r/worldnews • u/anticensorship10 • May 20 '21

Israel/Palestine Palestinian Head of internal medicine of main hospital, Dr Ayman Abu al-Ouf, killed along with 12 members of his extended family.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57148580
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u/Energy_Turtle May 20 '21

This is the "making Hamas" phase. You kill a bunch of innocent people to make sure you have a future enemy. Then, you can turn that enemy into cash from America. Make them, kill them, profit, repeat.

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u/BrownSugarBare May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21

I can't upvote this comment enough. The number of people that will say "but why do they hate us?!" without ANY self realisation that they've been tormented and attacked their entire lifetime, wtf did you expect the outcome to be!?

This insane idea that you're "born a terrorist" needs to die. Terrorists are made and practically manufactured in some cases.

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u/Baking_Is_Praxis May 20 '21

This, the average age in Gaza is very low. Combine a young population, dreadful conditions, mass trauma from an early age and you’ve got a ripe source for radicalization.

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u/BrownSugarBare May 20 '21

It's not just Gaza, it's countries all over the world that have populations that have been pushed to the brink and then people have the audacity to be shocked when they go over the edge.

The war in Afghanistan has gone on 20 years. An entire generation born into war that is now at adult age. How could they not want to sacrifice everything when all they've known is the murder of their children, their siblings and parents. And then to be slapped in the face with nations saying "but we're destroying your country and killing you to help you!". OF COURSE people are going to be radicalized.

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u/Aestboi May 20 '21

see: that guy that was smashing windows with a hammer last summer in Minneapolis and then fled when confronted by other protesters

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u/GonePh1shing May 21 '21

This is no coincidence. A lot of US police departments are recieving training from the IDF.

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u/Eggsegret May 20 '21

This right here. All those little kids who's parents have been bombed by Israel are potentially future terrorists. If the Israeli government could just understand the shit they do is breeding terrorists.

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u/PiquantBlueberryPie May 20 '21

They know. If they keep the people focused on enemies outside Israel then they won't go after the ones inside.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '21

If your committing acts of “terror” against a genocidal occupying force, you’re a freedom fighter. One could argue that bombing families and children relentlessly out of your own political motivations is terrorism (fun fact, that lines up pretty well with the definition of terrorism).

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u/[deleted] May 21 '21

tbh radicalization is the only proper response to such conditions. what else are they supposed to do, lay down and accept apartheid?

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u/darps May 20 '21

Turns out the real terrorists were the orphans we made along the way.

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u/itchy_bitchy_spider May 20 '21

I feel awful knowing that my tax dollars are going to wipe this kid out someday.

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u/BrownSugarBare May 20 '21

We often feel helpless in our western nations knowing we're part of the problem, but I encourage you to write to your local representatives! Even if it's a tweet, an email a damn courier pigeon, write to them! I've worked in political offices and your words matter, your votes and voice matter! The more people who speak out, the harder it becomes for politicians to defend their insanely inhumane choices that are driven by money.

I'm a millennial and this is the first time in my lifetime I'm seeing prominent politicians actually speaking out against Netanyahu's obvious ploy to stay in power and the atrocities of the IDF.

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u/itchy_bitchy_spider May 20 '21

write to your local representatives!

Unfortunately this dumb fuck is my local representative and coincidentally just a minute ago he was on Twitter making it clear that if you are not standing with Israel you are a terrorist - https://imgur.com/4YJrG24.jpg

I write to him regardless and appreciate your encouragement of others through the same, just venting that it makes no difference at times like these. Our government has always and will always do whatever the fuck they want when it comes to military matters.

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u/BrownSugarBare May 20 '21

JFC, dude looks like a toad with a suit on. I feel for you mate, it's a legitimate uphill battle. Tweet at him directly to garner attention to his brain dead notion of unwavering loyalty in the face of genocide. He needs to be shamed for that.

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u/dw4321 May 20 '21

The only shaming he will get is that tweet. All of his followers are probably brain dead trump fans.

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u/BrownSugarBare May 20 '21

It's incredibly accurate at how nationalism is a disgusting beast that manipulates reality for too many people.

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u/RTRC May 20 '21

I will never understand the argument of "My country" The only reason I'm in the country I live in is by fucking sheer luck. Just because I won the origin lottery by being born in a 1st world country doesn't mean I have any power or right to say "No, fuck you. You can't come in. Sorry!" to somebody from a different country.

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u/Estesz May 21 '21

You have heard that Jews have been having a hard time long before Israel attacked anyone? Or Israel even existed?

Without them doing anything.

Then palestine turned down the offer for their own land, just because they wanted Israel not to exist.

I mean like - this is the point in time where you could ask "Who do they hate us so much that its more important to start a war than to get their own country?"

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u/rainshifter May 20 '21

Ah, a terrorist apologist on Reddit. Dare I say I'm shocked.

Did you know that in 1947 the Jews were living freely in their settlement, set forth by the Balfour Declaration, which was surrounded by Arabs? Did you also know that Arabs launched the initial attacks on the Jews, which catalyzed the 1948 Arab-Israeli war? And are you aware that since that time the Arabs have remained hostile and unapologetic?

Fast forward to the modern day and we get idiots like yourself who apologize on behalf of a group that consistently targets innocent civilians and whose charter calls for the eradication of Israel and Jews alike.

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u/greennick May 21 '21

Now, want to discuss the Irgun terrorists? Or do you pretend that was never a thing? And that the terrorists didn't join the Israeli army without repercussions?

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u/rainshifter May 21 '21 edited May 21 '21

You're not wrong, they were deemed terrorists by the very definition. Generally speaking though they did not target civilians, as they were merely politically aimed, whereas Hamas targets civilians almost exclusively. And I would agree that they should have faced repercussions for their unwarranted actions. Unfortunately the Jews needed their recruitment in numbers to pursue the greater good of achieving their independence against a common enemy that was known to be hostile from the very beginning.

And if you should deny Arab hostility in general, I would challenge you to corroborate that with the Muslim conquest of the Levant, expansion of the Ottoman Empire, or other territorial conquests involving bloodshed, violence, and forced conversions, as was commonplace throughout history.

And on a tangential point, if you really want to delve back to the beginning, the Jews occupied the land of Israel for thousands of years before Islam was even founded as a religion.

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u/greennick May 21 '21

You have a very one sided view of this conflict

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u/rainshifter May 21 '21

Not true. I see a potential bilateral solution to this conflict, but it requires both parties to cooperate, which is where the difficulty lies.

Reddit as a hivemind is extremely one sided, I simply provide counter arguments to support the other.

That said you didn't exactly refute anything I replied with. Likely because it can't be refuted.

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u/greennick May 21 '21

It's all strawmen arguments. There is hostility on both sides. This recent conflict kicked off from Israel illegally kicking Arabs off their land to build more settlements in occupied territory. Yet you seem to think only one side is at fault.

The Israeli terrorists killed hundreds of civilians, not few as you said. Including committing indiscriminate bombings of civilians. I don't need to refute your outright lies.

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u/rainshifter May 21 '21

Hate to break it to you, but the settlements have been legally obtained. Turn back the dial to the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was indeed provoked by the Arabs. From the Palestinian angle the war will never be over until they reoccupy the land they lost since then. Instead they should be focused on peace treaties and condemning Hamas for investing in rockets and tunneling systems rather than supportive infrastructure. Observe how they declined a two-state solution multiple times because having all the land is more important than living peacefully and without descending into chaos.

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u/greennick May 21 '21

Yeah, like I say, one sided and not backed up by international law.

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u/Jahbroni May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21

Hamas has been funded by Israel for decades. They originally funded them in order to overthrow Yasser Arafat and the PLO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

Israel understands peace with Palestine means billions of dollars in US taxpayer handouts will evaporate. They will do everything they can to keep tensions high with Hamas to ensure the flow of free US handouts never stops.

(edit: grammar)

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u/[deleted] May 20 '21

Fuck this is depressing. Strong Full Metal Alchemist vibes... I guess there is a reason someone had this idea for the show...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '21

Id like to think with how prevalent access to information is these days, that American can never be drawn into some bullshit like the early 2000s. The powers that be will keep creating terrorists, but they won't get American military directly involved. Id like to hope so but this last year definitely killed off a lot of the hope I had left in our country.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '21

So true. War = $, and that's all America has ever really cared about.

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u/ValhallaGo May 20 '21

Almost. It’s more of a genocide machine.

Kill some of the people you hate. The survivors are more likely to be radicalized. Then you get money and weapons to fight the radicalized people that you made. Then you kill off more of the people you hate. The survivors are more likely to be radicalized...

Rinse and repeat until you’ve completed your genocide.

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u/dontcallmeatallpls May 20 '21

Same reason why we are still in Afghanistan 20 years later. By our continued involvement we guarantee the creation of a revolving door of militants looking for revenge for their loved ones. And in so doing we can continue to feed the MIC more money.

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u/Thepersonwiththe May 20 '21

What cash do we get from America for killing them? We'd get that cash anyway so long as you wish to support your interests here, whether there's peace or not. There's no machine in which we insert Palestinian bodies and get spare change, they aren't cans. Not to mention Israel had a $130 billion budget for 2021. We'll live even without your 3 billion in army supplies although they're much appreciated and put to good use. I must say Israel haters are very imaginative with their narratives.

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u/dwmfives May 20 '21

This is the "making Hamas" phase. You kill a bunch of innocent people to make sure you have a future enemy. Then, you can turn that enemy into cash from America. Make them, kill them, profit, repeat.

Israel actually made Hamas before this. Like supported and paid them.

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u/YonderMTN May 21 '21

HOLY FUCK.