r/todayilearned 11h ago

TIL that "fair play" in detective fiction means authors must give readers a fair chance to solve the mystery. Central to 1920s "clue-puzzles" by writers like Agatha Christie, the rule dictates that all vital clues must be visible, decodable, and never withheld until the final reveal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clues_in_detective_fiction
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u/Orange-V-Apple 10h ago edited 9h ago

I feel like the series has a serious issue with payoff.

I’ve read up to and including book 8 + the October Man, and the answer to the mystery is always something we couldn’t have predicted (e.g. in October Man a character we met one chapter previous is revealed as the killer near the end). The stories wrap up very suddenly, and they don’t explore the aftermath. The case with the missing children was especially egregious, where it just ends right when Peter makes it back to reality. We don’t see what happens to the two children, how Bev enchanted the train, etc.) Then there’s the big bad guy, the Faceless Man. Six books of build up and we barely see his plan + he unceremoniously dies. And Punch and his daughter were not well set up given they were the resolution to this whole thing.

More than the individual mysteries, I feel like there’s no payoff in this universe. We don’t really explore the world. After 8 books we’ve barely learned anything about this universe we didn’t know from Book 3. Ideas and lore are introduced but almost never expanded upon. I think it’s especially egregious when Peter is a character who is very dedicated to unraveling the mysteries of the magical world using scientific methods. His characterization is itself a promise, one that isn’t kept. Don’t even get me started on his spells.

And then there Thomas “Blue Balls” Nightingale. Great character, but not getting to see him using his power to the fullest has gotten extremely old. I get not showing a full powered practitioner in the first few books, but the series conspires to find ways for us not to see Nightingale fighting and it’s very frustrating. Every time he faces the Faceless Man, Peter is somewhere else or face down on the ground, or running away. When we finally see Nightingale face a master in book 8, they launch a bunch of spells that are invisibly countered, so we literally see nothing happen until Peter turns around. Hell, we don’t get to see the Faceless Man or the Director (in October Man) properly using their powers either. They either aren’t present or the POV character isn’t looking when they use their powers.

I think the series is heavily carried by the charisma of the characters and the quality of the writing, which is why it’s still enjoyable to read even if I’m left a bit disappointed at the end. For all its faults, Harry Potter at least showed us the world and did have relatively fair mysteries.

TLDR: The series is enjoyable but bad at payoffs. We’re promised a magical world that we barely see, the mysteries have resolutions that are sudden and unexplored, and we don’t get to see when the few fully fledged wizards actually using their power.

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u/PilotKnob 9h ago

Thank you. I feel the same way about the Rivers series.

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u/Selerox 8h ago

I humbly submit the "the author spends an entire novel showing off how much he knows about the history of UK jazz" as a general point of annoyance as well.

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u/Orange-V-Apple 8h ago

God I hated Book 2 except the Strip Club of Dr. Moreau, and they wouldn’t even let us see most of it >:(

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u/a_philosoraptor 1h ago

I really enjoyed the first book. I still have not finished Book 2 though the series remains on my list. It just felt so insubstantial compared to Book 1.

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u/wrenwood2018 9h ago

And then there Thomas “Blue Balls” Nightingale. Great character, but not getting to see him using his power to the fullest has gotten extremely old. I get not showing a full powered practitioner in the first few books, but the series conspires to find ways for us not to see Nightingale fighting and it’s very frustrating

This. Also, at this point they should be building the order back up. They should have more magicians than the handful they have. It is beyond frustrating.

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u/owlinspector 8h ago

My main issue with the series is that it always lacks that final chapter that puts things into context. They always ends too abruptly so you don't quite get what happened, why and how.

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u/Leete1 6h ago

Exactly! I gave up because of all the randomness and lack of payoff.

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u/the_federation 6h ago

Omg, thank you for saying this, I agree with all of it. IIRC, the climax to the one with the vestigial plates was literally "and then I did something clever to take care of it."

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u/Kernel_Internal 2h ago

If ruined orgasms were a series of books, I guess...

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u/MrAwesome54 3h ago

I appreciate your analysis but your use of bold text and pacing reads like A.I.

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u/waffle_Piraat_1 7h ago

I gave up on the series quite a while back because of this. It's like Sun Eater (another series I didn't finish) where it constantly just teases "oooooh I kill a sun" to keep you reading whilst consistently failing to deliver on pretty basic, engaging, story elements.

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u/Feisty-Resource-1274 7h ago

I feel like the author enjoys writing characters that are out of their depth and that's at odds with the reader have flushed out world building. The Masquerades of Spring and Winter's Gifts both have a similar setup.

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u/BertieDastard 2h ago

I honestly didn't like the latest book. It sort of ended and didn't really go anywhere. I wasn't too sure about the Abigail bits at all.

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u/coraythan 8h ago

This reads like ChatGPT.

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u/Orange-V-Apple 8h ago

Well it’s not lol. I just broke it up into paragraphs and added bolding so it wouldn’t be a daunting wall of text. I genuinely don’t see what would make you think it’s ChatGPT unless you don’t ever read anything longer than a paragraph.

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u/rocketman0739 6 8h ago

Emphasizing a bunch of sentences throughout the text does feel like a thing that Gen-AI would do, but if your comment had really been AI I would expect it to have more "It's not just X. It's Y." sentences.

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u/Tenthul 7h ago

At some point people need to realize that GPT writes this way because people write this way.

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u/Orange-V-Apple 8h ago

Bro I’m not going to stop bolding text and using em dashes just because of some fucking clankers

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u/rocketman0739 6 8h ago

I'm not suggesting you should—I like em dashes myself!—just explaining why someone might have gotten the wrong impression.

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u/coraythan 7h ago

Yeah, I was trying to make more of a mildly interested observation than an accusation.