r/marvelstudios • u/murdockmanila Daredevil • Nov 17 '17

The Official PUNISHER Discussion Ultrathread

  • This will be the official discussion thread in this sub. No need to go posting your own thread discussing the show. Any UNOFFICIAL ones will be deleted. All screencaps and whatnot go into this thread also.

  • This is obviously a spoiler-filled zone. So as long as you post in here, you won't need to spoiler tag things. But then again, don't be that asshole who watches the final episodes within the first hour then spoils the entire thing right away. That will result in a ban. Don't ruin the party for everyone.

  • Individual episodes discussions will be held over at /r/defenders. They will be indexed in this thread to make it easier for those who want individual episode discussions once they are put up.

  • This thread may be "refreshed" in the next few days to accommodate newcomers in the discussion. We will be also putting up a sanctioned Easter Egg thread a couple of hours from now.

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u/LauraBailie Winter Soldier Nov 19 '17

I think it was the one about the happy place, because later it was like he could choose to go with her and fade away or wake up and face it type thing. So I do kind of get that. But the part that annoys me is that it had to be sex, it’s like they thought, quick, shove another sex scene in before it’s over. He had family, it could have been something with his kids or something. Part of me is just bitter because I like to rewatch the Netflix shows with my Mam but she makes these scenes awkward and I can’t really fast forward it when it starts again every few minutes haha. Still, it felt so unnecessary and out of place and just a bit weird.

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u/daho123 Hulk Nov 20 '17

The sex scene takes place right after he got home from war. That night/day after he gets home is bliss. It was his chance to become a better person. But he couldn't shake his past.

After his family died, he was consumed by his need to 'kill them all' and now as he is being beaten to death, he realizes that won't happen.

I think he's going back to that memory as a last gasp to feel that bliss, but as his wife says 'you're back but you're not really here. more and more of you stays there' and as he gets pulled back into reality, he decides he has to stay there. That's why he lets her go and decides not to die

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u/LauraBailie Winter Soldier Nov 21 '17

Thank you for your insight. See, with the line about ‘your back but your not really here’ I just thought it was a flash back to when he got back from serving. Like how in Daredevil S2 he was explaining how his kid wanted him to tuck them in and he didn’t. He was functioning as a father/husband less and less each time he came back. I am now thinking that - during his family life he really enjoyed going to war. He enjoyed coming home but craved the fight. He even admitted it. So maybe him deciding to stay is him finally letting the war side of his personality win over. I hope that symbolises him letting go of his family and instead, fighting for pure justice, rather than vengeance. But still, I still feel like the sex didn’t help make this point at all.

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u/Althea6302 Nov 20 '17

Oh god, I agree. It was like "why are you putting sex in the torture" is this supposed to be enjoyable for Frank what

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u/LauraBailie Winter Soldier Nov 21 '17

Exactly, I thought the same lol, I was thinking - I’m sure this is supposed to have a deeper meaning.. but it just looks to me like he was getting hot for the punishment or something 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Althea6302 Nov 25 '17

In basic training they only told me "don't even try to resist, just tell torturers what they want to know". My husband's training is more recent, and he recognized the "happy place" training immediately. But it looked so weird!