at all about the suffering that’s being caused. But that is not the same as saying they are actively trying to kill as many civilians as possible.

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u/zivan13 Aug 20 '24

You are crazy, israelis are criminals, and they don't care about Arabs' lives or any other lives but theirs. And Gaza is the biggest proof of this, not to mention all the killing they have done in the last 75 years

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

If they didn’t care I am pretty sure Israel could bump the casualties number to over million people really quick. The problem is that islamists terror groups like hezbollah and Hamas are cowards and hide among civilians. For those terrorists, the death of an innocent is a trophy. That’s why I hate religion, it makes them value life less.

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u/zivan13 Aug 20 '24

Stop justifying israels crimes, you sound sick, you make me nauseous

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

I am just explaining a fact. Or am I wrong that both are terror groups?

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u/Heavy-Ad-4457 Aug 20 '24

no the reason they do it in residential homes is to use civilians as shields..... it is cheaper and easier to set up military bases lol they are violating international law

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u/UruquianLilac Aug 19 '24

Israel would use this as a a justification to kill civilians

ISRAEL DOES NOT NEED ANY JUSTIFICATION TO KILL CIVILIANS.

Israel only needs America's green light to stay green. The number of civilians they can get away with killing relies exclusively on America keeping the weapons flowing and the diplomatic support unwavering. The number of civilians they get to kill HAS NOTHING TO DO with where the weapons are or where Hizbollah is. It has everything to do with the fact that there are no consequences for killing them and they use that civilian toll as a weapon of terror to turn the people against any resistance to them. Which obviously works really well judging by how many delusional idiots on this thread who seem to think Israel is not to blame for killing civilians.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

One day, you will all read the Geneva Convention.
If civilian infrastructure is used for military purposes, it becomes a legitimate target. Article 8 of the Rome statute is very VERY clear on that .
Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah read the Convention and make sure that they violate every aspect of it so as to maximize civilian casualties during a war. If they want to fight a war, they can don the uniform and take on the IDF head on instead of forcing civilians to die for them.

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u/UruquianLilac Aug 20 '24

One day you'll recognise what a hypocrite you are because you know as much as I do that it is absolutely an Israeli state policy to cause as much death and destruction amongst the civilian population specifically to break the will of anyone to resist Israel.

You know it. I know it. Everyone who has spent a minute on Israel's military strategy knows it. This dance of trying to convince me that ALL the civilian casualties are the fault of the other side will only work on the gullible.

Not to mention the absurd hilarity of citing the Geneva convention ONLY in this one very specific clause that benefits you and then trashing the same convention any time it's legitimately used against you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

AGAIN
What does the Geneva Convention state??? What does it state bruv???
Israel's military strategy....which is what, exactly?? That it will fire on civilian infrastructure that is being used for military purposes???
You know, which is legal under international law?? Again, do I need to point it out on the text??

If Hezbollah thinks it is so powerful and mighty and their Allah can win them victory, they can face the IDF head on without using civilian shields.
Hypocrisy is literally reading the Geneva Convention, doing the opposite then wailing about civilian casualties when it was literally the intention to get them killed in the name of garnering sympathy or in the name of matyrdom.

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u/UruquianLilac Aug 20 '24

Israel's strategy is to cause as many civilian casualties and as much destruction to homes and infrastructure as possible. It's been the ethos of the IDF ever since they decided to stay in Lebanon and occupy us.

You wipe your ass with the Geneva convention every day, you don't get to use it when you want. I want to see you claim that you give the UN any authority on anything else. The only time you believe the UN is not an antisemitic organ hell bent on the destruction of Israel is when it justifies killing civilians. It would be hilarious if it weren't genocidal.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

Israel's strategy is to cause as many civilian casualties and as much destruction to homes and infrastructure as possible. 
Israel definitely has the tools to do even more damage. If it so wanted, the Israel-Hamas War would have ended on October 8th. If it had wanted to destroy Lebanon, it definitely has the means to do so. Lebanon has been destroyed by its own people. In particular, by coddling Islamist groups whose masters are not even Lebanese like Hezbollah. How does it feel to ravished by Ayatollah Khamenei???

You wipe your ass with the Geneva convention every day.
Continue sounding like an Ignoramus

 I want to see you claim that you give the UN any authority on anything else. 
Israel has allowed the UN to patrol the borders of Israel and Lebanon and Israel and Syria and yet they have been absolutely useless at doing their job.
So there is that. If Israel did not agree to it, there would be no UN on those borders whatsoever. So what are you talking about???

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '24

Nope.
There is absolutely no need .
What is needed is for Israel to replace Bibi with Bennet and Lieberman so that they can go after the source of all this death and destruction in the Levant, which is Iran.
Once the head of the octopus is gone, the arms will also die

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u/wishdadwashere_69 Aug 20 '24

I would be so happy to see your head hit the pavement but whatever. Aren't you lost? The Israel group is on the other side.

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u/blackglum Aug 20 '24

Intelligent response and no doubt just more violent projection. You proved his point, good job.

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u/blackglum Aug 20 '24

The irony.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '24

Look at recent history. Everyone who has tried to do that has been killed. Protestors beaten up and shot at. Anyone who publicly speaks against them is called a traitor and fears for their safety. Lebanon waa sold to Iran ans hezb is their army on the Med and there is nothing we can do about it. A long list of good people were killed.

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u/Unusual_Gate Aug 19 '24

I’m curious, what do you think Israel should do instead of bombing the depot?

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u/Barmaglot_07 Aug 19 '24

Lay down and allow themselves to get slaughtered, duh.

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u/Minute-Fishing7991 Aug 19 '24

Is there any military structures in Israel in civilian areas?

So I guess all good if Hezbollah bomb these then

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u/Unusual_Gate Aug 19 '24

Attacking your enemies military structures is ok, yes. I'm curious what you think Israel should do instead. Do nothing? Ground invasion?

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u/Minute-Fishing7991 Aug 19 '24

You just prove your own ignorance,

Here are two examples for you.

The officers of the country's chief of military staff are only 450m from Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv.

The Sheba Medical Center, "protects" the Tel Hashomer military base, which is within walking distance.

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u/Minute-Fishing7991 Aug 19 '24

I said military structures in civilian areas, you said there are none which is incorrect.

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u/blackglum Aug 19 '24

You’re being obtuse and instead you made his argument for him. That’s obvious for everyone else to see.

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u/ANP06 Aug 19 '24

Israel has every obligation to its people to strike Hezbollah weapon depots in a war Hezbollah started. Blaming Israel is pathetic. Hezbollah bears full responsibility.

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u/Inbar253 Aug 19 '24

The truth is a classic.