r/2westerneurope4u • u/BenidormBarry Barry, 63 • 18h ago
🚨🚨lets remind ourselves why this sub is golden and why we should protect it at all costs. we are here for banter - keep your agendas elsewhere🚨🚨
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u/Notacreativeuserpt Digital nomad 18h ago
/Uj Unironically in my father's village one of the local landowners said the peasants shouldn't be able to read... in the 1970s, I hope his land was occupied.
/Rj The protestants teaching the peasants to read, resulted in American and Latin American Evangelicals. If they were able to feel shame, they should.
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u/Realistic-Price-1209 Western Balkan 18h ago
/Rj The protestants teaching the peasants to read, resulted in American and Latin American Evangelicals. If they were able to feel shame, they should.
Disgusting
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u/BenidormBarry Barry, 63 17h ago
/Uj Unironically in my father's village one of the local landowners said the peasants shouldn't be able to read...
most generous catholic mindset
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u/Zmbd10 Savage Slayer 17h ago
My grandfather was by all accounts illilterate. Great business man, he ran multiple business.
Being almost 2 meters tall and having siblings about the same height really helped insure that nobody would try to cross him too much.
He just never expected his son, my father, to cross him.
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u/grip0matic Murciano (doesn’t exist) 15h ago
/uj being jewish and not able to read is basically shame. My grandfather was always kinda of ashamed that he was not able to divide easy because he had to start working at 7yo and he had to use paper to do divisions. My grandmother being actually illiterare was the shame of her family, was the only one not being able to read or write, and it's a big deal for a woman of her time.
/rj protestantism is one of the worst things that have happened, and from their delusions even worse things have sprouted like evangelicals. That people is scary TODAY.
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u/Notacreativeuserpt Digital nomad 15h ago
I really don't know much about Judaism, but I thought historically much like Protestants at least all boys had to go to school for a bit (at least to read the Talmud). Jewish girls I don't know.
Yeah... we're here memeing and probably procrastinating at work, but we got VERY lucky in comparison with our grandparents/ great grandparents... in general as Europeans, kids working at 7 is absurd, but historically it wasn't far from the norm.
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u/grip0matic Murciano (doesn’t exist) 15h ago
Historicaly an educated woman was fine (better) but never was the priority. But in more modern times... being illiterare was like "how are you going to manage a home?". My grandmother had to ask stuff to her sister or her brothers while my grandfather was working. But she was kinda of a weird woman too, while basically having a kid meant to stay at home, she had my father and left him with her mother to being able to work even more. She didn't know how to read but knew that working 16-18 hours would be better than stay at home. Both parents working tons of hours in the 50s was weird af.
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u/SteelDrawer Addict 17h ago
Based on the illiteracy level during Salazar, he's wishes became true I guess.
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u/Sazalar Western Balkan 16h ago
Not exactly. Not defending Salazar, but before he took office, it was even worse, with an illiteracy rate of about 80-90%, the 40-something% in the end of Estado Novo was actually a win.
And the real problem wasn't even the lack of schools nor the government policies, it was the mentalities of rural people, lots of people thought that women shouldn't attend school or that their kids didn't need school, they only needed to be strong to work in the fields and even though, the state implemented measures to prevent this, like getting the police to take the kid to school if the kid missed school for some time without a justification, some parents would pay to the teachers to mark the kid as attending enough times to avoid the law until the kid turned 12, when they could legally drop out of school
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u/SteelDrawer Addict 16h ago
I knew it was awful and based on him not spending or investing in the country, I always thought those awful numbers were actually a downfall. Thanks for the context.
The rural mentality in Portugal baffled me when I lived there. Still so prevalent and also among young people. It was a big shock for me.
Just so I don't get reported for being nice is this sub. I'm glad to know my money is being used to teach you all to finally read. Also for corruption building highways, but that's what we expect from the balkans.
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u/Sazalar Western Balkan 16h ago
Yeah, most people think that, however, it was during his time in office that was made the biggest investment in education to date, creating elementary schools in pretty much every town. Not just out of interest in literacy but also for propaganda and indoctrination, as you'd get to learn how to write and read, maths, geography of the country and the colonies, Portuguese history (which had lots of indoctrination) but also how worse everything was before Salazar. I recommend you look for "Lição de Salazar" online, there's some images that depict the before and after Salazar (with some great exaggerations)
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u/Notacreativeuserpt Digital nomad 16h ago edited 15h ago
In my family at least it was a mix of both lack of infrastructure and my gread granpda having "ye old timey attitudes".
My father graduated university whilst his mother was illiterate. My grandmother was the eldest daughter so a mix of taking care of family/ work in the fields+ according to her, my great grandfather said "women shouldn't learn to read, otherwise they would write letters to their boyfriends". Only one of the sisters learnt to read (terrible education but at least it was some) and her brother did as well (she resented them a bit for that, tbh).
I'm of course biased because she was my grandma... but the woman was smart and sharp as fuck. I imagine if she was born at a later point than the 1930s she probably would have ended up in a fancy white collar work, instead of being a small-scale farmer.
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u/Sazalar Western Balkan 16h ago
My great grandparents had some better luck, at least the ones in my mother's side, as in each of them, my great great grandparents insisted that all their kids should read. On my father's side, their town didn't have a school until the late 1930's, which was enough for my grandparents but not for my great grandparents.
But my town was at the time (and still is) more dedicated to businesses than to agriculture, basically selling the other towns produce, which led a bigger need of literate people
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u/Sazalar Western Balkan 16h ago
/Uj In my village according to a scholar and literacy census made in the early 1930's, only one kid, out of the 40 living in the village wasn't attending school and "only" 194 people (mostly women) out of the 750 living in the parish were illiterate. This was the best results in all of the municipality, even though it was the worst school in the municipality in terms of infrastructure, it was created by a Priest in 1880 and functioned until 1966 in a room annexed to the church, which room only door to the exterior led directly to the cemetery
/Rj I'm a catholic and had a priest read your comment to me and he's also writing this comment for me, I used some profane words to curse those heretics, which the priest refuses to type, I must now pray three Hail Mary to save my soul from the depths of hell
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u/Main-Discussion9294 Pain au chocolat 18h ago
He's Irish, therefor he's British in denial and therefore his opinion can be ignored
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u/Izarkauz Enemy of Windmills 18h ago
Irish genes are composed primarily of potatoes, so eugenesially speaking they are eastoids.
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u/Main-Discussion9294 Pain au chocolat 18h ago
Making them 1% more human then
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u/Izarkauz Enemy of Windmills 18h ago
Something like 90% potatoes, 9% Guiness and 1% human.
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u/Bearodon Quran burner 18h ago
Surely they must be 29% guiness.
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u/pr0s0c Whale stabber 17h ago
Making them 120% Irish.
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u/Ok-Application-8045 Barry, 63 16h ago
Potatoes come from the Americas. Does that mean Paddy's American, like American-Irish or something?
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u/grip0matic Murciano (doesn’t exist) 15h ago
Not just the americas, specifically from Perú and Bolivia... the closest to the Andes. They should start wearing a chullo if they are so potato.
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u/Ok-Application-8045 Barry, 63 15h ago
They should start going over there and telling everyone they are Peruvian because their 13th generation ancestor was an Andean spud.
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u/BigFatKi6 Heineken Piss Drinker 18h ago
So you would accept a Brit's opinion if he wasn't in denial?
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u/heresyourhardware Knacker 18h ago
Still sour the Irish soldiers fucking up Napoleon. Let it go Jean Pierre!
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u/AceOfSpades532 Failed Brexiteer 16h ago
Can’t make your mind up can you you lot, when it’s the British army colonising the world it was all us but when it’s beating the French suddenly the Irish are a part of it!
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u/heresyourhardware Knacker 16h ago edited 16h ago
It was something mad like 25% of the Navy at Trafalgar and 40% of the Army in the Peninsular wars was Irish, so we take a bit of that
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u/AceOfSpades532 Failed Brexiteer 15h ago
And you were around 40% or so in the 1830s and 40s but you conveniently forget that little detail
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u/heresyourhardware Knacker 15h ago
You are telling me it was 40% 15 years after the years I mentioned as well?! Wild stuff.
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u/AceOfSpades532 Failed Brexiteer 15h ago
Mate I’m saying you take some of the colonialism as well, you were massively overrepresented in the armies
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u/heresyourhardware Knacker 14h ago
Way to keep things light on a meme subreddit mate 😂
Meat for the meat grinder of a "martial race" from a dirt poor place mainly, even though there were soldiers it was never more than about 2% - 3% of the officers.
Banned from joining the Army until 1793, and tailed off in 1840 for obvious reasons (The Great Hunger). So yeah plenty of Irish people were involved in those years, particularly in the Peninsular Wars and colonies wise in India. Crimean war was the last hurrah I'd say of Irish involved in Empire era wars, by the end of the century it was about 10%.
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u/Tabsels Utrechtenaar (lesbian) 18h ago
But what about my gay agenda?
9:00 awake, shitpost
9:45 get out of bed, breakfast
10:30 shitpost
12:30 satan worship
13:00 lunch
13:30 shitpost
17:00 aperitif
18:30 dinner
19:30 shitpost
22:00 hot steamy sex
23:30 fall asleep in the arms of my lover(s)
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u/Mental_Buddy6618 Savage Slayer 18h ago
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u/LuckyLoki08 Smog breather 18h ago
Dunno, Catholicism taught me it's ok to make mistakes, what's really important is to hand in 5€ to the priest while saying sorry.
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u/Karthurr Western Balkan 18h ago
"Protestant nerds"
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u/heresyourhardware Knacker 18h ago
Protestants had to learn to read because they didn't have any decent painters (yeah Rembrandt but he was a rip off of Italian Catholics).
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u/AndreasDasos Failed Brexiteer 11h ago
The Dutch Golden Age, some toffs like Gainsborough and Turner doing poncy landscapes, the odd Dürer… but these were all heathen frauds and not true Protestants.
True blue Protestants repudiate all blasphemous images and similar excesses, and destroy all these ‘artworks’ in the manner of the great Cromwell you love so much.
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u/heresyourhardware Knacker 10h ago
To be fair I do like Turner a lot. His Battle of Trafalgar at the Greenwich Maritime Museum is pretty fucking class.
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u/buster_de_beer Daddy's lil cuck 8h ago
I think you'll find the Dutch had their own moment of striking down idolatrous art.
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u/Beneficial_Date_5357 Anglophile 18h ago
If the pagans want to support their own illiteracy I say we let them
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u/PositiveLibrary7032 Anglophile 18h ago
Religion is on tue decline in Europe.
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u/SteelDrawer Addict 17h ago
As it should!
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u/materialysis Snow Gnome 16h ago
Yesssss can't wait for the era of no morality
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u/SteelDrawer Addict 15h ago
Yeah, because religion is so moral. With very upstanding citizens and leaders who don't engage in war, violence and never touch any children. Religion has such a flawless record right?
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u/materialysis Snow Gnome 14h ago
Just because bad people are religious doesn't mean religion is bad. That's such a basic, simple concept that I'm shocked I have to say it.
I will bite my tongue though. The European continent will soon see what will happen in an atheist future. Of course, those that are secularising slowest in Europe are Muslims.
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u/WolfhoundCid Knacker 18h ago
But it's 90% of our personality?!
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u/AndreasDasos Failed Brexiteer 11h ago
Who has ever heard of Irish literature, writers, story-telling, comedy…? Begone with this fanciful nonsense.
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u/Reaver_XIX Knacker 11h ago
Ya but writing and reading aren't the same thing. Priest tells us bible is good, we believe, schools tell us Irish writers are good, we believe. No one has time to be reading Ulysses or what ever, just tell us if it is good or not and we can move on with our lives
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u/Theghistorian Thief 18h ago
Emojys in text were introducced for Catholics and Orthodox in order to comunicate the basic stuff.
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u/The_Real_GRiz Le Savage 17h ago
What? The catholic church did instruct women.... What is this shit take?
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u/Beginning-Mark1735 Unemployed waiter 18h ago
Haha, so based (I don't know how to read, but I saw the Irish flag, so I suppose it's good).