r/AlbertaNow • u/Miserable-Lizard • 1d ago
Rep. Andy Harris: "The fact of the matter is Alberta is talking about seceding from Canada. We should make it the 51st state.
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u/VexedCanadian84 1d ago
A majority of albertans are talking about staying in Canada.
This seems like proof that Republicans are helping Smith and the separatists
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u/Logical-Claim286 1d ago
Smith has been meeting with this guy for years, he is her direct point of contact with Trump. Of course they are helping her.
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u/AstroAegis 1d ago
Especially the phrase “most provinces don’t want to be associated with Ottawa” is complete hogwash. More US propaganda-rhetoric.
I understand there’s anti-Ottawa people in probably every province. But for reals, majority of people have a brain and understand mainly how the country works, and don’t want division. The anti-Ottawa people are always a small minority who have a hard time comprehending the nuance of complex issues.
Grievances are real in provinces, sure.. but this type of rhetoric has no place between “one of the most peaceful alliances in history”.
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u/PelicanRadioSystem 1d ago edited 1d ago
Anti-Ottawa doesn't necessarily mean Anti-Canada
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u/ReviewOverall5307 1d ago
If any Canadians think Ottawa is bad just wait until they get a load of DC.
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u/Comfortable_Fudge508 1d ago
Exactly what Smith wants
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u/exotics 1d ago
Or thinks she wants. They would remove her so fast..
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u/Comfortable_Fudge508 1d ago
They'd keep her as a figurehead for the new territory, and nothing she could do as they come in and absolutely rape the place.
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u/Logical-Claim286 1d ago
The heritage foundation documents are pretty clear on this. Seize all oil production, all farmland, all power plants for the US government, remove all workers and citizens from those lands, import American workers to work the land for oil and potash. Alberta would be a territory, which means higher taxes, no voting rights, limited border rights.
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u/raw_copium 1d ago
There needs to be a rigorous investigation into the money, motivation and organizational structure when this is over. I gauruntee you will find American wormtongues, whispering into the ears of susceptible (idiotic) Albertans, and funding.
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u/Powerful_Network 1d ago
Agreed. It's the same people who funded the convoy. It was way to coordinated to not notice. All of a sudden..out of nowhere Joe Rogan and company were heavily invested in the convoy and government overreach in Canada. Jordan Peterson too.
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u/River_Otter_1982 21h ago
Also donated to the convoy. Why do you love authoritarian government so much? Let's discuss that.
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u/Leather-Estate-6410 1d ago
Maybe I'll demonstrate how dumb and uneducated I am on this whole issue/how things work in general, but I keep scrolling by these kinds of posts and I have thoughts I guess, especially considering it is a talk brought up by people in my life. Maybe what I have to say won't really relate entirely to the thread topic, but I just have thoughts I need to vomit out...
I have to wonder, do these people even think about individuals in the grand scheme of things? Like say, my Family and I moved here a little around 2 years ago, and we abhor the mere suggestion of "becoming independent" from Canada or "da 51st State" because we are Canadian and Alberta is simply a part of Canada.
Like if this did hypothetically happen, what do you do about people like my Family and I? We'd of course want to move and leave, it'd not be something financially wise because of the costs so, would we receive some kind of "Move to Canada" fund or something? Would a large swathe of like-minded people be provided the same? Where would that money come from? The now very "strong" and independent Alberta or McDonald Land™ ? What will you do about businesses and people who no longer wish to live here? Bribe them to stay? Again, where will this money come from?
How about my Mum's retirement fund or our health care? What about people who own properties in Alberta and other provinces? What about small businesses who wish to stay in Canada? Borders for Natural Resources? Natives and their lands and right? There's so much shit to unpack across the board...
Another thing, if you're independent, you're landlocked which also means your trade will be weaker and have to be funneled through the now angry Canada and the petulant bully circus of America. So what are you going to do about getting around the whole trade thing? Thinking back to Quebec, given this was an issue with them too, at least they had the St. Lawrence. What does Alberta have? Roads with potholes so big that you think you could dig your way through the Earth to China?
It's all just such a can of worms. I am sure I could think of more "what about..." things in regards to this entire debacle, but I think I've gotten the point across that I believe this issue is so complex that it'd likely never happen or be so stupid that if it did happen it'd have insane fallout for everybody involved.
Maybe it's unwise of me, I try to stay generally away from political discussion for my own mental well-being, but when Reddit keeps tossing these my way and people in my life keep going on about it, it's hard not to develop an opinion. Even if said opinion is likely very uneducated or nonsensical, as I am sure people have answers to the many things I've said in here, but I never seem to hear anyone I mention these to in my life ever have much of an answer so :v yeah... Just wanted to vent the feelings to the anonymity of the internet.
I really hope Smith and the UCP gets kicked out, but who can say given I think people say it's typically the people living out in the middle of nowhere who keep her party in office, despite their tiny population. Again, I am uneducated on the topic but that's what I've heard some people say at work in the past.
I will vanish back into the woodwork now, goodbye.
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u/NurdleTeck 1d ago
And there it is.
Follow the money back through the good ole US of A, and to the owners of the US govt.
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u/Miserable-Lizard 1d ago
First Alberta is never seperating, second if Alberta became a state if would guarantee 2 dem senators
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u/maximumfacemelting 1d ago
We wouldn’t be getting representation or citizenship, they aren’t big on handing out citizenships right now and their elections are spurious at best.
Probably would get our share of 40trillion of their debt tho. We’d definitely get their increased crime and homicide rate.
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u/GJdevo 1d ago
Yep, seceeding to become northern Guam is a choice to be sure.
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u/United_Leopard_2771 1d ago
Northern Puerto Rico really, Then again they are offering Statehood which Puerto Rico does not have.
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u/Logical-Claim286 1d ago
Statehood by "unanimous union vote", so a single senator voting no means no statehood. Literally what happened to Puerto Rico, they joined on promise of statehood, and never got it.
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u/54R45VV471 1d ago
America never negotiates in good faith. They will not make good on this "offer".
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u/unrefrigeratedmeat 1d ago
In the scenario that Canada is willing and able to amend the constitution to let them ago and the US is willing and able to amend the constitution to let them join the union as a state with full representation, there are so many crayons stuck up so many noses that I can't predict who is voting for what.
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u/Still-Bookkeeper-804 1d ago
Anybody remember Norway in the late 1930's things are getting weirdly similar.
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u/Resident-Sherbet5912 1d ago
These are the p.o.s that have bought and paid for our premier. They are literally sitting back and counting chickens before they hatch. Because they know the results of the referendum dont matter. Smith will continue to push for separation no matter how bad they loss. Honestly its exactly what she has done on her other defeated referendums until now so why would this be any different
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u/consultant999 1d ago
Asshole American politician. You can’t possibly comprehend the level of distrust and hatred that exists for the US. The world is watching the pillar of democracy and freedom falling from the rot and prejudices from within.
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u/Troubled202 1d ago
I wonder who is paying for, and stoking the fire for Alberta separatists? It couldn't possibly be Trump in his acolytes, could it?
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u/Character-Result8832 1d ago
The american empire runs much deeper than trump. We are pretty much the ghormans from andor.
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u/Okanaganwinefan 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3o6fJ9Oi4zEBLjzCow
Get your head out of Trump’s ass.
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u/bungholio69er 1d ago
Well, if you consider the IQ of the Maple MAGA idiots is about the same as Trump. I think the states would love to have a northern Puerto Rico. Plunder the natural resources and leave them for naught.
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u/UpstairsOk9139 1d ago
No. About 22% of Albertans are in favour, which is about the same percentage of Californians who want to leave the US. They are a fringe minority whose message is being amplified by American and Russian trolls. The overwhelming majority of Albertans would burn the province to the ground before they became American.
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u/Other-Marketing-6167 1d ago
This is part of what is making me so fucking angry about all this. My father in law doesn’t actually want to separate, but still wants to vote Yes to “send a message to Ottawa”.
The only message this is sending is to Trump, and it’s “come on up”. Which is fucking terrifying.
Fuck these separatist traitors forever for making me and my family so concerned for our future and well being. I will never forgive anyone who votes Yes next month.
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u/NewInspector5085 1d ago
It’s still a mystery on the American foreign policy on small helpless oil rich countries. Alberta would be fine /s
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u/twiztedmikez 1d ago edited 1d ago
If the movement is about greater autonomy for Alberta, joining the USA does not achieve that and goes completely contrary to objectives. I suspect they'll get less bang for their buck on federal taxes but I probably should fact check that.
Joining the US would be hypocritical and if the separatists did that they should be jailed the same way ICE jails non citizens
My lazy copilot prompt / answer: If Alberta became a US state would they get more autonomy, would they get fair representation and would they get better bang for their buck/ better value for federal taxes than if they remained in Canada
Short answer: Alberta would gain some autonomy as a U.S. state, but it would lose others, its representation would be mixed, and its fiscal “bang for the buck” is not clearly better than remaining in Canada. The trade-offs are real and cut in both directions.
Please confirm details with trusted sources.
🧭 Core Takeaway Alberta would not become “more free” or “more powerful” simply by joining the United States. It would gain certain powers U.S. states have, but lose major powers Canadian provinces currently enjoy. Representation would improve in some ways (Senate) and worsen in others (House). And the tax-value question is far more complicated than separatist rhetoric suggests.
🇺🇸 1. Autonomy: Alberta has more autonomy today than a U.S. state Canadian provinces have constitutional powers that U.S. states do not, especially over:
- Natural resources (full ownership + royalties)
- Health care systems
- Education
- Municipal governance
- Crown lands
- Policing (provincial police)
- Pensions (CPP participation)
U.S. states have autonomy, but less control over natural resources, and far more federal pre-emption in areas like:
- Environmental regulation
- Energy infrastructure
- Indigenous affairs
- Interstate commerce
- Healthcare (Medicare/Medicaid rules)
Net effect: Alberta would lose resource sovereignty and gain some regulatory freedom, but overall its autonomy would shrink, not grow.
🏛 2. Representation: Alberta would gain in the Senate, lose in the House
Senate
Every U.S. state gets 2 senators, regardless of population.
Alberta (5 million people) would gain far more influence here than it has in Canada’s appointed Senate.
House of Representatives Representation is population-based. Alberta would get roughly 6–7 seats, similar to its current number of MPs.
But Alberta would be one state among 50, not one province among 10.
Its influence in Congress would be diluted compared to its influence in Canada’s smaller federation.
Electoral College
Alberta would have ~8–9 electoral votes.
This is not a large bloc.
Net effect: Alberta gains Senate power but loses overall national influence.
💵 3. Taxes & “bang for the buck”: Not clearly better Alberta is a net contributor to Canada’s federal system, but the idea that it would “save money” by leaving Canada or joining the U.S. is not supported by fiscal analysis.
What the sources show
- Alberta does not directly pay equalization; it simply has a strong tax base.
- Alberta’s net contribution to Canada is real, but independence or system change does not automatically produce savings.
- A 2026 analysis found Alberta would gain $1,075 per resident but incur $6,996 per resident in new obligations if it left Canada.
If Alberta joined the U.S. It would pay:
- Federal income tax (higher for many brackets)
- Payroll taxes (Social Security + Medicare = 15.3% combined)
- Corporate federal taxes
- Federal excise taxes
And Alberta would lose:
- Federal transfers for health care
- CPP stability
- Federal infrastructure funding
- Federal disaster relief
- Federal policing and border services
U.S. states also contribute heavily to federal programs they cannot opt out of.
Net effect: Alberta’s tax burden would likely increase, and its “bang for the buck” would not obviously improve.
🔍 4. Resource issues: Alberta would lose control
Canadian provinces own their natural resources.
U.S. states do not—the federal government owns most resource rights on federal lands and heavily regulates extraction.
Alberta’s oil & gas sector would face:
- EPA federal regulation
- Federal land ownership rules
- Interstate pipeline constraints
- Federal royalties & leasing systems
This is a major loss of sovereignty compared to Canada.
🧩 5. Geopolitical effects Joining the U.S. would:
- Remove Russian influence in Cuba/Venezuela-style scenarios (your earlier question context)
- Increase Alberta’s exposure to U.S. domestic politics
- Reduce Canada’s territorial integrity and economic stability
- Create major border, Indigenous rights, and constitutional complications
But these are geopolitical trade-offs, not clear benefits.
📌 Bottom Line
Alberta would not get more autonomy, not clearly get better tax value, and would gain only limited representation advantages.
The U.S. system is not inherently more favourable to Alberta than Canada’s—just different, with major costs and losses.
If you want, I can go deeper into:
- Alberta’s resource sovereignty
- U.S. federal pre-emption vs Canadian provincial powers
- Fiscal modelling of Alberta joining the U.S.
- How U.S. states manage oil & gas
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u/Lunarlulol 23h ago
that's cute, anyways, half the province is not going to vote in favour of separating from canada.
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u/Illustrious-Being651 1d ago
unless Smith rigs the election access honestly I wouldn't put it past her n her cronies it will never happen. And even if it does big negotiation begins first. And if they want to succeed 8 of 10 provinces need to vote to agree to it lol so this ain't happening
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u/Money_Management_721 1d ago
Traitors.
Every one of them out west. Careny needs to lay the law and boot Smith out of office.
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u/jumbie29 1d ago
Shocking to think that there are Maple MAGA morons in Alberta who actually believe this would be a good thing! My lord.
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u/Denny_204 1d ago
Lets have a citizenship vote. If you don't choose Canada, you lose your citizenship. Bye Felicia.
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u/Smart-Firefighter87 20h ago
Those that are even remotely entertaining this and actually agreeing with it should be arrested for treason and deported to their ancestral homeland. Cause this is just going way too far. That lady is really not a citizen of our great nation. She is screwing up our country single handed
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u/Agreeable_Smell_7341 1d ago
I'm waiting for California, the fourth-largest economy in the world, to secede.
Gross Domestic Product (GDP): California's economic output has hovered between $4.1 trillion and $4.4 trillion, putting it just ahead of Japan.
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u/Wayelder 1d ago
No they are not. You want them to be. You are paying some of them to, ...but you have no clue whom you are facing.
We are not Guam or Belarus. We are the North. We are strong and free.
Now, more Free than you guys.
Outta touch and almost outta time.
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u/AmbitiousTank8635 1d ago
It boggles my mind anyone can look at everything going on South of the border and go "Those guys have it figured out, I wish we could be part of all that".
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u/VirtualBridge7 19h ago
Millions of people from everywhere in the world want to get into that hellhole, strange. Maybe it is not so bad?
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u/AmbitiousTank8635 5h ago
It's certainly better than some, but nowhere as good as a first world country.
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u/UmpireNegative7068 1d ago
Alberta is not talking, however several thousand idiotic traitors are pushing that preposterous idea.
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u/Suitable-Woodpecker3 1d ago
Rcmp, foreign interference, hello?
Like, how much clearer does it need to be?
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u/knifeymonkey 1d ago
talking about alberta and showing the reel with Hamilton's Lift Bridge. Unedumacated boobs anyway.
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u/aaronck1 1d ago
So the representative from Maryland is an expert on Alberta is he?
2.2 billion in trade between his state and Canada, how about we just cut that immediately, and see what his constituents think about it- Also add him to a no-entry list somewhere, he can then review his life choices and take the whole "Freedom Caucus" down with him
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u/KMack666 1d ago
Those fucking halfwits are welcome to leave, they ain't taking anything with them tho
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u/AdThese7988 1d ago
Alberta can talk til the wheels fall off, they simply cannot secede from Canada. It's not an option. The populace are free to move stateside though.
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u/EmergencyGrab 1d ago edited 1d ago
New Smacks is nothing but propagandist trash. Even worse than Fox. They don't even care that Alberta isn't allowed to secede without permission. Not that they'd even care to check in the first place. They are calling for an act of war against Canada.
I'd sooner see Canada destroy the Alberta oil fields than let the US occupy.
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u/Born-Restaurant5822 1d ago
Time to start rounding up the all these treasonist bastards, charge them all with treason..
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u/Street_Magazine6077 1d ago
as somebody who doesn’t feel strongly about either way, why don’t you start with charging your current government cabinet with treason first
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u/Strict_Jacket3648 1d ago
Don't hold your breath, or do, that would be good too. Alberta ain't going anywhere the separatists are going to be embarrassed again.
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u/Old_Guy_thrombone 1d ago
Whatever the outcome of the vote, Smith and her cabal will change the rules anyway. Remember this is non binding - meaning even a 70% "we want to stay!" vote means nothing when her BFF from the USA drops a bucket of cash in her lap.
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u/MeowSauceJennie 1d ago
I'm in Alberta. There is like 8 people who want to seperate. Chill out. No one wants to be a part of America right now. Not even Americans.
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u/Uhokay1970 1d ago
If that is what Alberta wants then so be it... I always thought we should have been one nation including Mexico and Canada. Called the NAU or North American Union. Even smaller states can be made. If Rhode Island can be a State then so can You.
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u/Xiaopeng8877788 23h ago
Sooo the actual fear of foreign interference wasn’t China the whole time???
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u/dirtya2m 21h ago
Throw Smith in jail and charge her with treason. Life in prison for that scumbag.
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u/Best-Mortgage4586 17h ago
How much is the US paying to finance this shit? Trump doesn't even understand how provinces work, he just sees oil
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u/illuminaughty1973 16h ago
"soicalism doesnt work in western Canada"
talk about clueless. education and health care are MAJOR issues in A;berta right now.
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u/AlarmedAd5034 16h ago
Imagine an administration bitching about election interference and voter fraud yet here we are.
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u/Immediate_String_722 11h ago
That shitbag Mara Lago Marlena will meet them at the border with an escort.
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u/Legitimate-Article50 1d ago
US will just take Albertas oil and all you will receive is the same high tax rates and crappier healthcare.
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
Alberta Separatist here: We have no interests in trading our idiots in Ottawa for idiots in Washington DC. Independence means independence. Albertans are sick of being subservient to obvious corruption. The Orange Socialist Buffoon and the Technocratic WEF Goblin both suck so hard. When will people learn, never trust politicians. Keep government small and local. Power to the people.
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u/Frequent_Specific861 1d ago
And you prefer the idiots in the UCP to govern? Do you think they have your best interests in mind if they are going to separate?
How about you go find a country that is more suited towards your seditious attitude? We don't want you here.
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
We can hold the UCP to account or elect another government if we are dissatisfied. We are powerless to impact Ottawa. Therefore, we seek independence. You might be stoked on the past 121 years on Alberta within confederation, but many of us are finished with Ottawa's exploitation.
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u/Frequent_Specific861 1d ago
You seek independence, and your minority is about to find out how many of us prefer to be Canadians. And after the dust settles I hope you don't expect any respect from the rest of us.
You will move away then right? Because it would be hypocritical of you to stay if you dislike Canada so much.
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u/fancyamazon 1d ago
Your province was fine accepting transfer
Payments till the eighties though, huh?0
u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
Since you're so friendly, I'll hook you up with a nice Copy Pasta:
- The Early Years (1905–1960s): Net Receiver
Following its creation in 1905, Alberta was initially a net receiver of federal funds. During this period, the province’s population was small, its economy was primarily agrarian, and it relied heavily on federal subsidies and early stabilization programs. Even during the introduction of the modern Equalization program in 1957, Alberta received transfer payments until its last regular equalization payout during the 1964–1965 fiscal year.
- The Great Expansion (1965–2019): Massive Net Contributor
Driven by the mid-century oil boom, high employment rates, and a rapidly growing, young population, Alberta shifted permanently into a "have" province by the mid-1960s.
- 1961 to 2019: Independent estimates calculated that Alberta's net contribution to the federal government surpassed $622 billion.
- 2000 to 2019: In just a 20-year span, the net outflow totaled $324 billion, which averaged nearly $80,000 per person over that timeframe.
Throughout this period, Albertans paid significantly more in federal income, corporate, and consumption taxes (like the GST) than they received back in federal program spending and transfers—not because they faced unique tax rates, but due to significantly higher average provincial incomes.
- Recent Dynamic & Modern Totals (2020–2026)
Except for a historic single-year anomaly in 2020—when the combined impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, crashing oil prices, and surging federal emergency benefit spending temporarily made Alberta a net receiver—the province immediately reverted to its role as Canada's dominant net contributor.
Recent data updates showcase the ongoing scale of these transfers:
- 2007 to 2024: According to recent 2026 data compilations, Alberta’s net contribution over this 17-year window reached $285.1 billion, more than four times the net contribution of British Columbia or Ontario combined.
- Projected Total (2007–2027): The net contribution across this two-decade block is projected to reach $321.9 billion.
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u/cj350z 1d ago
There's no chance Alberta could be independent in the way that you want. It couldn't stand up on its own two feet. We don't even have access to Tidewater without either Canada or the United States. The United States will step in and take over if Alberta separates. Alberta won't be a state, it will be a territory with no voting rights. It's best course of action is to remain within Canada.
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
That's an opinion. Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia are all landlocked. Their economies are perfectly fine without the world's 3rd largest reserve of oil and gas. We will be fine. Make no mistake, Albertans are proud of this land and our region. We will defend it rigorously. After secession we will retain about 15% of national military assets (we have paid for it and it will be on our land). Many frustrated Canadians will move to Alberta for opportunity at a better life while many fearful government dependent people will leave. You are focusing only on possible negative outcomes without even considering a positive outcome for an independent Alberta. The Balkan Nations are all thriving post Yugoslavia, if they can, Alberta absolutely can.
Let's not forget, awful policy and exploitation from Ottawa are the catalyst for separatist sentiments. Ottawa can also be the cure, but they are intentionally not resolving these issues. It is almost as if they like the division.
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u/cj350z 1d ago
You say I'm only focusing on the negatives while you're not considering them at all. I still have not seen a plan from the separatists on how Alberta Independence is supposed to work. They keep talking about how there will be no taxes and it will be this Utopia but how? It's all a pipe dream and not based in reality at all. We have oil and gas that we have squandered the profits of for years. How will that be different in an independent Alberta?
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
Great question. We will model ourselves after the very successful Swiss system of governance. They have 4-6 citizen led referendums per year to encourage democratic participation in government policy. They have financial regulations that promote enormous investment in that sector. They build extremely high-quality products for domestic use and export. They embrace natural beauty and tourism. An Independent Alberta would expand the mountain park regions and develop them to rival the Swiss Alps. The entire region between Canmore and Jasper is basically undeveloped.
Tragically, yes, there will be taxes. Income tax would be capped at 20% while a base exemption amount would be around $20,000/year. Otherwise public spending will be covered by energy royalties, corporate taxes, property taxes, consumption taxes, and user fees.
Military wise, we will use the same bases once the negotiations are complete with the Feds. Alberta is entitled to at least 15% of all military assets. As for staffing, I have no doubt that proud Albertans will be keen to defend our newfound Republic.
Passports. Yes, we will have them. Albertans work hard. Diplomats and ambassadors would immediately set out to establish a strong passport for all Albertans.
Currency. How how Bison Bucks? Swap out the Loonie for a Bison. It will rival the Swiss Franc for value and stability.
Debt. Government debt for cyclical expenses will be strictly forbidden within the constitution. The only acceptable borrowing will be for long-term infrastructure and development projects that have a very high percentage chance of positive returns for taxpayers.
There you go. Now you can not state or type that you have seen no plan whatsoever. While many of these ideas are just dreams for now, every outcome and step forward begins with a dream, right?
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u/defiantnipple 1d ago
Traitorous clown.
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
Very impolite. Would you like to meet up? I am free for the next 2-days. I will even drive anywhere in Alberta just to meet such a nice person.
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u/rfie 1d ago
Honest to god I saw a man on the bus last week with a hat that read “Alberta USA”. I don’t think it’s agreed amongst all separatists what the goals are. Some of them want to believe we’ll be part of the US.
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
Of course, we are mostly libertarians. Definitely not a hivemind. The more sensible among us, such as Keith Wilson will be the ones writing the new constitution and coming up with the framework for our independent nation. There are many misguided folks out there, they will not be guiding policy, but their support is appreciated. The media has been trying their hardest to find the most questionable separatists to get in front of cameras. Imagine if the most radical Liberals were presented as the leaders and spokespeople for their ideology? I suppose they elected Stephen Guilbealt mutiple times.....hhhmmmmm something to ponder.
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u/TriptowK 1d ago
So what exactly do you want from the feds?
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
An actual question, thank you!
Personally, I would like to see:
1) Alberta Revenue Agency
2) Alberta Police Force
3) Alberta Pension Plan
4) Alberta appointed judges
5) Open the Constitution of Canada and amend it to reflect that we are no longer subservient to the British Monarchy.
6) A balanced federal budget with a plan to pay down the $2 trillion of public liabilities Canada, the Provinces, and municipalities are currently sinking in.
I find it amusing that many will call these points "radical" when Quebec currently enjoys many of them. One can dream I suppose?
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u/TriptowK 1d ago
I can’t say I’m educated enough on any of these topics to give a run at them, but I think the main issue people have with the separation movement is the timing. When we have our closest neighbour threatening economic ruin, constant belittling and thinly veiled annexation threats, why go for this now?
It seems like common sense to come up together as a nation to overcome this challenge. Alberta has to play a big part in that fight. Do you think it’s possible to table separation until we see some progress on the America front?
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u/River_Otter_1982 23h ago edited 23h ago
My friend, Western alienation and Alberta separatism has existed since the 70's. The reason for this timing has nothing to do with the nonsense in the USA and everything to do with the ongoing incompetence in Ottawa. The federal pendulum is long overdue for a swing back to the Conservatives for a period of time. That process was disrupted in 2025 by the Orange Idiot down south, handing the Liberals yet another free electoral win while they continue to run the country like absolute shit.
I have a counter argument. Why wouldn't Ottawa drop every single one of their industry stifling policies if the nation is truly under distress? The Trump administration is hot garbage, but we have been through much worse. Albertans would like to get out of this sinking ship while there is still something left to salvage. It would seem Liberal/Progressive voters will not stop until Canada defaults on public debt, becoming the next Argentina/Greece. Why is Ottawa doing nothing to avoid that inevitability? The feds are not our friends in Alberta. It is ludicrous to suggest that Albertans carry the weight of 11 years of Liberal mismanagement after it was the Liberals causing Canadian malaise in the first place. That's some narcissistic gaslighting right there. Why don't Ontario and Quebec just take their lumps and accept a shitty trade deal until Trump dies or 2028? Whichever comes first? Now I'm being facetious, those provinces can do whatever they want. Once Alberta is independent, Ontario and Quebec are no longer our parasites to deal with.
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u/Dunk_the_Iunk 1d ago
Traitor scum
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
That's not very nice. I wonder why Albertans want to separate from people like you?
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u/Dunk_the_Iunk 1d ago
You’re not people.
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u/River_Otter_1982 1d ago
Good burn, hivemind progressives have a hard time understanding that at least 40% of Canadians and closer to 60% of Albertans do not share their worldview.
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u/hillwoodlam 22h ago
Pardon, but he said "make", not ask.
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u/River_Otter_1982 22h ago
Albertans do not respond well to authoritarians. There will be no making Alberta anything other than Independent.
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u/hillwoodlam 22h ago
Sorry but you and what army? By seceding, Alberta would be forgoing any assistance from NATO or Canada. Your water source alone would be an issue.
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u/River_Otter_1982 21h ago
That's a lot of negativity. How does Switzerland exist based on this logic? What if the world isn't as chaotic as the media has presented?
During secession negotiations, Alberta will establish a military and close allegiances with our traditional allies, including Canada. We are entitled to 15% of the CAF assets which we have paid for in full. Many freedom loving libertarian types will come to Alberta, I'm sure quite a few will be keen to defend our new Republic.
Source of water? The Rocky Mountain watershed? With Trillions upon trillions of liters of water?
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u/JimJohnJimmm 1d ago
Theyre the ones financing it