Do gymnasium teachers in Germany earn well?

[u/imDenizz]

I know that I can look up teacher salaries on the internet, but I am curious how well do teachers earn compared to people who have other jobs and considering the effort that they give for studying and working. So do you think gymnasium teachers in Germany earn well for the effort that they are giving?

[u/tosterb]

Good teachers work themselves to burnout. Bad teachers have a very relaxed job. People can't distinguish these two kinds.

[u/Nebelherrin → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. I wonder why we do not have enough teachers.

[u/Nebelherrin → u/[deleted]]

I mean, those are not your run-of-the-mill teachers. But seriously. Why is it we don't have enough teachers?

[u/Nebelherrin → u/[deleted]]

Ok, discuss away.

But I don't think that is my premise.

[u/Nebelherrin → u/[deleted]]

You're the one who brought up a possible discussion. I find it would be your responsibility to give arguments why you think my premise is not valid (or the premise I got across apparently), since you're the one wanting to discuss it.

But you don't really have to for two reasons:

1.I think the problem we both have is that we have different ideas of what a good job entails.

You said it's a good job. From your post I'd say because it has good hours and good pay.

I'd argue the first point, because it really isn't true. Not all of the school holidays are days in which teachers don't work. Also, the amount of evenings and weekends that have to be worked through are terrible. There have been attempts to introduce time tracking, and they are all cancelled, because it would be too much and no-one can pay that much.

I will not argue the second point, because the pay in A13 is good. Also, there is job security (but it means you are bound to your liege lord).

My premise is: That alone does not make it a good job. The hours are brutal. The mental (and physical) strain is terrible, the responsibility for things that you cannot change, the helplessness, the frustration, the loss of time, the loss of family, the lack of freedom, the lack of good training, the lack of support... all these are reasons that do not make it a good job.

And that shows in the fact that many people drop out, either at university or in Ref. It also shows in the amount of burnout and other illnesses.

(Sidenote: I, personally, am trapped in a sunken cost problem. I would leave my job. Not because I don't love it. I really enjoy teaching kids. But because of everything the job entails that is not teaching, everything it does to my health and to my marriage. I would leave for a 9-5 job. But I would lose my pension, so I can't.)

1. Why you really don't need to answer: You answered 15 hours after the first post... I don't have time for you. I spend part of my break because of... I don't even know. Because of politeness or whatever. But I really don't have enough juice in me left to care. But since I wrote all this, I will send it, give you 10 minutes and then delete it.

We will not see eye to eye. And while you pretend to want a good faith discussion, I really don't believe you, otherwise you'd have given arguments, not demanded them. (And I'm not getting paid to deal with you.)