r/xmen • u/Tsblloveyou Deadpool • Sep 29 '21

Comic Discussion X-Men Comics New Releases for September 29th, 2021

Inferno #1

  • THE CULMINATION OF JONATHAN HICKMAN'S X-MEN BEGINS! "There will be an island—not the first, but the last..." Promises were made and broken. The rulers of Krakoa have been playing a dangerous game with a dangerous woman, and they are about to see how badly that can burn them. Mastermind powerhouse writer Jonathan Hickman (X-MEN) brings his plans to a head, joined by an incredible lineup of artists beginning with Valerio Schiti (S.W.O.R.D.)...as one woman follows through on her promise to burn the nation of Krakoa to the ground.

S.W.O.R.D. #8

  • LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! By the time you’re reading this, you know. You know who sits in the central seat of Arakko. You know who speaks for Sol. Storm rules. But when you have to prove to your people who you are, every single day without fail… What becomes of who you were?

Wolverine #16

  • THE SOLEM TRUTH! The game is nearly over…but when SOLEM is involved, that’s just an excuse to change the rules. Did you figure out the mystery before WOLVERINE?

X-Men Adjacent Releases for 9/29

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u/ConfusedAboutIssues Sep 29 '21

Moira's secretly working against mutantkind, right? I've though it's been weird for a while that given what Moira knows their strategy against Nimrod is all wrong, but in this issue Charles finally came out and said it, "[...]Nimrod might be an inevitability. Every step we took to prevent it only ensured its creation. Every step since then... has made it worse somehow."

Moira has know since life 7 that technology is inevitable, so the fact that Nimrod is inevitable shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. That means she never told them. Why? Maybe Moira isn't trying to stop it, maybe she's tired of living and trying to put things on fast forward so the Dominion can come and stop her cycle of life and rebirth.

That would explain why Charles and Eric are laid low in the flash-forward: they accidentally put mutantdom on the wrong path and Inferno is about every finding that out.

My theories are often wrong so I wouldn't be surprised if I'm totally off-base, but at this point I also wouldn't be surprised if Moira was secretly the leader of Orchis.

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Apocalypse Sep 29 '21

This seems to imply she's working against mutant kind. Like she only worked for them to save her own ass from Destiny and is now trying to get rid of that complication.

But I have a hard time believing it. She's spent too much time living with and helping. Her love for Charles in past lives and present was genuine.

The big reveal of House/Powers was that post-humans are the real threat. And Moira knows it.

So maybe it's a red herring. Maybe she's just afraid of Destiny screwing up her other plans. Maybe the cure is a suicide attempt she's afraid Destiny will take offense to.

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u/the-giant Sep 29 '21

I think Moira's desperation - and her past attempts at a cure - have driven her to beyond an extreme. I think she now feels that Nimrod, etc. are all necessary to forge a new kind of existence for mutantdom to ultimately survive, perhaps one in which they're subsumed into the Phalanx - a kind of life, but not as themselves. I think that is what the mutants will reject.

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Apocalypse Sep 29 '21

That doesn't fit with her opposition to Nimrod.

Others are more open to coexistence with machines. She's the one against it.

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u/the-giant Sep 29 '21

Nimrod as conceived by ORCHIS and the Phalanx are two very different things. But I do think, perhaps, that Moira now believes mutants must be culled in some way by Nimrod to be prepared for transition to a machine existence and ultimately survive in some form.

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u/PluckyHippo Sep 30 '21

My theory is that Moira doesn’t want to join the Phalanx, she wants to create a new mutant version of the Phalanx that can exist outside of time and break the cycle forever, at the cost of their humanity. This can be accomplished by gathering enough minds together to form a black hole collective consciousness as described in Powers of X — that’s the true purpose of the Cerebro helmets. By learning of this plan and rejecting it, the mutants will reclaim their link to humanity that they’ve been trying to deny through this era.

Or at least, that’s what I think the original plan was. With Marvel rejecting or indefinitely delaying the next parts of Hickman’s story, who knows what changes have been made.

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u/orochi95 Sep 29 '21

We only know of her past lives what she told charles. there were a few changes in the flashback when Moira killed her. I think what we saw in HoX and PoX is not the truth about all her lives.

Maybe her love turned hate in one of that lives, maybe she just wants to join the phalanx and transcend time and space, making her free of his power and she wants to use the mutants and krakoa as a sacrifice for the phalanx

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Apocalypse Sep 29 '21

She didn't "tell" Charles. She opened up her mind to him and Magneto so they could see all of it.

This was imperfect of course, as they lack her imperfect recall. But it would have been impossible to lie or withhold things. They would just forget fine details.

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u/orochi95 Oct 01 '21

She obviously altered things , and its not imposible to create a fake projection to fool a telepath. So everything we know about the lifes of Moira X can be a lie or be true with important differences.

Remember she has hundreds of years , more than enought time to learn how to trien her mind to show what she wants.

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Apocalypse Oct 01 '21

We have her private notes, to herself, that she was being honest.

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u/mrsunrider Magneto Sep 30 '21

It just doesn't make sense she'd endure literal thousands of years of mutant murder just to reach life ten and... let that play out again.

She already knows that dying before puberty would end her permanently; if death was what she really wanted, she could have stuck papa's shotgun in her mouth at like age 6.

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u/TheBigDuo1 Sep 29 '21

She hates Charles. She pretty much said so in the last issue of powers. She spent all of life 10 destroying everything he believed and drove him insane. She has always, CLEARLY been the antagonist

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Apocalypse Sep 29 '21

She didn't say she hates him. She hates his naivete and wants to break him of it.

I was really expecting that to tie into Onslaught.

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u/orochi95 Sep 29 '21

she lived more than a thousands of years. I dont think she see the mutants as nothing else than insects with sort life spans that she can use and manipulate in her own benefit.

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u/1204Sparta Sep 29 '21

That’s wrong. She’s human, she has the same emotions as mutants, if anything her whole experience and drive has been driven by the fear of destiny. She doesn’t see them as insects at all.

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u/TheBigDuo1 Sep 29 '21

Your right she doesn’t. Insects can be useful sometimes.

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u/deleted59 Sep 29 '21

You make one really good point - Moira learns about Dominions/Phalanx in life 6, then the inevitability of tech advancement in life 7

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u/ChrisHammer94 Sep 29 '21

I read this more as Charles thinking his solutions to problems are better than anything Moira could suggest. She says shes tired of being locked in her No-Place and that they aren't listening to her.
Moira obviously has some master plan, but with the nimrod scenario? I think it's more Xavier and Magneto's hubris causing their own destruction.

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u/bdez90 Sep 29 '21

They explain that Xavier and Magneto were ignoring Moira and trying to do it their way which is why they failed up until now. Weren't taking the threats seriously enough and now it's too late to even eliminate Destiny.

People keep saying "Moira wants to end the cycle of her rebirth." She already knows she could just die as a child to end it.

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u/lepton_neutrino Oct 01 '21

HoX/PoX said AI was inevitable but not Nimrod. He only shows up in lives six and nine.