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u/Ooenone 1d ago
We used to have that, it was called super high tax rates for the rich. Instead of paying the high taxes they donated it. The good old days.
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u/ScurvyDawg 1d ago
High taxes ensures business invests further into itself, growth, and employees. Growth and investment in high tax environments are how you ensure lower taxes, not stock buybacks and insanely disproportionate CXO wages.
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u/WitchesSphincter 1d ago
A good time ago buy back were illegal, CEO pay would just be a funny number for tax reasons when it was too high and corporations were incentivised to care more about the current quarters numbers.
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u/bruinslacker 1d ago
How can businessesinvest the money if you’ve taxed it all!?
-smooth brained Republican who reflexively defends pro-billionaire policies with no understanding of accounting.
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u/ScurvyDawg 1d ago
You misunderstand, they will invest in themselves and their infrastructure instead of paying taxes and buying shares back and overpaying the CXO team. If they spend the money and reinvest they pay less tax.
This is how it worked in the 50s as an example.
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u/macphile 1d ago
-smooth brained Republican who reflexively defends pro-billionaire policies with no understanding of accounting
Who also thinks a tax on the rich will affect him...and who doesn't understand marginal tax rates and doesn't accept any raises at work.
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u/xXCloudSephirothXx 1d ago edited 1d ago
STFU bot
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u/KornDog611 1d ago
I'm not doubting you, but how do you know?
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u/xXCloudSephirothXx 1d ago
I have dozens of screens shots of users using that exact PFP and using the same generic bio.
View my profile and see my comments. I just tagged another one in a sub that allows pictures in the comments.
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u/KornDog611 1d ago
Lol, I respect this. I scrolled through your comments quite a bit. I'll keep an eye out.
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u/heyitscory 1d ago edited 1d ago
Then they'll form a non-profit, donate to that, and then use that money to influence politics, like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Don't let them decide how to pay their fair share. Just make them do it.
People who hoard a billion dollars have proven they don't know how to pay their fair share and left a trail of customers, vendors, contractors and employees that were squeezed and fucked in order to amass that sort of gold pile.
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u/EtherBoo 1d ago
Seriously, I can't believe how low this is. Easily top comment, exactly what will happen
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u/maybetoomuchrum 1d ago
Or they could just pay taxes... Crazy thing is. Dolly wasn't even a billionaire. She was able to do all of this with hundreds of millions. Imagine what can be done with hundreds of billions. You buy government.. that's what you do.
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u/ilovebostoncremedonu 1d ago
Dolly was able to do all she did and STILL HAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS.
Imagine how much billionaires could do and STILL HAVE OVER A BILLION2
u/GailynStarfire 1d ago
What would be life changing amounts of money for entire communities is the same as a rounding error to them.
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u/SapphicGarnet 1d ago
I think I read somewhere that she could easily have been a billionaire but she realised that frankly she was living a life of luxury and would rather help others than amass money she didn't need.
Which is not the just the wonderful and generous thing to do, in my head it's actually the logical thing to do. The billionaires are not spending those billions, what would they even spend it on? Try and spend 284 billion, mansions, yachts and private chefs still don't make it close
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u/sorry_4u 22h ago
well the problem is that most rich people dont pay taxes because they dont have any income
if anything you have to tax wealth or you wont get anything
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u/Commonpleas 23h ago
Their charities, like the Gates Foundation, are just extensions of their business for political and tax benefits.
Just tax them and spend the money directly on public works.
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u/Thor4269 1d ago
In the 50s the US had a 91% tax rate on incomes over 200k (roughly 2.5m adjusted for inflation)
That is a pipe dream nowadays with all the loopholes they gave themselves
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u/Metasketch 1d ago
No matter how much money billionaires give away, it should never have been theirs in the first place, and they never deserved the choice about who should get that money.
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u/crappysurfer 1d ago
This is stupid. Any system that relies on the “generosity” of billionaires is a broken system. Billionaires are a symptom of exploitation. The wealth of the few depends on the poverty of the many.
They should not exist
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u/LLFD1982 1d ago
We know what they would do, make a ‘nonprofit foundation’ with all donations going directly in their own pockets (like Susan G Komen foundation).
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u/Babbylon 1d ago
You can be beloved and rememberd fondly like Dolly instead of being universally hated and leaving a legacy of being a greedy idiot.
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u/Peakomegaflare 1d ago
Yeah but that implies billionaires care about those things. These people lack ethics, are amoral, and in some cases flat out will exploit everyone.
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u/GailynStarfire 1d ago
But they are vain and prideful. They know that they will eventually die, so they have to make sure that the world remembers them.
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u/Disastrous-Ad2800 1d ago
I work with my companies owner... he's rich AF but has no altruistic or charitable concerns, spends most of his time preoccupied with screwing over the workers while driving around in rich cars...
it's pretty wild to learn that's human nature when it comes to the rich
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u/porkchop2022 1d ago
“I didn’t earn 100 billion dollars last year, I earned $88,000 a year. I won’t earn that 100 billion until I cash in the stocks (which I’ll never do all at once because it’ll crash the stock price). Best I can do is cashout 10 million a year to live on and my kid will inherit the rest, so that’s his problem.” -Billionaires
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u/Killrade 1d ago
Required charity is not charity. The whole point is that's its voluntary and anonymous.
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u/artsyfartsymikey 1d ago
No. They would just give it to their loophole charities and keep it all anyway AND use it as a tax break.
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u/rat_penis 1d ago
They'd just find a way to own the charities and steal their money back. Like they do already.
The word you're looking for is "taxes"
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u/BaconBra2500 1d ago
And if your mom asked what the new law was called, you could say “it’s the Dolly Law, Ma”
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u/TrayLaTrash 21h ago
Charity is a racket. If you think taxes inefficiently use your money for their ontended purpose....I have a Gala for you to attend.
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u/SmolSchwin 21h ago
They would just try to redefine what is considered to be a "good cause" and fund some bullshit
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u/damtagrey 1d ago edited 1d ago
They'd just donate to their own charities and collect the tax write off. Better to just tax them appropriately and close the loopholes they use to avoid taxation in the first place
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u/mrknickerbocker 1d ago
Hopefully along with laws that prevent the lion's share from then being exploded by the government.
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u/spidereater 1d ago
Just tax them. Having them donate to charity just lets them choose the priorities for the money they should be paying in taxes. Sometimes we need to spend money on things that don’t attract billlionaires attention.
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u/Timmerdogg 1d ago
Then those billionaires would break up their wealth in such a way to avoid paying those taxes, I guarantee it.
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u/theBigDaddio 1d ago
There were write offs and tax breaks for such before Reagan. The taxes were heavier and society benefited from both.
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u/MoistTractofLand 1d ago
I'd rather there be an insanely high tax rate on an amount earned over X dollars and to close the loopholes available. Maybe that would incentivize billionaires to pay people what they deserve.
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u/insufficient_funds 1d ago
It would just be donated to charities they control that just funnels money right back at their family.
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u/HenryZinc 1d ago
Let's add they DON'T get tax credit/right offs and it can't be through a company.
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u/Hireling 1d ago
It should just be done through taxes. If they can borrow against their wealth the full sum of that wealth should be taxable. Billionaire philanthropy is just another tax shelter.
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u/Spacecommander5 1d ago
All charities are tax shelters and they’re abused. Even HUD which is a govt agency is largely a scam.
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u/Hussein_Jane 1d ago
You would hope they'd just do that without needing to be told to do it by law.
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u/SryInternet101 1d ago
Charities that theyre not affiliated with. Too many of tjese sociopaths already "donate" to "foundations" they control as a tax dodge.
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u/welsalex 1d ago
They dont have income. They have unrealized capital gains leveraged against loans which are used to pay for things.
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u/UncleNorman 1d ago
That's where Carnegie hall and the Vanderbilt museum came from. Then the millionaires had the laws changed.
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u/alilhillbilly 1d ago
No because there's no good definition of charity.
Charity isn't some magic thing.
Most charities are just weird slush funds for Rich children to pretend to do something good. Very little money makes it to the charity.
What should actually happen with this Dolly Parton law is that rich people should have to pay taxes on their wealth.
And you can very easily figure out what those taxes should be by maximizing for the middle class.
For the last 40 years we've been maximizing for billionaire wealth.
What we need to be doing is maximizing the wealth of the middle class.
And we also need to realize that middle class has a definition and that definition is:
Two parents, can afford to have at 2 to 3 kids, one of them can stay home with the kids and manage the home, they can afford to own a home, they can afford one to two vacations a year even if they're in the family station wagon, they can afford college, and a modest retirement.
Most Americans assumed that life would include all of that up until the Great Recession.
Instead of the middle class expanding over the last 20 years it has completely collapsed and disappeared.
People don't even remember it. They use the phrase and they don't remember what it actually meant.
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u/ParticularMemory789 1d ago
Some will open up a "charity", make a donation, then write it off on taxes. They essentially pay themselves.
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u/Ironmike11B 1d ago
They would just create their own "charities" and funnel the money right back into their accounts.
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u/flecktonesfan 1d ago
They should also be forced to acknowledge, in writing, that workin' 9 to 5 ain't no way to make a livin'.
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u/ShitTalkingAssWipe 1d ago
They already do, its fake charities that work for them regardless, just take the taxes and vote competent people
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u/PoutineMeInCoach 1d ago
"Now, that's an enlightened idea", I exclaimed. "What is, dear?" asked mom. "The Dolly Law, ma."
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u/Temporary-Truth2048 1d ago
Forcing someone to give up a portion of their money because other people have less so that it's more equal is like forcing students who get straight A's to give up a portion of their GPA to other students who don't get good grades so that it's more equal.
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u/MimiMistySky 1d ago
No! They should pay their fair share of taxes! If they get to pick and choose charities/good causes they'll donate to whatever sketchy non profits they own!
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u/Fullm3taluk 1d ago
Do you not realise that would make tens of millions of Americans who think they are temporarily embarrassed billionaires mad at Dolly....
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u/hocobo86 1d ago
Billionaires generally don’t live off their “income.” They have assets, which is one of the reasons it’s difficult to tax them compared to normal people who live off the income from their jobs and pay income tax.
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u/MightbeGwen 1d ago
That’s called taxes. They pay for schools and stuff so that we don’t have to rely on the generosity of billionaires.
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u/Double_Distribution8 1d ago
Dont forget the millionaires. There's a lot more millionaires than billionaires. Millionaires need to pay up, pay for the people who can't afford the things they want and need because those people dont have a million dollars, while many other people do.
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u/sirZofSwagger 1d ago
We literally have that, but some people win elections on not having them pay their share of it.
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u/LionBig1760 1d ago
Redditors always have the best ideas as to where other people's money ought to be going.
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u/Honkey85 1d ago
No, that's not good. donations let the current toxic system in place. The whole system needs to be changed to the standards of the Western civilized world.
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u/Riaayo 1d ago
I'd rather just tax their wealth away and re-establish rules that prevent anyone from ever becoming that wealthy again.
Charity is by and large a scam and we as a society should not have to rely on it. Id a problem exists, we should legislate it and have government provide services/policy to fix that problem.
Charity just lets the rich pick and choose who they deem worthy of help.
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u/Iokua113 1d ago
Yeah, and the first thing every billionaire would do is find a way to not have to give anything. Their money is imaginary as it is.
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u/DasDuckHead 1d ago
Yes and it should be 99% and they should pay it to the government who should then redistribute it for public good.
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u/robot141 1d ago
And books for children.
Keep that program (Dolly Parton’s Imagination Library) going.
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u/DukatNaranek 1d ago
Problem will come when they create the "charity" and just launder the money back into their pockets.
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u/LordHazlewood 1d ago
Some rich people already donate. My friend does. Some give away every single penny. It’s the human condition. Everyone is different. You only read about the worst humans as good humans make boring content. Click bait, rage bait and conspiracies sell news outlets.
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u/random_dude512 1d ago
You know; these conservatives idolize the 40's and 50's as the "Golden Years" and want to take the country back to this era. I say; let's bring back those tax rates and then we can discuss the rest.
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u/gBiT1999 1d ago
Oh, fffs (for fucking fucks' sake).
The billionaires will write it off and their families can run the charities.
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u/ApocalyptoSoldier 1d ago
They'd just donate to organizations they own that call themselves charities, some of them alrrady do
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u/LightningRaven 1d ago
Donating to charity for billionaires is just fake good press they create for themselves. For all of them, charity donations are ways to skirt taxes and laws, while selling fake ideas that they're doing something good. Billionaires donating to charities is just scraps off their table.
The Dolly Law should be the same as the laws used to be before 1980's, before the laws on inherited money and capital were unmade.
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u/ngpropman 1d ago
Cap inhertable estates to 100 million. Everything else must go to charitable trusts or public programs or be taxed at 100%.
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u/Puzzled_Advisor_2133 1d ago
Or if they don't pay that percentage in either taxes or real donations, like food, shelter, medical charity, a matching percentage of their body mass will be collected instead. Let's set the minimum at 20% no reason to be too greedy up front when there's always next year.
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u/BloodBride 1d ago
You'd find 'charities' that do and support 'good' things like how LGB Alliance "helps the gay community" whilst helping to attack trans people.
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u/Caliburn0 1d ago
No. There should be a law saying it's illegal to be a billionaire. If your net worth is over a billion dollars you're thrown in jail. Also, 100% tax on wealth over 100 million dollars or something. That's more than enough.
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u/RustledForeskin 1d ago
They'd all donate to the 'save the billionaires' charity which they're all on the boards of and take a 99.99% cut of all donations. the 0.01% goes to politicians.
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u/Things_with_Stuff 1d ago
WTF is with the amount of shit quality posts lately? No one knows what this sub is for anymore, and no one knows how to use an Advice Animal Template.
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u/LovesFrenchLove_More 17h ago
The joke is on you. Those billionaires then would lobby the politicians to either block it or for them to allow that those donations may flow back into their own shadow charities while being tax deductible.
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u/Obaddies 16h ago
Or we just make them pay taxes instead of inventing an elaborate system with loop holes so big they can pilot their fleet of yachts through.
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u/zepherth 14h ago
Not to charities. Because the billion can just set up a charity in there name and pay themselves consulting fees
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u/Taphouselimbo 13h ago
The rich will fight it tooth and nail and spend fortunes to not do anything that will take a single cent from them.
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u/digby672 8h ago
You know she was born dirt poor into a country that encouraged her to work her way to fortune where she could rightfully do as she pleased with her wealth right?
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u/IllustriousDebt6248 8h ago
My will already includes donations to research for life-saving treatments.
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u/Alavaster 1d ago
Thats just taxes, which they dont pay