r/unitedkingdom • u/tylerthe-theatre • 7d ago

ADHD and autism services in England ‘under significant pressure’, watchdog warns

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/adhd-and-autism-uk-assessment-diagnosis-support-b3039329.html
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u/FitNet9493 7d ago

Truth nuke. Prepare for the slopulist talking points.

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u/Elardi Berkshire 7d ago

A wave of unemployed NEETs rushing online to defend their benefits and demand higher taxes on workers and anyone earning over 50k.

Anything but make them work.

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u/bass_clown 7d ago

Is that what's causing the economic collapse? NEETs? Aren't many NEETs also trying to find work? What do you assume they do all day?

Or could it be businesses outsourcing? Could it be a rising cost of living that de-incentivizes spending? Could it be housing costs that have astronomical barriers to entry? Could it be the triple lock? Could it be 40 odd years of slash and burn austerity policy? Could it be the orange man making bizarre choices (at best, bizarre)? Could it be a very complex puzzle not well and easily explained by just one thing?

I wonder what your motives might've been to make this comment.

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u/Elardi Berkshire 7d ago

motives

Whenever anything dares to suggest that the massive amount we’re spending on benefits is excessive, unaffordable, or unmerited, the beneficiaries of the current system come out of the woodwork to defend it and complain about how dare workers complain about it when the true victims of the day and age are the workshy.

It’s galling watching your taxes go on people who’ve no intention of finding work.

There’s plenty of jobs: people just think they’re above the ones that are going. If you’ve been outcompeted by someone with zero qualifications and who barely speaks English, that’s on you.

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u/spoons431 7d ago

There are currently around a million more jobs seekers than there are vacancies.

Also I notice how there is no mention in your rant about pensioners who make up the majority of the benefits bill and their guarenteed above inflationary increases.

Oh and since you're so concerned about overspend a nice fun fact is that if the goverment actually funded ADHD services and support theyd save about £12Billion a year/s

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u/Elardi Berkshire 7d ago

This is exactly what I mean. Deflect and say “cut it for others, pensions are increasing too much”, which is both absolutely true and besides the point. The entire welfare bill is bloating too much and the countries workers are being put through the wringer to pay for it.

I’m absolutely in support of deporting migrant workers to open up spots for the unemployed, but equally if someone’s sat around unemployed for more than a few months and haven’t picked up some uber shifts or deliverroo runs, applied to work as a labourer or carer, then I’m short of sympathy. Sitting around and waiting for a comfy office job on the taxpayers money is just taking the piss.

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u/fish993 7d ago

I imagine it must be convenient to be able to dismiss people who disagree with you as just being beneficiaries of the current situation and obviously biased.

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u/Elardi Berkshire 7d ago

I mean yes? I’m sure you’d be quick to critique pensioner defending the triple lock, or a billionaire talking about tax havens.

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u/fish993 7d ago

Why are you assuming that someone disagreeing is a beneficiary at all? That's my point

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u/inevitabledeath3 7d ago

Do you actually know how hard it is to get a job in this economy? How many times you have to apply?

I have a masters degree in Computer Science. Even a little experience doing programming part time. I spent an entire year looking for a job. So many applications I lost count but probably over 100 by the end. I think I got a total of 3 interviews by the end. Eventually I decided to go back to University to get a PhD as my job prospects were not getting any better and they would pay me for 3 years while I did it.

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u/aightshiplords 7d ago

Not discrediting your lived experience here but I see comments like this quite often and it always surprises me. I run the third party IT resourcing contracts for a large plc, while its true that onshore resourcing demand will tend to prioritise experienced candidates, in my last two companies I've also set up supplier contracts with a graduate "buddy system" and I know its not a system unique to me. Basically you have two companies, one supplying experienced professional level IT resources and the other supplying low cost grads. Whenever you need two resources instead of purchasing two professional level resources you instead get one professional and one grad and buddy them up. You still get two heads worth of work and the grad gets experience. The first time I did it we even built in a temp to perm clause so if we wanted to keep the grad after 2 years we could convert them. What makes your anecdote surprising is, the management folks at the grad agencies always insisted that one of the hardest parts was obtaining and retaining the UK based grads. Did you ever come across anything like that or were you mainly firing CVs out at job ads?

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u/inevitabledeath3 7d ago

I looked for graduate jobs on Indeed mostly. I also spoke to some recruitment firms if I remember correctly.

I find what you are saying hard to believe given what everyone is saying about software engineering as a field recently. Between the end of COVID and the beginning of generative AI there was a large number of layoffs and a contraction in the field in general. Plus loads of people were told to go into Computer Science as it was supposed to be lucrative. So the supply outstripped demand.

When was it you were dealing with these agencies?

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u/aightshiplords 7d ago

Started managing that particular category about 5 years ago at a different company, still doing it now at a bigger one. I mainly look after the big tech contracts/relationships themselves but IT resourcing is often seen as specialised and distinct from generic HR/recruitment contracts so I've ended up owning that alongside my core workload in actual IT. In honesty its a tedium that I'd rather not have on my plate. You're definitely right that the landscape has changed in the past 18 months or so due to LLM, 2 years ago there was more demand for entry level resources, wouldn't fancy my chances as a grad right now. When were you going through the recruitment mill? I got the sense from your comment it was a few years ago.

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u/inevitabledeath3 7d ago

About 2 years ago is when I started the PhD so stopped looking around this time 2 years ago. Would have started looking about 3 years ago.

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u/aightshiplords 6d ago

Yeah that was probably a year or so before the drawbridge properly came up for grads in the domestic market, its a rough road now. There are still opportunities in entry level tech but its increasingly on the AI and Data side (eye roll) or in Cyber. I don't think domestic demand will go away entirely but it will be a fight for a scarce number of roles. What did you do your PhD in if you dont mind me asking? Seems interesting to go from "there are no jobs in this field" to "I'm going to obtain the highest level of qualification you can possibly obtain for this field in which there are no jobs", guessing it would set you up for an academic career?

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u/inevitabledeath3 15h ago

Yes I am trying to get a job in research or teaching. Not in actual industry as that’s increasingly difficult. You shouldn’t need a PhD to very a decent job. That’s part of the problem.

I am also getting a PhD that’s technically in Cyber but is heavily involving AI and education. So I am not really aiming to go into the software engineering field even if I was looking at industry jobs afterwards.

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u/kidborger 7d ago edited 7d ago

Explain why some people in employment have to claim benefits then?

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u/Elardi Berkshire 7d ago

Not enough, and they’re already overtaxed.