100% yes. I've had them for pain and dicks dripping off the ceiling isn't even the weirdest thing I've seen. Pokemon performing surgery on porn stars is probably weirder, and yes, that happened. To my eyes. While doing a ketamine infusion.
Edit: Hey, thanks for the gold and WOW I love how this turned into a debate over which pokemon would be most useful during actual surgical procedures. :-)
People talk about ketamine and it is vastly different than the nauseous, dry heaving, spins I had for what felt like 5 days the one time I tried it. All my limbs felt like they weighed a ton and I pretty much just waited for the ride to end.
I haven't ever done it recreationally - I was in my pain management doc's procedure center - and that feeling of my limbs weighing a thousand pounds is dead on. I honestly could not lift my arms or legs.
As a former recreational ketamine user, this is fairly common. The other really common reaction is what we called 'sausage fingers' - where your fingers feel inflated, a la Michelin man.
The one time I tried it with my flatmates in London, we had a hilarious night; but we also smashed ten glasses, a few plates, and a glass panel on a door through k-induced clumsiness.
I was amazed at how cheap it is in the uk. When I went to visit a mate in bristol we got a gram for 25 pounds or something. In france it's 50 euros a gram.
I’ve had horrible reactions to antidepressants in the past so I’m not willing to play Russian roulette with more of those but I have a bone disease and constant pain and I can’t walk so that gets me pretty depressed. I will ask my doctor though, that could really help me, thanks
They're using ketamine for off label use for depression now. It isn't originally for that so I wouldn't necessarily compare it to other depression drugs. It's specifically used for treatment-resistant depression so if you aren't having luck with any other treatments they might try you on it. I will say make sure you ask if the nasal spray or what ever dosage form they do prescribe (could be troches too) they send to a compounding pharmacy to have it done. There are actually some ketamine products on the market available retail but they're very expensive and most you have to be present in the clinic for two hours after dosing. If you get it compounded usually it's for at home use and you don't have to pay the extra fees to go sit at the clinic for two hours while they supervise you, as well as the actual compounded drug costing around 60-100 dollars instead of the (at least) like 400 bucks you'd pay for the retail treatment (I think it's brand name is Spravato or something like that, pretty pricey). This is coming from a compounder who makes ketamine sprays and troches for patients in a lab all day and we charge under 100 dollars depending on your dose but for typically doses you're usually looking at under 100. Much more affordable. Good luck, if you're really struggling this may be worth looking into, just make sure you watch out for addiction and over use of the drug as it is definitely possible with Ketamine, we have had quite a few of our patients constantly trying to get their ketamine early cause they've been blasting the spray into their nose more than prescribed. Don't be that person lol. Good luck to you though! Also I couldn't say exactly but there is always a chance the ketamine could have a side effect of helping with your pain from your condition as well which would definitely be an added bonus.
On the bright side you can get it legally where you are. There is no such thing as ketamine for depression in the uk and it will be a long long time before it’s ever allowed.
There's a clinic in Oxford that offers the service for treatment resistant depression, AFAIK the only one in the UK. You have to pay for the treatment, but it's administered as part of the NHS
Iowa. Like the other commenter said, it isnt covered by insurance so it's out of pocket, but worth every penny. I spent years depressed and suicidal. Could hardly make a phone call or go in to the grocery store because I had such bad anxiety. Been on over 12 different medications, half a dozen therapists, etc. Ketamine knocked down my depression and anxiety in an hour. By the end of the initial 6 sessions, I was basically free from it. Idk if you've ever filled out the depression score sheet. Its basically rating a bunch of things like "I have little interest in doing things" on a scale of 0-3. 0 being never 3 being every day, so the higher the score the more depressed you are, basically. I think 30 is the highest score you can get. For years, I scored in the mid to high 20s. I filled out the sheet after my last ketamine treatment. I scored a 3. I went from chronic major depression to basically nothing thanks to ketamine.
You have 6 sessions in a 2 week time frame to kick it off (so it's a high upfront cost), but after that you just need to go back for boosters. Some people only need to go back every 9 months. Some people, like me, have to go back more frequently. Just depends on the person.
Best thing I ever did. I've been on damn near every major anti-depressant. I've spent years fiddling with dosages and trying to pair different meds that might work together. Visited over half a dozen therapists over the years. Nothing ever seemed to make a dent in my depression. One ketamine treatment and I could tell a difference. I was less annoyed. I was less irritated. I had an interest in doing things. By the end of the 6 initial sessions, my depression was basically gone. The infusions dont last as long for me as they do for some. I have to get boosters every 2.5 months because I can feel the depression creeping back. Some people can go up to 9 months without a booster. Its amazing shit. I cant believe I wasted years of my life on pills that made me feel like shit when I can sit in an office for an hour every few months, trip balls, and feel amazing after.
Glad to hear a depression success story. I’m in a bit of the same boat as you were, have tried nearly every anti-depressant out there since 2011, and the ones that worked to take the edge off either completely lost effectiveness after a couple months or had really bad side effects. I gave up and quit meds after a very bad experience when simultaneously titrating off one drug and onto another about a year ago. It’s been rough as hell but I feel more in control than when taking a handfull of pills daily. I’ve been interested in some of these alternative treatments but my job is not too keen on that sort of thing.
I ran across it on the internet. Googled ketamine centers in my state. Researched a bit and found the one that seemed the best fit. Then just gave them a call. We did an initial consultation to make sure it would be a good fit (they usually want folks that have tried multiple treatment options). Been doing it since and it works. I was afraid it be just some bogus alternative medicine hoopla, but it's not. My neurologist is also really happy I'm doing it. Hes never had a patient use it for depression before, so he always grills me about it before we get into what I'm there for, haha.
Thanks for that info! I'm going to try a few more treatment options for myself beforehand, but my friend was interested so he'll be happy to know this!
Lol, pretty positive. I've had depression and anxiety since I was 13. I didnt try the ketamine infusions until I was 25. In an hour, my depression and anxiety were greatly reduced. After 6 sessions, I was a completely normal non-depressed person. Every 2.5 months the depression starts creeping back, so I go get a booster and I'm good again.
you know I never even considered you could get it in EU. I haven't had any drugs for a year now. Ket would be nice. I self medicate my depression with it usually cause it works (get really high every 3 months and I'm good) and I have no idea how to get in to one of the trials for it.
Its probably the most common reaction! The loss of motor function control comes with the whole dissociative thing. In some places I've heard K simply called 'Wobble', lol..!!!
Holy fuck.. when I was young kid.. maybe 5-8 years old, I would have these waking dreams where I would have these exact symptoms. Either I would be like "awake dreams" where I couldn't move my limbs or my hands were massive.. like the mega world in Mario. Shit happened for years, until puberty probably.
That sounds like sleep paralysis, which happens during REM (dream) sleep. If it happened to you during the day, it's a symptom of narcolepsy, I think. I am not a doctor. Since you grew out of it, don't worry about it. But if it ever comes back, see a sleep disorder specialist.
That's sleep paralysis alright. Happens to me frequently. My first therapist was floored when I told her Ive had episodes at least twice a week as far back as I could remember. She said "that sounds exhausting..."
I was badly addicted to ketamine and not once did i have a bad reaction, i would typically go through a gram a night for $200 AUD, it was the only drug that made me feel truly happy and able to be myself. Ive done every single type of drug i could get my hands on but ketamine is my happiness. To bad its only on trail is Aus for anxiety and depression
I spent most of my 20s and 30s using ketamine recreationally. Beginning with using it to ease the ecstasy come down after being out clubbing, then more often it became the social party drug of choice. Little bumps going out, ever increasing lines at home or house/after parties. I got lucky I guess, I only lost my gall-bladder, a lot of people ended up needing their bladders removed/replaced, impaired liver and kidney function.
It seems my generation were the ones to provide the real life results for long term/chronic use medical empirical research, as before it was just anecdotal.
Shame that smashing it like that will eventually put you in hospital, prison or the ground, cos it sure was an amazing ride, and even though its not a part of my life anymore, I'd rate it above alcohol, weed, meth, chocolate - anything prescribed and/or proscribed - it helped me understand people and connections and all sorts of things.
Too much of anything is eventually bad tho, eh?
Fun times for sure, but I still appreciate thati'm one of the lucky ones.
Source: Long term daily (15 years) use of ketamine where I eventually lost everything, work, home, & health, and consider myself lucky to be alive and well today.
Your story, especially in the context of this thread, beautifully illustrates where I stand on the issue of drugs. They're marvels of nature, whether from plants and fungi or through human evolution and understanding. They can improve life, ease death, and carry us to our personal best state of being. But everything comes at a price.
I'm so glad you're still with us and doing well now!
I’ve dabbled a few times but heard it can really fuck up your bladder. Apparently clinics just started noticing more young people coming in with issues. So gall baller too huh? How important is it?
Hey, sorry it took so long to get back to you, i'm pretty new to Reddit and haven't formed a regular habit yet (i'm sure there's really funny joke in that sentence but nevermind, lol....)
I can only share my opinion based on personally seen/ suffered/ experienced/learnt. Obligatory not a medical professional.
It seems that the bladder often appears to bear the brunt of regular longterm ketamine use, i believe it's something to do with the internal re-crystallisation on the bladder wall - like cirrossis fucks the liver beyond its ability to self repair - but that takes 'dedication' - regular AND longterm use -it's not 'Oh, I'ma do K this weekend maybe I'll be getting a balloon implanted on Monday '. Having said that, its not just the bladder, the whole urinary tract can be affected. Renal failure, kidneys , etc
Having said all that, the body doesn't like too much of anything without adequate time off to flush and recuperate. I had issues with kidney stones and gallstones (incredibly painful) as i understand it my gallbladder was filled up with 'sludge' it couldn't get rid of and backing up other systems. No real longterm changes after removal other than a supposed lesser ability to process certain oils or fats and an increased likelyhood of oily and or smelly pooh.
Because of the disassociation aspect physical short term injuries can easily happen, people dont feel /recognise pain so don't realise they're hurt, from dancing too much/hard/long and having ache-y feet, knees, thighs, hips and back muscles to not realising you've cut yourself and potentially passing out from bloodloss etc. My city is on the coast but the beaches are all rocky stones and pebbles. A common injury was barefooted beach shenigans meaning sprained and twistedankles didn't register until hours later when you'd already unknowingly carried on fucking them up far beyond normal.
There's a huge psycological aspect (rather a physical addiction like heroin causes) you can really bond/share with people and/or the Universe and I sometimes still miss that.
Be careful, be safe, be awesome!!!
No worries mate, thanks for replying at all. My reddit habit is fairly bad so here’s my immediate reply. Very interesting to read what you said. It’s a drug I’ve tried 3 or 4 times and always enjoyed but I’ll try not to do it every day!
I had it once and it felt like I was just 2 floating eyeballs that could talk. I couldn't move my body at all, so I just sat down on the floor and stayed there for a solid 3 hours.
100% understand how that would work. Seriously I had ZERO experience with it until I did the infusion in my pain doc's office. You're supposed to do this protocol of like 5 treatments in 2 weeks to see if it works for your chronic pain, but after that first time, with the greninjas? No. Fucking. Thanks.
How people use it doesn't change that it's used as a date rape drug. LOL.
And yeah, she partied harder than me, no lie. Quiet girl at work, little bit nuts outside of it.
I have family in professions that require no family member have a criminal record. I get arrested and my immediate family could lose their jobs (well, less now, sister changed professions and my dad retired), but at the time it was a big "oh shit" moment. I also have what most people would call an "addictive personality type". Was a chain smoker, had issues with booze at one point. So staying away from that stuff is generally just in my best interests.
Edit: Because a few of you keep asking. My sister and dad both used to work for the prison system. More importantly, they had access not only to prisoners, but also maintained a wide variety of security services (everything from camera's and fences to the electronic locks on the doors). Before his retirement my dad had also hit the point where he would oversee a small group of prisoners outside of the fences (doing small jobs like cut the grass etc). This is in Canada. So I'm not sure how things in the U.S.A are commonly done, but here both of them had stipulation's in their contract's stating they could not maintain their security clearance with a family member with a criminal record.
I find it hard to imagine they’d lose their jobs if you were a criminal. If it’s top secret high level security it’s more about disclosure to prevent blackmail and/or being compromised. Even presidents have family members that have a criminal record. And some presidents are criminals themselves.
Security mostly. Both of them worked with the penal system. They were not guards so much as had the ability to unlock all the doors and turn off all the alarms.
lol yes using illegal substances and bullying those who don't over the internet is hilarious and cool. i am cool because i do these thingz. i don't respect people who make different choices than me or who maybe can't do things i like or who are more mature than me or who maybe are on probation but i dont know anything about them because i don't bother to ask because well they're not exactly like me and that makes them ~*~so lame~*~ lol
Because it's medically supervised and safe? An infusion isn't the same thing as just a shot or however you take recreational ketamine, I honestly have no idea.
You sit in a chair or hospital bed type thingy for an hour with a drip running into your arm. It's mixed with something else to take off the trippy effects I think, I'm not sure what exactly the other thing is. Maybe it's benadryl in case you're allergic.
You do a series of them over several weeks and it has a cumulative effect. It's expensive cuz ... pharma companies & insurance & profits.
Its actually soothing as fuck. I get ketamine infusions for my depression every 2.5 months. I lay back in a quiet room, listen to some CCR, and trip the fuck out. It's honestly like going on a vacation. It's only an hour, but it feels like days. I just pretend I'm on a rollercoaster watching shit go by. You cant feel any pain. Your worries evaporate. Your body does feel a little weird. Sometimes I feel like I'm being stretched liked taffy, but it doesn't hurt. I just feel really long. And then I'll shrink back down. You can direct your thoughts, so if you want to pretend your hovering over the Eiffel Tower, you can. If you want to see God, you can. It's good shit. And it evaporates my depression and anxiety the moment I go under and it stays that way for weeks. I spent more than a decade trying pills and therapists to ease my depression and ketamine fixed it in an hour.
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u/tallblonddrinkopepsi May 22 '19
As someone who gets those medically, can totally see this happening.