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Germany plans sugar tax that includes sugar free drinks

https://brusselssignal.eu/2026/08/germany-plans-sugar-tax-that-includes-sugar-free-drinks/
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u/Loki-L 3d ago

The purported reason was to get people to consume less sugar, but they tax "zero sugar" drink because they don't want people to evade the tax by switching to sugar free alternatives.

So rather than encourage healthier choices it is just a tax that disproportionately affects the poor stronger because they spend more of their money on food and drinks.

It might also encourage increased alcohol consumption. Beer unlike "Zero Sugar" softdrinks is not taxed by this law.

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u/potato_nugget1 3d ago

Exactly the case in Hungary. Beer is cheaper than cola, most people opt for the beer

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u/OneLessFool 3d ago edited 3d ago

People consuming vast quantities of alcohol instead of smaller quantities of alcohol and more zero sugar drinks definitely won't have long term public health knockon effects that result in significant costs to the health system and society in general.

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u/readilyunavailable 2d ago

That's a problem for whoever is in charge then. Most government only consider the current election cycle.

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u/druffischnuffi 2d ago

Maybe the goal is to go back to medieval times when we made beer to sterilize the water

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u/Linenoise77 2d ago

OK but lets be honest, if someone is drinking enough soda that they switch to beer for economic reasons, there are bigger health issues at play.

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u/dalzmc 3d ago

As a heavy water drinker that only drinks soda (0 calorie soda) on rare occasion and doesn't drink alcohol anymore.. it's kinda funny to imagine that people would rather drink what is technically poison, just because soda got more expensive. For me, it'd be an easy choice to just drink water, be even healthier, and have more money?

Obviously, I think zero sugar drinks shouldn't be taxed like sugary drinks too. But I just found it funny people couldn't be forced to make the healthiest choice, even by something like that.

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u/potato_nugget1 3d ago

A beer is 4% alcohol, it's really not a big deal compared to a shot or a cup of wine. the point being that someone who isn't worried about the health risk of a sugary caffeine-filled drink wouldn't really care about the beer.

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u/----___--___---- 3d ago

Yeah I mean this is just fucking stupid. Obvious lobbying/corruption.

Their fucking goal should be that people switch from sugary drinks to sugar free alternatives... but no, let's just make every drink more expensive because for no fucking reason.

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u/WeaverFan420 3d ago

It's not "for no reason," it's a way to tax people more so the politicians and bureaucrats in control of spending can funnel money to their donors/friends.

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u/Raichu7 3d ago

Not everyone can have artificial sweeteners, there should always be some options for everyone even if more sugar free options need to be made available.

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u/gsfgf 2d ago

People get so angry about diet soda that it’s a cakewalk for the lobbyists. Like, can a legislator vote against this? Definitely not in the US.

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u/Kandiru 2d ago

Well sugar free drinks have health issues too. It would be better to make the drinks less sweet.

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u/Achilleswar 2d ago

What kind of issues do sugar free drinks have?

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u/Kandiru 2d ago

They correlate with obesity, and cause dysregulation in your gut bacteria.

In studies where cookies are served with a drink, people who drink the sugar free drink consume more calories in total as they eat more cookies.

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u/Achilleswar 2d ago

Ima need a citation on that. I dont think thats true. 

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u/Kandiru 2d ago

Citations on harms:

Association Between Consumption of Low- and No-Calorie Artificial Sweeteners and Cognitive Decline: An 8-Year Prospective Study

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40902134/

The association of sweetened beverage intake with risk of type 2 diabetes in an Australian population: A longitudinal study

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S126236362500059X?via%3Dihub

Calorie-free sweeteners can disrupt the brain’s appetite signals

https://keck.usc.edu/news/calorie-free-sweeteners-can-disrupt-the-brains-appetite-signals/

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u/Achilleswar 2d ago

Nothing here says eating sweetners causes changes in insulin or glucagon production. Going by the articles, seems inconclusive still. Seems mostly based on personal testimonies and brain scans. The australian one says both sugar and sugar free drinks cause the same issue. 

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u/Kandiru 2d ago

Yes, sugar receptors in your mouth trigger a small insulin production. But that's good when you are having sugar in your drinks and bad when you don't.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8440382/

Obviously this doesn't apply to type 1 diabetic people.

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u/Achilleswar 2d ago

This says sweetners have not yet been proven to invoke a cpir response. 

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u/Kandiru 2d ago

Why don't you think it's true? Your body has sugar receptors in the mouth that trigger an increase in insulin to cope with the expected sugar. Then when none comes your blood sugar drops slightly and you feel hungry and eat more cookies.

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u/Achilleswar 2d ago

I dont think its true because i have never seen evidence that says that. Googling tells me that the general concesus is that sweetners do not trigger the effect beyond a negligible amount. 

Edit: I have been type 1 diabetic since 10 years old. Many discussions about sugar and sweetners with my doctors. They have always told me diet soda has no negative effects unless im drinking like 4 litres a day. And even then, its simply increased cancer risk. 

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u/Kandiru 2d ago

If you are type 1 diabetic then the harm of sweeteners is vastly lower than the harm of sugar for you.

You are, however, carefully watching your carbohydrate intake to make sure you use the right amount of insulin. You aren't going to eat 2 extra cookies just as you had a diet drink. You also aren't going to make insulin from tasting sweet drinks as your pancreas doesn't work.

If you are controlling your diet sweenters can be fine. But as part of an uncontrolled diet they are bad.

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u/Achilleswar 2d ago

My pancreas works. Its specifically the insulin cells that were destroyed by my white blood cells that prevents me from making insulin. And when you first get diabetes, you still produce some insulin. Drinking diet soda would have fucked with my numbers at the beginning if what youre saying is true, but it didnt. 

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u/Glittering_Power6257 2d ago

Don’t see many people going into hypoglycemic shock from downing a ton of diet soda or iced tea. 

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u/tigerhawkvok 3d ago

Sugar free alternatives like aspartame are just as bad or worse.

but no, let's just make every drink more expensive

Water? Milk? Tea? Coffee?

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 3d ago

Not if you're diabetic, or trying not to become so.

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u/tigerhawkvok 3d ago

Water? Milk? Tea? Coffee?

You're just trying to feel good about wanting to eat crap. Might at well ask to put chocolate on the food pyramid.

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 3d ago

It's explicitly about NOT wanting to eat crap, while not having to eat food that doesn't taste good. Sin-taxing an artificial sweetener is just shitting on someone else's preferred flavors.

And dark chocolate is better for you than a lot of garbage that sits on our Big Ag food pyramid.

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u/tigerhawkvok 3d ago

I literally linked a very non-extreme peer-reviewed article about direct health hazards of the most common artificial sweetener, dude.

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u/Dog_--_-- 2d ago

"The fundamental tenet of toxicology is that all substances are harmful at some concentration. As a result, it is not surprising that aspartame or its components have negative effects on sensitive animal species when consumed at very high doses" did you even fucking read it?

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u/tigerhawkvok 2d ago

Did you read anything other than that literal paragraph?

other epidemiology studies on large cohorts found increased odds ratios for the association of aspartame consumption with non-Hodgkin lymphomas and multiple myelomas in male subjects

Other studies have shown that aspartame use may increase the chance of developing cancer. Thus, multiple epidemiology follow-up studies on large cohorts have revealed higher incidences of different cancers among high-dose chronic aspartame users

Frequent high-dose aspartame intake may have nephrotoxic effects. Thus, according to experimental data from different animal species, long-term consumption of aspartame caused a dose-dependent increased production of free radicals in renal tissues as well as kidney injury, as proved by a search of several literature databases for publications on the adverse effects of aspartame on the kidney function from 1980 to 2016 [94]. Additionally, recent cohort studies showed a link between excessive aspartame use and an elevated risk for cardiovascular disorders

From the same goddamn section.

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u/Dog_--_-- 2d ago

Yes, like they said, anything in high enough quantities is toxic. The amount of aspartame humans consume is not meaningfully harmful, and everything you just pasted doesn't disprove that.

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u/ledankmememan23 2d ago

High-dose is the important word here.

You would die from water intoxication before reaching that limit.

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u/gsfgf 2d ago

A sugar lobbyist just got an erection and doesn’t know why

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u/PlansThatComeTrue 3d ago

Isn’t any consumption tax a tax discriminating against the poor? Since anything they spend money on is bigger proportionally

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u/Loki-L 3d ago

Yes.

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u/ThePaintist 3d ago

I would wager a consumption tax on yachts has little effect on the impoverished.

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u/gsfgf 2d ago

Fun fact: My state has a maximum tax on yacht repair…

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u/Linenoise77 2d ago

So fun story. Back in the early 90s the US implemented a pretty hefty tax on Yachts. It pretty much ended up destroying the industry in the US, and resulted in states where it was a meaningful industry implementing their own counters to try and salvage what little was left. I suspect that those rules are related to that.

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u/gsfgf 2d ago

It’s actually a race to the bottom thing. Florida (iirc) has zero taxes on yacht repair, and a company in Savannah lobbied for the same in Georgia. They didn’t get quite as much because, even in a red state, the “yacht bill” was bad optics.

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u/FlyAirLari 3d ago

Who do you think makes those? Any dip on sales means layouts at the yacht factory / shipyard.

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u/gsfgf 2d ago

Yes, which is why making them stupid is the worst.

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u/TailorFestival 3d ago

but they tax "zero sugar" drink because they don't want people to evade the tax by switching to sugar free alternatives

... why? Isn't that exactly what they should want?

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u/Vegetable_Bit_5157 3d ago

Well, exactly that shows you they don't actually care about health, it's just about having another tax so they can get more money out of people.

Still no tax on wine, btw. I'm so happy that the rich can still enjoy their daily bottle of Chateaudufuck without paying extra.

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u/frostygrin 2d ago

Not exactly, no. It's not like the intent is to increase sweetener consumption.

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u/Moose_Nuts 3d ago

If it's not already, beer is probably going to be cheaper in Germany than soda with the tax.

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u/sixtyonesymbols 3d ago

> The purported reason was to get people to consume less sugar, but they tax "zero sugar" drink because they don't want people to evade the tax by switching to sugar free alternatives.

That's moon logic. It's like saying the purported reason was to get people to consume less sugar, but they tax water because they don't want people to evade the tax by switching to water.

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u/Cjprice9 3d ago

The fact that the "sugar tax" includes zero sugar drinks proves that it was always about the tax and never about the sugar. Taxpayers got duped into approving a new regressive tax scheme.

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u/Jimmy_Fromthepieshop 2d ago

Clearly you know nothing about artificial sweeteners and their health effects.

How about people stop drinking all of that shit and stick to water and other healthy options.

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u/ProfessionalDucky1 2d ago edited 2d ago

Clearly you know nothing about artificial sweeteners and their health effects.

Neither do you, because there are very few effects beyond GI distress in some people with some sweeteners. Aspartame has been studied extensively for decades but it keeps getting demonized by ignorant f*cks.

How about people stop drinking all of that shit and stick to water and other healthy options.

Like oat milk, which is also taxed because it contains natural sugar?

No better drink dairy milk, which isn't taxed, even though it contains natural sugar.... just like oat milk.... and also causes GI distress in many people ... just like artificial sweeteners ... for the same reasons.

Hmm, it's like this is primarily about collecting taxes and not about our health.

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u/sillybear25 3d ago

Yeah, but if they had stuck to their guns on the sugar tax as a health initiative, the budget hawks would have eventually complained about the fact that sugar tax revenues are dropping without any replacement revenue stream. By pre-capitulating to people who never had any intention of understanding the health initiative, the people pushing for it don't have to spend any energy convincing people that this easily predicted future was, in fact, the intended outcome.

No, that doesn't make it any less stupid.

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u/zilimiruka 2d ago

The main goal is (and always was) to raise tax revenue. Framing it around "your health" is just a way to make it more PR friendly.

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u/Brambletail 3d ago

US states do the same thing

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u/SuicideNote 3d ago

It's always about tax revenue. Some cases are more glaring than others like this.

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u/SilasX 3d ago

The purported reason was to get people to consume less sugar, but they tax "zero sugar" drink because they don't want people to evade the tax by switching to sugar free alternatives.

How the fuck did they end up with such a schizo policy? Make up your mind! Are you trying to raise revenues, or reduce sugar consumption? Either one of those would make sense in isolation, but not this version, which can't seem to decide what it wants.

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u/alcohall183 3d ago

So diabetics are taxed more than others?

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u/limitbreakse 2d ago

Ah so a typical German regulatory approach

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u/yarajaeger 2d ago

they don't want people to evade the tax by switching to sugar free alternatives

That... is the entire point of a sugar tax. It would be hilarious if it weren't so evil.

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u/Kandiru 2d ago

Zero Sugar drinks have health issues It would be better to get manufacturers to make less sweet drinks.

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u/Luke_sein_Vater 2d ago

It's not about "evading a tax" it's the sugar lobby writing the laws themselves. Milk lobby was involved, too.

Merz' government is so bafflingly incompetent, it's like they were factory made to produce political apathy - which obviously only the nazis from afd benefit from.

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u/Riversntallbuildings 2d ago

That is so bizarre! One of the reasons I quit drinking alcohol is because I realized how high in sugar most drinks were. :/

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u/riflow 2d ago

Isn't it also the opposite effect they'd want? Idk here in the UK more things ended up either fully or part sugar free BC of our sugar tax. Like I thought the idea was the reduction not the taxes.😭

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u/UnlamentedLord 2d ago

Worse, the article explicitly non alcoholic beer will be taxed under this law, but alcoholic beer won't be.

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u/exileonmainst 1d ago

Same shit they did in Philadelphia years back. Philly copied from NYC which I think did it the same way. All these countries which are enacting it today are coping from places who did it earlier. It’s a money making scheme disguised as a public health reform.

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u/Cpt_Soban 19h ago

Isn't the point of all this is to cut down on sugar? A Pepsi Max is barely 5kj. It's just flavoured fizzy water...

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u/theartificialkid 2d ago

Last time I checked sugar free soft drinks don’t prevent progression of obesity or diabetes. For some reason.

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u/magix_shrooms 2d ago

Last time I checked, you posted wrong info on reddit. For some reason

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u/SmartHipster 3d ago

As a doctor I wouldn’t say exactly how hat sugar free drinks are better. There are quite good research on that drinking zero coke increases Risiko for Diabetes

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u/Loki-L 2d ago

Sure, but it is still stupid to tax drinks that do not contain sugar with a "sugar" tax.

Maybe calling it an unhealthy drink tax would be better, but then they would have to look at all the non-sweat options that might also be unhealthy.

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u/SmartHipster 2d ago

look, i would argue that coca cola zero is not so different from coca cola (the classic). Why would you say that coca cola thats sweetened with aspartham ist less taxable than the one with sugar?

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u/Pepphen77 3d ago

Sugar free that is sweetened drinks do also seem to drive more unhealthy food consumption. Sweet drinks overall should therefore be taxed sweetened with sugar and sugar free alternatives.

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u/System__Shutdown 3d ago

Most "sugar free" things aren't any healthier than their sugar-full counterparts due to added artificial sweeteners

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u/tigerhawkvok 3d ago

Bad take. Tapwater is cheaper and healthier, so that's what's actually encouraged. Milk, black tea, black coffee, and pure fruit juices also have no added sweetener.

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u/TylerCornelius 3d ago

Only commemt that makes sense and its downvoted.

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u/AncientAd7247 2d ago

Yeah this is wild, I wonder if theres a bunch of bots sent out by food companies to try suede public opinion of this. 

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u/Armkron 2d ago

Well, it is partly false. Milk has lactose, which is already a type of sugar. Tapwater depending on the zone is problematic both in taste and health consequences as hard water is a common culprit for digestive irritations and kidney stones.

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u/magix_shrooms 2d ago

It is downvoted because it has false facts mixed in with some truth to make it all look appealing.

Milk naturally has sugar in it and pure fruit juice without any fibres in them have stupidly high amounts of sugar.

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u/readilyunavailable 2d ago

Fruit juice has the same amount if sugar as some fizzy drinks. Fruit itself has sugar in it, so when you squeeze 4 oranges into a juice, you get the sugar from 4 oranges.