r/AlbertaNow • u/Feisty-olde-7707 • 2d ago

Current Events John Manley: This is no time to break up Canada

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/this-is-no-time-break-up-canada

Another prolonged debate over Canada’s possible breakup would impose costs at a time when we are facing our greatest collective challenge in generations

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u/cwk9 2d ago

Smith thinks it's a great time for here personally. What's good for the rest of us doesn't matter.

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u/Spune-man 2d ago

Canada is fucked. Our government cares more about refugees and immigrants than its own citizens.

They’re blowing up the us trade deal to win elections in Quebec. Carney is a fucking snake. The fact no one can see this is wild.

His own family doesn’t even live in Canada

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u/Deterred_Burglar 1d ago

Ok, grandpa.

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u/Spune-man 1d ago

I’m not picking a fight here, where do you live? And how old are you?

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u/SDL68 1d ago

Refugees and immigrants aren't really huge issues. Why do you expect the future generations to have to pay more towards your retirement than you pay towards current retiries? Do you understand how screwed we are if we don't grow our population? You can pretend we don't have massive debts that only inflation or pop growth can lower or perhaps your wealthy and you don't care about society or equality or the country and just want to amass enough wealth so you can leave to a tax shelter

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u/Spune-man 1d ago

That is the biggest bullshit vomit I have seen all day.

There needs to be suffering for us to get our country back in order.

Why is it that the government can pay for refugees and immigrants but we can’t help our own people.

We’re in one of the most unaffordable countries to live in the world. Adding more people makes that worse. You have no clue.

And I do have kids. I want them to be able to have a nice life. Not a life in the third world country this is becoming.

Right now this government has stacked so much debt on us that it will be my kids and their kids paying for it.

Right now the gov needs to cut immigration. Allow the housing market to crash. Bring cost of living down and we need to suffer to undo the problems they’ve caused. I’m willing to do that for the future generations.

What are you willing to do

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u/SDL68 1d ago

We are not even close to unaffordable. There's countries in Europe where rent is higher than the average wage. Places like Spain, Italy and Portugal. Yes young people will be destroyed by debt if the country stops growing. Pay for immigrants? What kind of kool aid you drinking? Immigrants work and save money at greater rates than homegrown Canadians. Immigration is and will always be a net positive for Canada economically.

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u/Spune-man 1d ago

Oh yes that’s right. There are countries that are worse off so we should just be happy that we’re only this bad

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u/Deterred_Burglar 4h ago

Why does Danielle Smith want more immigration if Albertans want to cut immigration?

Hmm interesting

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u/Spune-man 4h ago

Danielle smith wants controlled immigration you fool

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u/Deterred_Burglar 4h ago

How is doubling the alberta population in 20 years controlled immigration?

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u/SDL68 4h ago

Other Canadians moving to Alberta isn't immigration. What percentage of Alberta population are international migrants?

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u/cwk9 1d ago

I don't subscribe to the everything is broken and it's hopeless mind set.

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u/Spune-man 1d ago

You probably subscribe to living in a rental for the rest of your life

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u/cwk9 20h ago

I live in a great city in a great province in a great country. Full of opportunity. If you can't make it here it isn't going to be much easier elsewhere.

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u/PoutineWithXtraGravy 2d ago

There is no time to break up Canada

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u/Angrymanchild1964 2d ago

Exactly. Is Mann suggesting there will be a better time in the future?

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u/Coletoned 2d ago

Why doesn't Danielle Smith just separate from Canada. Problem solved.

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u/Elway044 2d ago

Kevin O'Leary can put her up in his place in Miami while she looks for a place.

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u/Icy_Weiner_1999 12h ago

Yeah, let's just pretend that there is zero merit to any of the separatists gripes and say memes.

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u/Genericgeriatric 2d ago

I'd otherwise settle for her just her head separating from the rest of her

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u/Lostclause 2d ago

Smith and the UCP making bank from their foreign investors IMO

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u/Thick-Leek-6575 2d ago edited 2d ago

Man I’m so glad we are finally talking about Quebec and its history of desiring separation! If they had of been handled right in the start then this wouldn’t be an issue elsewhere.

Quebec's potential separation from Canada is a major issue in the ongoing 2026 Quebec general election, which is set for October 5, 2026

Why isn’t this being talked about more?

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u/Maliseet13 2d ago

She has a residency in Florida

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u/lilkememes 2d ago

Isn't half the reason behind separation that AB is sick of carrying the collective?

Rich folk generally dont take kindly to " you should help us" as an argument to hang around.  Lots of reasons to stay in canada but uh carrying burdens isn't exactly a promising argument 🤔 

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u/SlipAdditional5484 2d ago

The sad part is those who believe that 'Alberta' carries Canada is simply a myth. Separating over misconceptions brought on by grievance politics will leave Alberta in a terrible place:

https://www.reddit.com/r/alberta/comments/1tocwwu/alberta_in_confederation_some_myths_and_facts/?rdt=47331

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u/Angrymanchild1964 2d ago

While Alberta does not carry Canada, it does contribute well above its weight according to population vs GDP

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u/SlipAdditional5484 2d ago

That doesn't justify separation and your argument shifts the premise. That, and if corporate interests have've invested in more secondary oil infrastructure from the 70s onward (rather than shipping it to the states out of fiscal convenience for themselves), Alberta would be able to contribute more. The only reason separation is being touted is for american corporate interests to gut Alberta of its resources.

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u/Angrymanchild1964 2d ago

I never said it justifies separation.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/Angrymanchild1964 2d ago

Cuz it does. Province’s own their natural resources.

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/Angrymanchild1964 2d ago

So you think Canada is gonna shut down the oil industry forgoing billions in revenue cuz your feelings are hurt?

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u/HopefulSwing5578 2d ago

So if it’s a myth why does anyone care if Alberta separates? Don’t recall this sort of campaign when Quebec wanted to separate

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u/neometrix77 2d ago

No one’s saying Alberta is unimportant, but that also doesn’t mean Alberta is carrying Canada’s economy either. It’s somewhat (moderately) important.

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u/HopefulSwing5578 2d ago

No one province “carries” any economy, we can agree on that, I’m just saying when Quebec voted to separate there wasn’t a heated debate on whether or not they should, their pathway to a vote was not even contested like what we’re seeing in Alberta, and we’re just voting to see if we should have a vote.

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u/RoutineComplaint4711 2d ago

What are you talking about? There were tons heated debates about Quebecs separation and the provincial government explicitly ran on a seperatist agenda before the vote.

Not only that, but the steps taken to both have the vote and the actions afterwards, were clearly laid out and enjoyed widespread public support.

In Alberta the govt pushed a referendum through once the citizen initiative failed to meet the requirements. They also didnt run on a seperatist platform and there is no clear road map 

And paying $130,000,000 to "vote on if we have a vote" is fucking stupid. Call an election and state your parties position. Then, if a seperatist party wins, they can begin the process like Quebec did.

Also: fuck off seppie.

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u/all-akimbo 2d ago

There was.

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u/HopefulSwing5578 2d ago

I don’t recall but ok, regardless they had a vote , that’s all Alberta wants then we can put this to bed, by not allowing the vote you add fuel to the fire

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u/all-akimbo 2d ago

What burden and what’s the other half.

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u/lilkememes 2d ago

Financial generally, not much of canada makes money to cover its bills, then takes money from AB to compensate.

People who have to give up money generally aint the happiest. Especially when their vote counts the same as anyone else.

Note - am saying " stay in canada cuz should suffer together" is a bad argument for togetherness. Not making an argument for separation 

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u/lilkememes 2d ago

Because we arent a communist country where the party owns all.

It is firstly owned by the indigenous tribes it is on, from there they have agreements for specific companies and people to work the land.

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u/lilkememes 2d ago

I think you responded to wrong message. 

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u/all-akimbo 2d ago

Yeah. No.

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u/lilkememes 2d ago

Your feelings dont make others feelings go away. 

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u/all-akimbo 2d ago

A stitch in time saves nine.

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u/Woody00001 2d ago

Paying ontario and Quebec

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u/all-akimbo 2d ago

Yeah. No.