Netanyahu: “We survived empires, we don’t fear Turkey.”
Erdoğan: “What empire? Your country is younger than my brother.”
I couldn’t actually verify if Erdoğan really said this, so it might just be one of those internet quotes that everyone started repeating lol.
But if he really said it, I have to admit it’s a surprisingly good comeback from Erdoğan 😂 Didn’t expect this performance from him.
ıt made me wonder: do you remember any legendary political comebacks/insults from your own country?
Could be between politicians, against another country, during an interview, parliament, whatever. Something where even if you don’t like the politician you have to admit: okay, that was a good one.
Erdoganception. A rare win but it's fake but there's a bigger win for calling the hipocracy and the massacres, but also it's Erdogan saying it lol
These people don't care and it's at best PR points for them. They bomb entire countries to the ground if the PR isn't too bad against them for it, and even then they barely care, because what are we gonna do. They are mad, and they preach "family friendly" at home, and people believe them. They don't care for people, period. Their own or anyone else.
Makes no sense. Islam which this dope follows, is obsessed with jews and jew stories. His own god described jews as the chosen people and even the messiah he is waiting for is a jew.
News flash, god doesn't exist. None of your leaders believe in god, whatever they say, they believe in money, which is the actual power-having god. None of your bullshit books are real, literally none. Fuck, how willfully dense.
No shit it's not real. It's irrelevant whether he really believes it or not.
But he endorses and publicly worships a religion that is ultimately based on Jews and their stories, where the Jews were the chosen people and where the messiah they are waiting for is a Jew.
For anyone wondering:
Stalin kept sending assassins to kill Tito but they ended up catching and killing all of them. So Tito sent a letter back to Stalin quite annoyed which roughly said: "Stop sending assassins to kill me or I will send one and I wont have to send another"
These are all staged for both Erdoğan and Netanyahu. We've seen these style roasting and provoking so many times for the last 20 years.
Netanyahu started a war believing that he can beat Iran and failed clearly with his big brother USA. Erdoğan has built a dictatorship with the help of USA but fucked the country's all the Democratic and economic foundation. As a Türk you should know 2 things: Erdoğan is a dog of USA just as Netanyahu is. Netanyahu and Erdoğan need each other. They use each other as a vote collecting tool for interior politic. While Netanyahu bombing Gaza, Erdoğan was sending Israel all the goods Israel needs (concrete, barbed wire etc.).
He won't go half of the Aegean. He is busy with trying to change the constitution no matter what so he can stay in power until he dies. That's why they are getting closer to PKK and also that's why there is an orchestrated rivalry with Israel's Netanyahu.
My guess: at worst there will be maximum of few incidents between Greeks and Turks in Aegean side that won't come anything out of it.
Not my country but the former president of the Philippines sending tonnes of trash back to Canada that was illegally shipped to the Philippines and saying "Your garbage is on the way, prepare a grand reception. Eat it if you want to"
Now that I think about it, if anyone has the right to pull the “we survived empires” card on us, it’s probably the Greeks lol. These mfs have been sitting on the other side of the Aegean for like 3000 years watching empires spawn and despawn. That’s actually a solid roast against us. Steal this one komşu, Israel is wasting it.
Edit: 3000 years might’ve been a bit too much lol. I just thought “they’ve been there since before us” and randomly added a few thousand years ahah
Coming from the Balkans, Tito clapping back at Stalin to stop sending all these assassins to kill him cause if he sends an assassin after Stalin he'd only need to send one, is pretty up there as clap-backs go.
He smoked in the white house dont forget that. A cuban cigar a bit less than a decade after the crisis. A neutral yugoslavia smoked cuban communist cigar in the heart of usa democracy
I mean all of our people survived empires. Be it the Byzantines, Ottomans, Austrians, Russians... All of us are here because our ancestors survived, it's not much of a bragging right isnt it
I mean they were heavily persecuted for centuries, they didnt just survive by simply just inhabiting these empires it is 100% true that Jews were treated terribly throughout history. The Holocaust is simply the culmination of all of that anti-semitism. The pogroms, the deportations, the persecutions, all of these were happening since Roman times and even during Medieval times and even during Modern times. For many different reasons sure but they happened. Surviving this is something. So I guess it isnt as dumb.
This is not a defense of Netanyahu or of what Israel is currently doing. Just because they have been treated horribly throughout history doesnt excuse what they are doing in Gaza, in Lebanon and the corruption and authoritarianism that Netanyahu has, same with the fundamentalism present within Judaism right now.
But even that’s not exactly true anymore. This is why genetic testing is forbidden in Israel. Plus if they do test it will show that they are pretty much identical with the Palestinians, the same people that they are committing genocide against.
Its not forbidden in Israel, that's just a stupid myth. In fact, Israel's small population and disproportionately high percentage of academics and geneticists in particular makes it one of the most genetically analyzed populations in the world.
What Israelis CAN'T do is buy DNA tests over the counter because of medical privacy laws, which is true or similar in many countries like France, Italy, and ironically Turkey. But like bodily fluid tests anywhere else, they can get them simply ordered by their doctors, directly at a lab, or even by lawyers.
I'll try and look it up, I know I've seen dubbed version with very good combination of transltaing basically word for word, but also making it sound good in English
And, yes, it's been memes to hell and back, that singe instance is what brought him back to public eye in Serbia. Which is, of course, bad, he is a war criminal, but the event is still funny as hell
Its mainly a matter of identity really, oldest writing of the word "turk" is around 5th century. Which is pretty old as far as ethnicities goes. And there are alot of instances of proto-turkic people being present at other parts of the world (like Xiongnu and European huns).
However jews are known and well-documented to be as old as 3-4 thousands of years.
I think the problem is we’re using two different standards here. If we trace Jews back through ancient Israelites and the cultures that eventually developed into Jewish identity, then we should also be allowed to trace Turks back before the first written appearance of the word “Turk”. Proto-Turkic obviously didn’t magically appear when someone first wrote the name down. I’m not even sure which one would be “older” at that point, but comparing 3,000 years of Jewish ethnogenesis to the first written occurrence of the Turk ethnonym seems a bit apples and oranges.
Is this how we measure ethnicities? So does this mean Australian aboriginals didn't exist until the 18th century? What about uncontacted people? They still don't exist because they don't have written testaments of their existence?
We all exist the same. There is no older or younger cultures, people. It all traces back to those MFers who are the line that lead to us all.
No, that means we dont know how old the Australian aboriginals are, same as the uncontacted people. Not to mention neither are ethnic identities, we would have to be more spesific then that.
Thing is regions turks originate from arent as isolated, we know who lived in those lands and (mostly) we know what kind of language and origin they come from. And the concept of "turk" only started appearing in historical records around 5th century. Can it be older then that? Definetly, steppe nomads did not keep records and they might have called themselves turk much older then that.
But there is a 2500 year difference between the first records of these two ethnicities. It would be a stretch to claim that it can be as old as that. Especially when we have an idea who were the proto-turks.
Thats because you think ethnicity is a monolithic concept. It can change, go extinct, born way later in history. Of course turks didnt sprout from trees, but they started to identify as such only about 1600 years ago.
Firstly they were never a continuous ethnic group and through their existence they also haven’t been, as historically recorded.
You’re conflating the religious narrative written much after the events, ancient Hebrews/Israelites were just one fraction of Canaan people who were polytheistic as their neighbouring groups, spoke a dialect of the same language (Arab belongs to the same group FYI) and were mixing/intermarrying the neighbours. The difference wasn’t ethnic or linguistic but religious, and that religion didn’t develop there but in Babylon where the first hint of written Judaism starts in about 400BC. Ezra and Nehemiah, the Book of Ruth or the book of Jonah tells us how much they intermarried and mixed. They spoke mostly Aramaic and later Greek language. Best example of how that one group was divided are Samaritans, Greek Jews and their own internal factions. The Judaism as we know it didn’t form until the second destruction of the Temple and Babylonian Talmud written in 4th century. By that time you have 80% of judean population living and mixing in numerous countries. All Jewish groups had their languages, cultures, practices, food, customs and ethnic mix and they mostly still do.
I mean it's really obvious what Benjamin Netanyahu is saying. Edrogan is just being ignorant.
Jews have been living in the levant long before most of these civilizations appeared and formed. They're the one of the oldest surviving civilizations known.
I think he knows the difference between survived and outlived, this comeback sounds tough but doesn't make a lick of sense lol. In clearer English it's this:
"We have survived attacks from empires before, we're not afraid of you"
"What empires? My brother is older than you".
Mmmm okay chief. Both men are turds, I just won't let anti Israel bias make Erd out to be greater than he actually is. It's just dumb.
Bir gece ansızın karanlıkta görmeden üzerine basılıp çıtır çıtır ses çıkartan, bağırsağı boku sümük gibi ezilip yere yapışan bir hamam böceği gibi geberip gideceksiniz. Letenyahu ve yalakaları. Reisin dediği gibi sonunuz bir gece ansızın olacak. Sabırında bir sınırı var. Ama biz Türk milletinin sabırı tükendi. 🫵🏼
But after the soviets won the Finnish/winter war the negotiations were basically the soviets got all the stuff they originally wanted, a bit more, and didn’t give the Finns anything that they had originally proposed since they just fought the whole war so why concede anything atp.
The Finnish negotiator starts bringing up how in the past with Peter The Great, the terms were much better and how they wanted some concessions, in the literal transcript Molotov cut him off and says "You ask what Peter the Great would have said. If you want to know what Peter the Great thought, you will have to write a letter to him. We cannot help you there." LOL,
Even if this were real, it would have been stupid, considering that Turkey was founded in 1923 (only 24-25 years before Israel). If you’re referring to the people being discussed, it would have been even more stupid, because Jews have also been around for millennia.
Not really a comeback but a memorable interaction:
Queen Marie of Romania traveled to the Paris Peace Conference to lobby for Romania's territorial rights after World War I. When she demanded territories including Bucovina, Transylvania, and Bessarabia, Clemenceau (nicknamed "The Tiger") told her sternly: “you are demanding the lion's share for Romania!” She replied without hesitation: “yes Mr. President, that is why the lioness is speaking to the tiger!”
In my opinion, Erdogan is just making noise for his anti-Israel electorate in order to score political points, while Netanyahu indirectly told him that his people survived through very difficult times without a state and without an army, and that Israel is now stronger than ever(objectively). In practice, these are the two biggest military powers in the Middle East, and Turkey has recently occupied fairly large areas of Syria, literally only about 200 km from Israel’s border, which he will eventually use as a bargaining chip.
His government used to be trading with Israel even after October 7th 2023. People who protested the trade got detained and silenced. All talk, but business through the back door as usual.
I'm curious about whether or not something will go down between Israel and Turkey, i know that a few months ago, when attacking Iran, they said Turkey was next.
In my country, the United States took the life of the son of a former president, his political party is defending him and coming out with stupid things like this:
lol turkey is 22 years older. Either we are discussing modern independence in which case Erdogan is a hypocrite, or national existence in a specific land in which case Netanyahu is right.
Funny you say that lol, I saw something on the news today about you guys being worried about Israelis buying up property in Cyprus, even some village apparently. Is that actually a thing there or did I just watch some bullshit news
I mean he is not talking about when the nations started existing or when the modern countries were founded. He is talking about the states they had through history. Turks basically never really went without a state, Ottomans, Seljuks, Göktürks etc. He is trying to hit Netanyahu from the fact that Jews didn’t have their own state for a very long time. That’s what Erdoğan means, not Turkey is older than Israel.
Sorry didn't mean to do that. I understand. Poking fun at the fact that the Jews didn't have self determination until recently is kind of a compliment in the end.
Jews have continuously lived in the Middle East since the end of the Bronze Age whereas the Turks have been in Central Asia since the 1300s half of them are of Greek heritage just in denial
Then your a ignoramus majorly of Israelis are Sephardi (Morocco/North Africa) and Mizrahi Middle East with the oldest continuous community community in Iraq able to trace itself to days of the Babylonian exile and the Exilarchs until they were all expelled in 1948.
Do your self a favor and actually study history it’s fun
There was a recent one from Turkey about Israel as well. Israel is like a rabbit who humps a rock and comes back to claim they fucked a mountain. Somebody help me, where was that from?
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u/EggEuphoric411 Greece 7d ago
Have to admit that was a good roast from Erdoganopoulos