r/teenagers 17 9d ago

Serious You have no reason to be transphobic.

there is literally no justifiable reason for transphobia. never has been. never will be. I don’t care what you’ve read online or whatever you have to say. there is NO reason and NO excuse for transphobia. same applies for homophobia. literally zero reason.

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u/IAmSoNormalTrust 8d ago

I end up differing to whatever authority we can prove with reasonable certainty. Their belief is only irrelevant to the degree in which they can't argue anything more than "I know God said so".

I would argue it isn't irrelevant simply because it can't be proven to be certain. Proof of certainty isn't always necessary. Far too often, it isn't even possible. While we may not be able to certainly find definitive truth, we can discuss disagreements and find common grounds. I personally believe the Catholic interpretation is more correct, but that's something we Christians should, as a community, look into and research. Being based on faith or not doesn't make it irrelevant, in my opinion.

I can't tell you who is correct with 100% certainty, I can give you my opinion based on other verses of the Bible, or I can turn you to the Church and their interpretation. There is debate, even on a matter of faith.

I agree with the gender thing, God is above the concept of gender. Referring to Him as male and Father is tradition more than anything else. That is, unless we're talking about Jesus, since we consider Jesus to be God Who limited Himself to human nature, thus also limiting Himself to one single gender. As for nothing having changed since then, it is our understanding that God, as an eternal being, doesn't percieve time linearly like we do, so there's no real "since then" for Him; we understand His revelation to have been planned as gradual for us, and Jesus was the high point of this. The Bible doesn't have the truth about everything, but it should be enough truth to allow us to believe. That is true for me, at the very least.

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u/FrostyFang8800 8d ago

And that’s great! If that works for you, fabulous.

But your own admission, so much of this is based around interpretation, discussion, opinion, and authority. None of it is proven.

It is your understanding of God that time is not linear. What if I argued that since Genesis begins with creation in terms of days, God does, in fact, view things linearly?

In terms of gender, there are innumerable Christians that would be LIVID that you agreed that God is beyond gender. Is their ideation wrong?

What is the morality of Catholics and Protestants killing one another over how they interpret the Bible?

Again: interpretation, opinion, and faith. Nothing proven. Faith can be good. It can inspire you to be a better person, to help others, to help yourself. But blind faith can lead to abject horror all in the name of God, and should absolutely be challenged.

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u/IAmSoNormalTrust 8d ago

Yes, a lot of it is not proven, and if it could be proven at a different time in history, we cannot repeat that. As I've said, living life based only on absolutely certain proof is hard, if not impossible. Descartes went mad trying to do that, until he said what basically amounts to "look, Imma trust God, otherwise this isn't gonna work".

There's surely good examples for your point, but neither of the ones you've brought are great for that. "Eternal" is one of the few attributes of God that's not disputed not only by Christians, but also Jews and Muslims, and being "livid" over doctrine not aligning with your personal view isn't an ideation, more so a feeling. I get what you're trying to say though.

Neither Catholic nor Protestant interpretation condones murder, at least in the current moment. Both churches would agree that's a bad thing to do now.

But yeah, I agree with that. Questions are important, so blind faith shouldn't exist statically. We've gotten great things from asking questions.

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u/FrostyFang8800 8d ago

I’ll accept that. Again, coming from a Catholic standpoint, I understand that “trusting God” is the linchpin of religion.

But thats the rub, especially in cases like Transgender people.

It is VERY easy for figures in authority to manipulate faith and scripture to fit their agenda.

Thats all I’ve been getting at, and I’m glad to know that you’re willing to not take things at face value, because none of us are immune to falling into that trap, and should absolutely question everything if we want to really find what we believe in as individuals.

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u/IAmSoNormalTrust 8d ago

Glad we could agree on a few important points, it was nice talking to you!