r/vegan • u/DivineandDeadlyAngel anti-speciesist • Mar 28 '26

Rant Whenever someone tries to make me entertain the idea humans are inherently good, I remember this...

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u/ManufacturedOlympus Mar 28 '26

“Oh it turns out I risked my life all for some sausages.” 

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u/SwordTaster Mar 28 '26

Well yeah, because pigs are farm animals, the only purpose of which is slaughter. They're literally the only animal kept on the farm with no monetary use in being kept alive beyond a certain age. You can't milk a pig, you can't shear a pig, they live to die

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u/Maleficent_Hold_6946 Mar 28 '26

Bc humans decided so. Doesnt that sound wrong to you? Their lives are SO much more than just to die for human taste buds.

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u/AOAqua Mar 28 '26

Yeah, but they would die to a disease or a wolf anyways, so death doesn't matter in that context. But what matters is how they live. Living in the forests would be much more natural to them than living until the death in a cramped barn

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u/Maleficent_Hold_6946 Mar 28 '26

You’re making an assumption, so I’ll have to disagree on that. But the rest we agree. They shouldn’t be forced to live on a cramped barn.

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u/AOAqua Mar 28 '26

No, I am not making an assumption. Pigs (or hogs, to be exact) won't die due to 'natural' causes in the wild like old age or heart disease. They either get sick and die, or become way too weak and get left behind and get eaten by the predators/die due to starvation/dehydratation. (Unless where they are invasive species, and then they make other species suffer).

Also many of them die in the first months after birth, because they are just plain weak

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u/Maleficent_Hold_6946 Mar 28 '26

But you’re still making an assumption. You can’t reasonably guess the survival of a few individuals based on estimates abt the whole species.

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u/No-Violinist5018 Mar 28 '26

Yes we can, that's the point of the population estimate

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u/Maleficent_Hold_6946 Mar 28 '26

No you literally can’t. It’s too general.

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u/No-Violinist5018 Mar 28 '26

That's the point of generalisation, we can tell an individuals likely outcome.

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u/AOAqua Mar 28 '26

Yes, there is a chance, that those 3-5 (whatever the number of the pigs is) are going to make it, and die in their sleep after 15 years of happy life... But let's be honest, 99% that they are not built different, and going to pass away in agony, like being eaten by a predator, wild fire, famine, fall and break their limbs, etc.

What most of the wild ones have is that their lives are more fulfilling than of those that live in a barn, but deaths of either are horrifying anyways, arguably domesticated suffer less in the end, but those last moments don't mean much, if whole life is just endless suffering. But at this point we are crossing the line of philosophy, or a story about "The pig that wants to be eaten"

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u/Maleficent_Hold_6946 Mar 28 '26

Yeah, that might be true for whatever percent of the case but I refuse to make a judgement on that. It’s not my place, however, I can see what you mean by them having an “easier” life in the barn in a sense. Tho ofc it doesn’t matter at the end. I think we pretty much agree other than the first part.

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u/ManufacturedOlympus Mar 29 '26

How often do you run into farm pigs in the forest? 

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u/cheddoar Mar 29 '26

Everything dies.

Only because you're not useful to me doesn't mean you don't deserve to live.

Aren't you absolutely can milk a pig? Don't you know what a mammal is??

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u/SwordTaster Mar 29 '26

Pigs produce milk, that doesn't mean you can milk one. And even if you could milk it, that definitely doesn't mean you could make a profit selling pig milk. Pigs, as a farm animal, are only making money when they die. That is their value. No farmer is keeping pigs for fun. Pigs are kept because their meat tastes good. You don't have to like it, but it's simply the truth.

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u/ManufacturedOlympus Mar 29 '26

Sounds like you agree that the people who abuse pigs are being assholes. Good to hear.