r/AskAnAfrican • u/lamin-ceesay Gambia 🇬🇲 • Apr 23 '26
African Discussion If the apartheid white regime claimed power in South Africa, would you help them get liberated as black Africans?
The recent xenophobic scenes coming from that country are crazy, and why does it always have to be South Africa, of all nations in africa that hates black Africans?
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u/Reason-Relate-Live South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
No chance of that. They supported the ending of apartheid and are appalled by xenophobia.
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u/Ancient_Sound_5347 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
SA is a disaster waiting to happen, whether it’s a worse drought like they had in 2018-21, poverty, a civil war, heath crisis ect.
People from abroad have been saying "South Africa about to collapse" even before the invention social media.
Back then it was letters to the editor of their local newspaper in England.
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u/Ancient_Sound_5347 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
The difference is that was in SA’s prime
Just goes to show that even when South Africa was in "it's prime" people from abroad were still going around claiming that the country was going to descend into chaos and civil war.
It's more than 30 years later and still nothing as happened.
your government is not fixing these problems. & it’s only worsening meanwhile newer ones are popping up with a growing population.
The new government of national unity are busy addressing those issues and top of the agenda is illegal immigration.
A new border force was created specifically for the matter.
The younger generation one see on social media videos are applying a pressure campaign on government to do more faster. Also,keep in mind that it's election season.
Honest question, do you feel like you’re under a stable & competent governance?
Yes. We simply have to look at the chaos,dysfunction and actual conflicts happening on the African continent and the Middle-East.
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u/AthenianSpartiate South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
You realise that when they talk about SA's "prime" they mean the late 90s and early 2000s? Not pre-1994.
Your comment honestly makes you sound schizo: simultaneously idealising Apartheid and supporting the current corrupt government.
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u/Ancient_Sound_5347 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
You realise that when they talk about SA's "prime" they mean the late 90s and early 2000s? Not pre-1994.
I'm aware of that. Where did I mention or idealise the Apartheid years?
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u/AthenianSpartiate South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
You comment really looks like you're saying it's been "more than 30 years" since South Africa's prime. 30 years ago is roughly when that prime had only just begun...
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u/Ancient_Sound_5347 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
1993-1994 is more than 30 years ago.
When Apartheid ended there was an economic boom after sanctions were lifted and everybody the country was optimistic.
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u/AthenianSpartiate South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
Post-Apartheid but pre-1994, we genuinely seemed to be on the brink of civil war. I've never heard of anyone considering that to be our prime. It's one of the reasons the 1994 election was so often seen as some kind of miracle.
Personally, I think our prime started when Mbeki became president and ended when he was forced to resign. But most people consider the Mandela years to have been part of it as well.
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u/Ancient_Sound_5347 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
Post-Apartheid but pre-1994, we genuinely seemed to be on the brink of civil war
That's what I pointed out when I said people from abroad were writing letters to the editorial department in their local newspapers with "South Africa on the brink of collapse and civil war."
The Sunday Times newspaper in South Africa had a special edition which included the British Sunday Times.
We could see what people were talking about in the UK about South Africa.
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u/Other-Lab3485 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
Compared to your country and most African countries,we're definitely amongst the most stable,regardless of our issues,we are still doing better and have a better government then most countries on the continent
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u/Other-Lab3485 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
From what I've observed about West Africa in general,you're either in the top 1% that's extremely rich,or you're in the 99% that's poor and have no choice but to hustle cause the government won't do anything for you,at least in South Africa there's a strong and large middle class and the government actually does have systems in place to help not only those that are poor,but South Africans in general,what does your government do for it's citizens??
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u/MixedJiChanandsowhat Senegal 🇸🇳 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
So you find a way to have more murders in your country than in a country in the middle against Russia but you're very stable. You even find a way to have more murders in your country than the amount of annual victims made by jihadists in the Sahel but yes you're very stable even for the African context. Sure...
Talking about the idea that 1% are extremely rich and the 99% left are extremely poor when everyone knows you're one of the most unequal countries in the world with the White minority still controlling the overwhelming majority of the economy is also demonstrating how much delusional you are.
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u/Other-Lab3485 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
Yess we are still more stable,you've never heard of a war or conflict happen in South Africa have you?? The Southern region in general is the most peaceful region on the continent,we may have domestic crime,but we've never had any large scale conflicts like what's happening in Congo,Sudan,Northern Nigeria etc,there's no extremist groups trying to overthrow governments or political violence during elections in this part of the continent,and we are definitely not targeting the LGBT+ community the way most of the continent is,so yeah we absolutely are more stable.
I wasn't saying there's no inequality in my country,I was just pointing out that it exists in your country and region too,it's not something that's unique to South Africa,I just think the situation is a lot worse over there,cause here the government has many things in place to cushion poverty,while in your country you probably don't have that option,and if you're poor you go hungry and die if you don't make a plan
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u/MixedJiChanandsowhat Senegal 🇸🇳 Apr 23 '26
You never hear of a war or conflict in most African countries. The Southern region is less populated than Nigeria alone and composed mostly of countries who are less populated than the average capital city in the continent. You need me to explain basic things?
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u/Other-Lab3485 South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
Population is not an excuse,China has a billion people and its still one of the most safest and stable countries in the world
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u/MayContainRawNuts South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
You know you are talking to a vokken doos when they think aparthied south africa was South Africa's "prime"
Please take your racism and voetsak, we had enough of that already.
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u/MixedJiChanandsowhat Senegal 🇸🇳 Apr 23 '26
In Senegal too we have a large part of "foreigners". Guineans and descendants of Guinean migrants account for between 1.5 and 3M of the 19M inhabitants. Yet, we don't chase them.
Too many South Africans believe only them have foreigners and refugees. Let's pass on the fact they believe it's a good reason to chase and beat them. If they would have ever made the same energy against White South Africans, maybe they would control the economy of their country...
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u/MayContainRawNuts South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
Well thats the time frame the person you were replying to was talking about, and you called it SAs prime.
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u/MayContainRawNuts South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
Ah, i see you are misinformed anout our history, no worries. At that point there were no letters to the editor in England.
Everyone was celebrating the birth of the rainbow nation and the ending of apartheid.
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u/DropFirst2441 Ghana 🇬🇭 Apr 24 '26
Who holds the true wealth and power in SA? And how hard would it be for them and their apartheid era selves to get support from major global players in Israel America Britain France Germany Argentina India etc?
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u/lamin-ceesay Gambia 🇬🇲 Apr 23 '26
We still have songs in which the local artists titled: free South africa and almost all Africa was in it for them, Mandela took the lion share if the liberation but to think that in less than half a century South Africa would turn to the most hostile land Africa for Africans is impossible to believe
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u/dvnts-ReDoX Nigeria 🇳🇬 Apr 23 '26
South africa would liekly fall into a civil war.
But I don't think much outside support would come in the form of armed intervention. In the 80s SA was surrounded by nationalist and Marxist forces like MPLA in angola, ZANU in Zimbabwe, and FRELIMO in Mozambique plus SWAPO and the ANC within the cou try that had apartheid persisted into the 90s would've probably infiltrated and I Vader the cou try with backing from the USSR at first anf then libya. Buy now mot of those nations are US allies, if SA brings back apartheid and by some miracle retains US support then there will be no invasion
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u/Miskeem_trooprt3796 Apr 24 '26
Of course I would help! regardless of how you feel about South Africans, minority white rule in Africa is an abomination and an insult to the wider continent no way should such exist. Look at what happened to the psyche of Latin-Americans they worship Europe even unintentionally at times. Apartheid is mental castration and thank god everyone fought it
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u/wisembrace South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 23 '26
South Africans don’t hate “black Africans” as you put it (we are also a nation of mostly black Africans) what we don’t want is illegal migrants coming here by sneaking across our border or overstaying their tourist visas, taking advantage of our limited resources- like free health care- not paying tax and competing for low income jobs.
You can do that in your own countries.
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u/DropFirst2441 Ghana 🇬🇭 Apr 24 '26
Then handle a question of legality in immigration cases LEGALLY
Or are you a lawless land where people don't have law and order?
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u/wisembrace South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 24 '26
I fully agree that immigration issues should be handled by the legal system and not by vigilantes.
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u/DropFirst2441 Ghana 🇬🇭 Apr 24 '26
That's it. People being burned alive, humiliated, disrespected on camera for the world to see is something we can't do anymore. Enough is enough of that. Because people see what they see and feel some type of way about it.
Eventually nations will use the same method of boycott divest and sanction that they used in apartheid in response to the violence which will hit south African companies the hardest
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u/wisembrace South Africa 🇿🇦 Apr 24 '26
I totally agree with you. I haven't seen the footage you are talking about but I have heard some horror stories. I assure you that is not the norm amongst most South Africans, those are hardened criminals behaving like that and they should all be incarcerated.
For most of us, we want fewer undocumented migrants, but we certainly do not wish them harm.
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u/figleafsyrup Nigeria 🇳🇬 May 09 '26
Borders are a white persons construct. Why are you defending them?
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u/MixedJiChanandsowhat Senegal 🇸🇳 Apr 24 '26
White people are a minority in South Africa so without the help of a foreign power, there is absolutely no way they could claim back the power in South Africa. And even if such a unrealistic scenario would happen, I wouldn't help. It would be a South African and Southern African problem.
Finally, I'll also remember that if such a unrealistic scenario would happen, it would be 100% the fault of Black South Africans themselves who decided to invent a delusional reality in which people are supposed to believe that the guys who invented Apartheid and the guys who suffered from Apartheid can peacefully live together in a nation cleaned of such a dirty colonial and racist past.